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Gun-Control Supporters Split Over Plan
Yahoo! News ^ | 5/7/03 | Mark Sherman - AP

Posted on 05/07/2003 4:32:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - People who want to keep assault weapons off the streets are divided over the best way to extend the ban on those guns, which is set to expire two months before the 2004 elections.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., on Thursday will introduce an extension of the assault weapons ban that she helped enact in 1994. The Bush administration has announced its support for continuing the prohibition on military-style assault weapons.

The issue promises to become mixed up with election-year politics, just as the original ban — passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by President Clinton (news - web sites) — helped fuel the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994.

Many gun-control advocates who are normally allied with Feinstein are backing a more sweeping measure that Democrats in the House also will introduce Thursday.

The bill by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., and Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich., is modeled on California law, which supporters of gun control point to as much more effective than the federal law on assault weapons in combating gun makers' efforts to evade the ban.

The difference is in the definition of an assault weapon. The current law and Feinstein's bill cast a narrower net than does the House Democrats' proposal.

Gun-rights groups said they will try to defeat both bills. "Empirical evidence shows this gun ban has had zero effect on reducing crime," said Andrew Arulanandam, spokesman for the National Rifle Association.

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On the Net:

National Rifle Association: http://www.nra.org

Violence Policy Center: http://www.vpc.org


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bang; guncontrol; splitoverplan; supporters
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1 posted on 05/07/2003 4:32:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Doesn't the AWB sunset, and then a whole new one has to be passed? I didn't think there could just be a continuation..Maybe I'm wrong on this...
2 posted on 05/07/2003 4:38:05 PM PDT by andrew1957
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To: NormsRevenge
As the sheeple walk in cadence over the cliff....
3 posted on 05/07/2003 4:42:47 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: NormsRevenge
From the dissenting opinion in Sylviera v Lockyer, 9th Circuit:

"Where the Constitution establishes a right of the people, no organ of the government, including the courts, can legitimately take that right away from the people. All of our rights, every one of them, may become impediments to the efficient functioning of our government and our society from time to time, but fortunately they are locked in by the Constitution against permanent loss because of temporary impediments. The courts should enforce our individual rights guaranteed by our Constitution, not erase them."

Dear Senatrix Feinswine: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Its too bad you don't like that, but until you muster the necessary votes to repeal the 2nd, you can simply kiss my a**.

4 posted on 05/07/2003 4:51:37 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Feinswine and al the reat of these criminal miscreants in the Us Senate better take heed:

"Constitutional interpretation cannot properly be based on whatever policy judgments we might make about the desirability of an armed populace, or the relevance of the Amendment's concern with citizen militias to modern times. Those who think the Second Amendment is a troublesome antique inappropriate to modern times can repeal it, as provided in Article V. That has been done before, as with legislative selection of Senators, and with Prohibition. There is a serious argument for its continued relevance, from those who think that the natural right to self defense, protected by the English Bill of Rights as well as the Second Amendment, is still important as a matter of policy."

5 posted on 05/07/2003 4:54:07 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: NormsRevenge
From Sylviera:

"Though general history, like legislative history, cannot be used to supplant the words of the law, it informs us of what social problem the writers of the law intended to address. The problem the Founders sought to avoid was a disarmed populace. At the margins, the Second Amendment can be read various ways in various cases, but there is no way this Amendment, designed to assure an armed population, can be read to allow government to disarm the population."

6 posted on 05/07/2003 4:55:44 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: NormsRevenge
There's a part here that the White House needs to read over again...
The issue promises to become mixed up with election-year politics, just as the original ban — passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by President Clinton — helped fuel the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994.
Signing on to an extension of the ban, the one that helped fuel the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994., could cause that same GOP to lose control in 2004.

Supporting gun control makes you lose elections. Opposing it makes you win.

7 posted on 05/07/2003 4:57:19 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed...

Senatick Dianne Feinswine is afraid of the doomsday provision.

8 posted on 05/07/2003 5:00:22 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: NormsRevenge
I'll make it simple.

THEY BOTH SUCK

9 posted on 05/07/2003 5:03:57 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I don't believe in the status quo. It kinda leaves me weak" - Nugent)
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To: NormsRevenge
The bill by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., and Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich., is modeled on California law

which effectively bans the AR 15 and criminalizes its possession.

I can tell you one thing, I may not be ready to take up arms in a major insurrection, but I sure as heck will never voluntarily surrender those arms to the likes of these SOB's.

10 posted on 05/07/2003 5:08:03 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The right of "the people" to "keep" & "bear" arms shall "NOT be infringed"
11 posted on 05/07/2003 5:11:01 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Dan from Michigan
This little piece of trash news blurb would make one think that its an either/or proposition - that one or the other of these bills is desirable. Both bills are unconstitutional - they represent "unreasonable" restrictions of a Constitutional right.
12 posted on 05/07/2003 5:11:18 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
which effectively bans the AR 15 and criminalizes its possession.

Considering that 1 million of these rifles have been sold since 1994 alone, the "domestic enemies of the Constitution" would likely encounter some problems.

One could even guess that it's likely that a few of those 1 million patriots might start voting from 300 yards away.

13 posted on 05/07/2003 5:11:27 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: andrew1957
yes
14 posted on 05/07/2003 5:13:18 PM PDT by snooker
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To: andrew1957
Doesn't the AWB sunset, and then a whole new one has to be passed?

Yep. It won't happen unless the Republicans sell us out again. It certainly won't be the first time.

15 posted on 05/07/2003 5:13:20 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
As the sheeple walk in cadence over the cliff....

An outright federal ban on semiautos would represent "the line" for a lot of folks.

16 posted on 05/07/2003 5:15:40 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: 45Auto
Nice to know you can carry a machine gun in Iraq so Iraqis can live in freedom... but if this passes you cant own a semi auto AR-15 to defend your own family.....back in the US ..back in the US ..back in the USA
17 posted on 05/07/2003 5:16:04 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Mulder
I will not abide by this damn law if its renewed. And I don't care who the hell knows it. Brian Puckett went on record in California as saying the same thing in a letter to the AG; as far as I know they never even paid him a visit. There's not one damn thing these bastards can do about the fact that people have AR's and assorted arms. Feinwine's fantasy of simply passing a ban and then expecting the sheep to quietly turn in arms, is just absurd. She and her cohorts are on the wrong side of history on this one; and time will prove me right..
18 posted on 05/07/2003 5:19:05 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
I will not abide by this damn law if its renewed.

You speak for millions of Patriots.

There is neither a legal nor a moral obligation to follow such an illegitmate edict.

Quite the contrary, it would be the duty of all Americans to disobey such an unconstitutional edict.

She and her cohorts are on the wrong side of history on this one; and time will prove me right..

Either way, the tryannical bastards will lose.

19 posted on 05/07/2003 5:22:47 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bush never promised to sign any expanded version of the AWB. I'd like to see the Democrats try to push the expanded one through, as soon as possible, so that any RINOs can be identified and nuked in the primaries.
20 posted on 05/07/2003 5:28:32 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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