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President's landing on carrier raises flap (Waxman Wants An Investigation...Again)
USA TODAY ^ | 5/08/03 | Richard Benedetto

Posted on 05/08/2003 1:55:19 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:40:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON

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1 posted on 05/08/2003 1:55:19 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Next time President Bush needs to ride out to the carrier on Shamu, Sea World's famous killer whale. That will send the animal rights activist to an early grave.


2 posted on 05/08/2003 1:56:39 AM PDT by Russell Scott (The answer is Jesus Christ, what's the question?)
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To: kattracks
Oh, shut up, Waxman.

Bush is a fighter pilot. Of course he wanted to fly again. Of course the best way for an aviator to show appreciate and respect is to fly his aircraft.

Four more words: John Glenn in space.

HEY HENRY: ALL YOUR FIGHTER JETS AND CARRIERS ARE BELONG TO US.
3 posted on 05/08/2003 2:04:16 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: kattracks
This article implies that Rush questioned Bush's flight? Is that true?
4 posted on 05/08/2003 2:04:56 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: Russell Scott
I hope the Dims make an issue of this, it's a sure loser for them.

Here's the results of a vote on the USA Today site:


Should President Bush have made a tailhook landing on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln?

72.17% Yes

27.83% No

6 posted on 05/08/2003 2:08:25 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
I'm thinking of getting that great picture of W in his flight suit painted on the hood of my car. Whaddya think? A little too much?
7 posted on 05/08/2003 2:10:58 AM PDT by sandpit
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To: kattracks
Their criticism may be designed to make it a bit more difficult for Republicans to make effective political use of the pictures.

The Dems have so damaged themselves and their credibility in mishandling this, even if the White House were to "make effective political use of the pictures," criticism will either have zero impact or backfire on the sour grape critics. Dems may not even want to get near this "issue" again.

8 posted on 05/08/2003 2:11:30 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: fightinJAG
I don't know that the article implies that Rush questioned it. It just says that questions arose about it on his show.
9 posted on 05/08/2003 2:13:30 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: sandpit
I guess it all depends on where you live :o)
10 posted on 05/08/2003 2:19:15 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
...cost taxpayers as much as $1 million in extra fuel costs, plus $100,000 in additional pay for the crew.

Well, compared to the Clinton trip to Africa, with an entourage of thousands (people not dollars) costing at least 40 times more than this little photo opp.

I think Mr. Waxman's time would be better spent finding a way to reduce the size of his nose.

11 posted on 05/08/2003 2:23:56 AM PDT by JZoback (Don't have such an open mind, your brain falls out)
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To: kattracks
The Wax Man would prefer a president who drops his pants in the Oval Office to a President who wears a flight suit on the deck of a carrier.
12 posted on 05/08/2003 2:28:55 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Never forget: CLINTON PARDONED TERRORISTS)
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To: kattracks
Where was Waxman when Hillary was commandeering government planes for her campaign trips to New York and elsewhere?
13 posted on 05/08/2003 2:28:58 AM PDT by monocle
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To: JohnHuang2
I agree, they're shooting themselves in the foot again.

Hard to believe that one party could be so wrong about so many things when it comes to the image they portray, LOL.

14 posted on 05/08/2003 2:31:38 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: monocle
>>Where was Waxman when...

Where was Waxman when a prefab-custom loo was shipped lock stock & barrel to China for Queen Hildabeast?
15 posted on 05/08/2003 2:32:25 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (404 tagline not found)
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To: sandpit
How about a Magnetic or Vinyl Bumper Sticker of Bush in his Flight Suit?


16 posted on 05/08/2003 2:33:20 AM PDT by Seeking the truth (I'm going on the FRN Cruise - How about you? - Details at www.Freerepublic.net)
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To: kattracks
Does anyone know if the Kennedy family paid for the funeral services of Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and her sister...their ashes were also scatterered from the USS Briscoe along with John Jr's after all three were killed in a private plane crash...I can understand John Jr, as he was family of a US President and retired Navy vet, but the two women?...how much extra did that cost us taxpayers?
17 posted on 05/08/2003 2:44:35 AM PDT by ~Vor~
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To: JZoback
Here's an article posted on another thread about this stupid call by Waxman. I've been sending all the Clinton abuses to Waxman's office with the question - ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD???

