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Cop takes 'midnight photos' of teacher's classroom
Times Argus ^ | David Delcore

Posted on 05/06/2003 9:35:22 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun

BARRE – John Mott and Tom Treece have at least one thing in common. Make that two.

Both men think they have been unfairly accused and, if you believe their critics, both have had a chilling impact on students at Spaulding High School.

Mott is the Barre Town police officer who admits he spent part of an early morning break last month photographing student projects in the classroom of a controversial history teacher.

Treece is that teacher. A passionate pacifist, he has been skewered publicly by critics who say he is pedaling his personal political views to the students in his class. Part of the proof, critics say, is in the photographs Mott took when he visited the high school April 9 while on duty, in uniform, and out of his jurisdiction.

The photographs were taken at around 1:30 a.m. after Mott, who once worked at Spaulding, persuaded a custodian to unlock the door to the classroom Treece shares with another teacher.

Mott isn’t apologizing for his actions and says he has at least temporarily refused orders from Barre Town Police Chief Michael Stevens and Town Manager Carl Rogers to supply school officials with copies of the photographs.

“I’m going to speak to an attorney first,” he said.

Mott disputes an account of the April 9 incident contained in a letter written by school Superintendent Dorothy Anderson to the police chief.

Specifically, Mott disputes Anderson’s claim that he “banged on the front door” of the high school to get the attention of night custodian Arnold Cliche, and that Cliche opened the door and let him in.

“It didn’t happen that way,” he said.

According to Mott, he entered the school through an unlocked maintenance door, found Cliche and asked him to unlock the door to Treece’s classroom room so he could take photographs with his personal camera. Although he was on duty at the time, Mott maintains that he was on a break and wanted to photograph student projects that offended him as an American and a retired military man.

“I wanted everybody else to see what was in that room. You can’t explain it,” he said.

Among the student projects that Mott said he photographed were a poster of the President Bush with duct tape over his mouth and a large papier-mâché combat boot with the American flag stuffed inside stepping on a doll. He said there also were pictures of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and his former chief lieutenant, Ernesto “Che” Guevara, posted on the walls.

“Having spent 30 years in uniform, I was insulted,” he said. “… I’m just taking a stand on what happens in that classroom as a resident and a voter and a taxpayer of this community.”

Mott said he took the photographs less than 48 hours after attending a school board meeting at which several residents complained about what they claimed was an attempt to “indoctrinate” not “educate” students.

School officials have rejected that notion, defending Treece as a “thought-provoking” teacher who provides students in his public issues class with resources from the full spectrum of political perspectives.

“As a teacher he (Treece) does present all sides of an issue,” Anderson said.

Anderson said she was concerned that Mott used his uniform to gain access to a locked classroom after hours without supervision.

“I find this behavior, at the very least, in violation of our policy for visitors at the school,” she wrote in her letter to the police chief. “I also find it disturbing that a police officer would wear his uniform under such circumstances thereby intimidating our employee (Cliche) into letting him in the building at a very unusual hour.”

Anderson said she met with the police chief and the town manager on Friday to discuss her concerns and to reiterate her request for copies of the photographs Mott took and has been circulating in the community. She said Mott had not yet complied with that request, which is based solely on her desire to confirm the photographs were not doctored in any way.

“We’re not embarrassed about what was in that classroom,” she said. “We just want to make sure that the pictures he (Mott) took are an accurate reflection of what the classroom looked like.”

Mott said the photographs he took are authentic and accused school officials of “tap-dancing” around an issue that was brought to their attention last month by using the circumstances under which he entered Treece’s classroom as a diversion.

“It leads me to believe they are out witch-hunting,” he said.

Treece said he knows the feeling. He says Mott and his other detractors don’t have a clue about what he does in his classroom, but that hasn’t stopped them from jumping to conclusions based on his personal political views.

“None of these parents know me in any way,” he said. “They just think they know me. Everything they know about me is hearsay. They don’t have kids in my class. They have taken lies and innuendoes and run with them.”

Treece does not hide his personal views and acknowledges his public criticisms of the war in Iraq and President Bush have irked many in the community. However, he said their contention that he is force-feeding his views to Spaulding students is simply wrong.

“I tell kids from day one: ‘I don’t want you to agree with me, I want you to be informed and think for yourselves,” he said. “I have never squashed dissent in my class in any way shape or form.”

Treece said his message to students is simple: “Defend what you believe and if you can’t defend it I’m going to pick holes in your argument no matter what side of the issue you’re on.”

Treece said he supplies his students with a broad range of resources and encourages them to use them to come to their own conclusions.

“My goal in that class is to get kids to think and be critical of everything they read and hear and see,” he said.

Treece said he’s tired of being painted as anti-American simply because he challenges students not to take what anyone – not the president, their parents, or even he – says at face value.

“I want them to understand that everybody’s got an agenda … everybody,” he said.

Treece said that goes for his detractors, some of whom are using the controversy over a six-word sentence – “All hail the idiot boy king” – that he posted on a bulletin board next to a picture of President Bush as a reason to reject the high school budget. The budget is scheduled for a re-vote next week.