Lameduck President's Continuing Globetrotting Forays

Latest Trip Pegged at $50 Million -- Most Expensive Presidential Trip Ever

There he goes again. Our globe-trotting president was flying high this month, traveling to Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Oman, and Switzerland. That brings the total out-of-country days for President Clinton, the Traveler-in-Chief, to 212. He's racked up visits to 66 countries -- some more than once -- and 2 territories not recognized as countries. He is, by any measure, the most traveled U.S. president ever.

And just how much is this latest foray estimated to cost the American taxpayer? ABC News, apparently relying on unnamed Pentagon sources, has reported a price tag: a cool $50 million -- the "most expensive overseas trip ever taken by a president," as they put it during the March 23 broadcast of World News Tonight. And because the newscast did not fully identify the costs, it is unclear if this estimate includes only military costs - or even only Air Force costs.

Meanwhile, Air Force Times also pegged the cost at $50 million [3/27/00], implying this figure reflects Air Force costs alone. The article also identifies the numbers and types of aircraft dedicated to the trip: 14 C-17 Globemaster IIIs; 12 C-5 Galaxys, 3 C-141 Starlifters; and 2 C-130 Hercules. In addition, 7 KC-10 Extenders and 39 KC-135 Stratotankers were to deploy. The return mission was to require the same types and numbers of assets with some exceptions, but to include an additional 10 Galaxys and 3 more Stratotankers.

ABC News' John McWethy, while traveling with the President -- who was accompanied by daughter Chelsea and his mother-in-law -- on the recent trip to South Asia, reported that:

"Ninety percent of the costs [cited by the World News Tonight anchor at $50 million] are for airplanes, drawn from an Air Force that is already stressed meeting military and humanitarian commitments overseas. When a President travels, all the public ever sees is Air Force One, but consider this: Seventy-seven other Air Force planes are being used on this one trip, including 26 of the biggest transports, C-5s and C-17s" [Emphasis added].

And just how much of our Air Force's assets does this represent? McWethy continued, "Military sources say that represents more than one-third of the Air Force's entire inventory of these planes that are ready to fly on any given day." As an interesting comparison, the U.S. Air Force has used only about a dozen planes to execute the most recent humanitarian relief effort to Mozambique -- where millions of lives were at stake, according to the same newscast.

"The U.S. military sent 10 CH-53 helicopters to India and Pakistan to support President Clinton's ongoing road trip. The large helicopters flew from the Marine Corps base at Kanehoe Bay, Hawaii, to ferry Mr. Clinton, daughter Chelsea and other friends of Bill.

"The helos arrived via giant U.S. Air Force C-5 transport aircraft. In addition, the Marines dispatched about 100 troops for air crews and support."

It is unclear whether ABC's or Air Force Times' estimate included the costs of these helicopters flown in from Hawaii, which - according to the General Accounting Office (GAO), the official auditor for Congress - cost $3,658 per hour to operate.

Pentagon Typically Pays for Large Portion of President's Overseas Trips

Previous investigations into President Clinton's travel record have found that a significant share of the cost of overseas trips comes out of the Pentagon's budget -- which the Clinton/Gore Administration has underfunded year after year. For instance, last year the GAO found that President Clinton's three trips in 1998 to Chile, China, and Africa alone cost a total of $72 million -- of which $60.5 million, or 84 percent, came out of the U.S. defense budget. And these figures include only incremental costs to the government, expressly excluding such ongoing expenses as payroll.

But the price tag is only one factor. Equally important is that these trips also tax our already stressed military assets, consistently deployed on far-flung, non-traditional military missions by this administration. Again, looking back to last year, one newspaper reported the President's travels throughout Africa required the Air Force to cancel or refuse 26 air missions that it would have flown in its regular duties, and postpone 30 others [St. Louis Post Dispatch, 1/10/99]. For the President's most recent excursion, so much of the Air Force's fleet was dedicated to the President's entourage that the Air Mobility Command was forced to send out "regrets" to other officials requesting aircraft [Air Force Times, 3/27/00].

The Air Force reportedly was to dedicate about 460 flying missions to the recent South Asia trip [Air Force Times, 3/27/00]. Compare that to the President's very costly 12-day trip to Africa in 1998 when the military flew 214 missions, as documented by GAO.