“They’re out to get the budget and they’ve made me their whipping boy,” he said.

Treece makes no apologies for how he conducts his classes or for his own political views. In retrospect, he said, the comment he posted about Bush was probably too direct.

The board meets at 7 p.m. in the high school library. Like the Malones, both Mott and Treece said they plan to attend.

“I did not recognize how fragile people’s feelings were at the time,” he said. “It was horrible timing on my part.”

If he had it to do over again, Treece said he would spell out the same sentiments in two pages of text that wouldn’t have offended anyone.

Paul and Norma Malone, the local couple who first took issue with the comment Treece posted on the board, insist they’re not out to scuttle the budget, but want to restore balance in the curriculum at Spaulding.

“Our position has been and still is there should be a balance in that curriculum and respect in that school,” said Paul Malone.

Although the couple’s criticism is not limited to Treece, they admit his comment served as a springboard for their effort.

“It’s not an issue of freedom of speech. That was never the issue,” he said. “It’s an issue of balance and it’s an issue of professionalism.”

Based on discussions with faculty, parents and students, Norma Malone said students from a largely conservative community are being urged to view the world to through a liberal lens.

“There’s nothing from the center or from the right,” she said, rejecting Treece’s comments to the contrary.

The Malones, who have formed the group “Citizens Advocating Responsible Education,” say they plan to attend tonight’s school board meeting and present a copy of a petition signed by several hundred supporters. The petition states in part: “Students must be provided a thorough, factual, unbiased study of the history of our nation, the importance of our government institutions, and the significance of our political traditions so as to engender civic duty and respect for our national values.”

In order to accomplish that goal, the petition suggests revisions to the school’s policy regarding academic freedom and the appointment of community members to the school board’s curriculum committee.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Vermont
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To: Abundy
"not to take what anyone...their parents...says at face value."

A few years ago, A school counselor announced to my daughter's 3rd grade classroom that they do not have to do what their parents say. That they have a choice. Oh boy did that cause an uproar. She had to go back the next day and explain to the students that they do have to obey yada yada yada. GRRRR

321 posted on 05/06/2003 12:06:38 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: dirtboy
not the same. the file argument is a straw man, focus. There are three issues at least.

Tresspassing, negated by permission of janitor
Public Plain View, Items were on display in public in a classroom for viewing.
Plain View, if there is a window to plainly see the items.
Public debate: this was in fact school board related
Standing: whether as a citizen or an officer

If the officer was not in the performance of duties then they have no right to the pictures if the board was REALLY not petrified of being exposed they would have charge with tresspassing, They can't so they will not. (btw, you have to be given reasonable notice to egress. ie go away)

322 posted on 05/06/2003 12:07:54 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: MineralMan
don't be so quick to condem voters of school boards. Stealth candidates are a fact of life in these usually nonpartisan elections.
323 posted on 05/06/2003 12:09:19 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: MineralMan
The majority of people in the county we lived in were liberals..and of course, who is the target voting population?

The elderly, would sometimes vote..single folks didn't get out and vote. The majority of folks in the PTA were liberals. The conservatives were a minority and couldn't figure out how to reach people who had no ties to the district.. We decided to move to a conservative county and are far better off. It's a great relief!

324 posted on 05/06/2003 12:11:20 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: r9etb
no they don't and I would have fun running rings around anyone who would stay that in a courtroom.

anyways this is all in fun.
325 posted on 05/06/2003 12:11:31 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: dirtboy
It's scary how some folks on FR will condone means like this because they applaud the end. Yeesh...

10-4 on that. There are plenty of rational people here on FR. And there are plenty who are "right-wing nuts". The ends justifies the means, eh?

326 posted on 05/06/2003 12:12:40 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Trace21230
1) Mott was not a private citizen. He was a uniformed, on-duty police officer. (See above.)

He was out of his jurisdiction. As such he had no official standing as a police officer. He was also "on break," which is an admission by Mott that he was not engaged in official business. The only thing we agree upon is that he was in uniform -- and his actions while in uniform seem to indicate he used his uniform to abuse authority.

Lest you think I condone Mott's actions, please be assured that I do not. That being said, there is nothing ILLEGAL about what he did, in my opinion.

A quick survey of Vermont school policies indicates that school districts have the authority under 13 VSA 3705 to define trespassing.

But it's easier than that. Mott claims he entered the building without the janitor's consent -- which is trespassing according to 13 VSA 3705. And as my cite from the Barre City school district policies shows, Mott's reason for being in the building (taking pictures for personal reasons) was not among those activities for which the district allows after-hours access -- which again argues for trespass under 13 VSA 3705.

Given the published district policy, it was clearly not within the janitor's authority to allow Mott inside, nor to allow him to take pictures. Indeed, the whole janitor angle seems like an effort by both sides to avoid firing the guy who unlocked the door to the classroom.

327 posted on 05/06/2003 12:13:12 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"The majority of people in the county we lived in were liberals..and of course, who is the target voting population?

"

Then you have a problem, for sure. Since we do _elect_ school boards, the majority wins. That _is_ our system. If you want a change, you must convince the majority.

Or you can move, as you did.
328 posted on 05/06/2003 12:13:24 PM PDT by MineralMan
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To: Always Right
Then again it is a public school and people have an absolute right to know what is going on. Parents should have the right to sit in the classroom if they so desire. Teachers are employed by the people, not dictators.

Very true. And also irrelevant to Mott's actions.

329 posted on 05/06/2003 12:14:42 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: RonF
10-4 on that. There are plenty of irrational people here on FR. And there are plenty who are "left-wing nuts". The ends justifies the means, eh?


330 posted on 05/06/2003 12:15:50 PM PDT by f.Christian (( With Rights ... comes Responsibilities --- irresponsibility --- whacks // criminals - psychos ! ))
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To: f.Christian
"There are plenty of irrational people here on FR. And there are plenty who are "left-wing nuts". The ends justifies the means, eh?
"

And then there are people on FR who are just plain nuts.
331 posted on 05/06/2003 12:16:34 PM PDT by MineralMan
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To: Samurai_Jack
Unless the Officer is going to press formal charges with the evidence, I dont see a problem with this officer entering a public building.

He was outside his juristiction, misrepresenting his authority by wearing a police uniform and a gun, pounding on a door and demanding entry.

But this being public property the officer was within his duty to enter the property.

What are his duties outside his juristiction?

What are the duties of a law enforcement official to get involved in a situation where no law has been broken?

332 posted on 05/06/2003 12:16:45 PM PDT by RonF
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To: MineralMan
mineralnuts !
333 posted on 05/06/2003 12:18:19 PM PDT by f.Christian (( With Rights ... comes Responsibilities --- irresponsibility --- whacks // criminals - psychos ! ))
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To: grapeape
"An officer of the law can come in go as they deam fit in any school."

He was not an officer of the law at that school, it was out of his juristiction.
334 posted on 05/06/2003 12:21:43 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
He did not go in and take pictures in private businesses, unless a crime had been committed there. Then photos are often taken by officers.
Had he taken pictures while in a public school building - so what?
As far as "jurisdiction" goes... he was a county deputy, if he checked the locks in a school within a city's limits where the city police force has jurisdiction - so what?
335 posted on 05/06/2003 12:21:59 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: longtermmemmory
Tresspassing, negated by permission of janitor

The janitor acted outside his authority. Approved after-hours access is defined in school policies.

Public Plain View, Items were on display in public in a classroom for viewing.

The door to the classroom was locked.

Plain View, if there is a window to plainly see the items.

At 0130, the room would have been dark. And the officer did not look through the window in any case.

Public debate: this was in fact school board related

So are lots of things. But it doesn't justify trespass and abuse of authority.

Standing: whether as a citizen or an officer

No person -- citizen or officer -- has the right to trespass.

336 posted on 05/06/2003 12:23:08 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: longtermmemmory
no they don't and I would have fun running rings around anyone who would stay that in a courtroom.

The burden of proof would be on you to prove that Mott didn't violate 13 VSA 3705.

337 posted on 05/06/2003 12:24:11 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Lauratealeaf
After hearing what was on the wall of Treece's classroom I believe that he is teaching the students to be adversaries of our government and not to be good citizens. Pictures speak louder than words.

Yes, but you don't know how many pictures of what type were up on that wall. There could have been 20 pictures supporting the USA's current foreign policy, and 3 opposing it. If the pictures are of those 3 only, then a false picture is being painted.

338 posted on 05/06/2003 12:25:33 PM PDT by RonF
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To: spodefly
The teacher (sic) is using tactics right out of "Rules for Radacals," forcing the governtment to super-scrupulously uphold every law and regulation which favors the radicals, in order to advance their cause of destroying the government and the rule of law.
339 posted on 05/06/2003 12:28:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: RonF
"After hearing what was on the wall of Treece's classroom I believe that he is teaching the students to be adversaries of our government and not to be good citizens. Pictures speak louder than words.

Yes, but you don't know how many pictures of what type were up on that wall. There could have been 20 pictures supporting the USA's current foreign policy, and 3 opposing it. If the pictures are of those 3 only, then a false picture is being painted."

Yup. We have no idea about this, actually. We read about a couple of these student projects only. Presumably others were posted as well. What do you want to bet that Mott took pictures of only the ones that personally offended him?

As usual, we have part of a story, not the whole story. Odds are we won't know the whole story, since it's such a local thing.

Sounds like a teacher who teaches that defying authority is not necessarily a bad thing, but that one has to be able to support one's defiance. He's probably on the liberal side, but that teaching is the same as led us to our Declaration of Independence, which was quite a defiance of authority, if my history is right.

I'll bet there were a bunch of student projects that depicted the opposing view. I'd be amazed if there weren't.
340 posted on 05/06/2003 12:29:11 PM PDT by MineralMan
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