Security Costs Are Over and Above Transportation and Logistical Costs

In its extensive review last year, the GAO expressly did not include costs related to assuring the President's security. Secret Service costs, for example, are classified. And, so likely such costs are not included in the estimate recently cited by ABC News and Air Force Times. But, clearly there are additional costs, especially when traveling to such countries as Pakistan. The logistics for the President's arrival in Islamabad, Pakistan alone are mind-boggling. The Washington Post [3/26/00] reported the extraordinary measures taken to ensure the President's safety:

"In Pakistan, the officially marked plane landed first and taxied to the welcoming spot in front of journalists, and, as cameras clicked and whirred, several men in suits got off. The first, a large man with thick gray hair, bore a resemblance to Clinton but was actually a Secret Service agent.

"Suddenly, the unmarked plane approached the airport -- from the opposite direction from which the marked plane had come -- and made a swift, low landing. Before Clinton disembarked, a large black limousine pulled between him and the platform of journalists."

This example is merely illustrative of the security measures required for this one stop on this trip, and is not meant to criticize the need to ensure the President's safety during overseas travels.

It's a Privilege, Not a Perk

No one disputes the need for the President of the United States, as the leader of the free world, to travel overseas. However, Clinton as the most traveled President ever, who is spending extraordinary sums of limited defense dollars in the process, appears to consider these events as one long road trip, rather than an executive privilege. Recall the White House's Joe Lockhart noting to the press corps last fall that Panama was among the few nations Clinton had not visited, but then cavalierly remarked, "There are a few places still left on the list he hasn't been, and we have 15 months to rectify that" [Federal News Service: White House briefing, 10/19/99]. Given his track record, we expect they will.

18 posted on 05/08/2003 2:45:40 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: sandpit
Looks pretty good to me. Paint it!
19 posted on 05/08/2003 2:51:53 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: fightinJAG
Thank you...thank you very much

for reminding us of John Glenn's rocket ride! (His reward for thwarting Senator Thompson's senate investigation of Clinton/Dole's Chinese funny money.

Waxman didn't mind a bit when Clinton took 1000 people with him on his Africa boondoggle. Or Clinton's 30 million dollar Chinese "vacation" to make people forget about Monica. Or The worldwide Air Force One Spring Breaks Hillary gave Chelsea.

But take a look at this:

http://www.freecongress.org/commentaries/2002/021205PW.asp

"....Recall, if you will, how Clinton's constant travels that took a big chunk out of the Pentagon's budget? Thanks to the work of the Senate Republican Policy Committee, the actual tab of Bill Clinton's globetrotting is not just buried away in government reports and microfilm boxes of old newspapers, and on tapes of old TV newscasts. It's all there in an easily readable form on the SRPC's website.

In March 2000, the President, with Chelsea and his mother-in-law, took a trip to Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Oman, and Switzerland. The SRPC noted that both ABC News' World News Tonight and the Air Force Times estimated the cost of the trip at $50 million, a record for the cost of an overseas trip by a president.

Used on the trip were 14 C-17 Globemaster IIIs, 12 C-5 Galaxys, 3 C-141 Starlifters, and 2 C-130 Hercules. A large number of other Air Force planes were to deploy.ABC News' John McWethy filed this report:

"Ninety percent of the costs [cited by the World New Tonight anchor at $50 million] are for airplanes, drawn from an Air Force that is already stressed meeting military and humanitarian commitments overseas. When a President travels, all the public ever sees is Air Force One, but consider this: Seventy-seven other Air Force planes are being used on this one trip, including 26 of the biggest transports, C-5s and C-17s." "Military sources say that represents more than one-third of the Air Force's entire inventory of these planes that are ready to fly on any given day."

When the President took trips in 1998 to Chile, China, and Africa, the tab came to $72 million. Over sixty million came from the defense budget. One could argue that Bill Clinton's trips were related to official business. But it appears that what he really wanted to do was to take his own taxpayer-funded Cook's World Tour at the expense of the Pentagon budget. Clinton press secretary Joe Lockhart said at a White House press briefing on October 19, 1999 that his boss had yet to visit Panama, then added: "There are a few places still left on the list he hasn't been, and we have 15 months to rectify that." If the defense budget was not so parched back then, then Bill Clinton's trips might not be an issue.

But people forget that we nearly ran out of smart bombs in Kosovo. The money that Bill Clinton took from the defense budget for his 1998 trips to Chile, China, and Africa could have purchased 3,000 smart bombs. ...."

Anybody hear Waxman squawking about Clinton's abuses of military resources?

20 posted on 05/08/2003 3:43:29 AM PDT by YaYa123
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