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Cop takes 'midnight photos' of teacher's classroom
Times Argus ^ | David Delcore

Posted on 05/06/2003 9:35:22 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun

BARRE – John Mott and Tom Treece have at least one thing in common. Make that two.

Both men think they have been unfairly accused and, if you believe their critics, both have had a chilling impact on students at Spaulding High School.

Mott is the Barre Town police officer who admits he spent part of an early morning break last month photographing student projects in the classroom of a controversial history teacher.

Treece is that teacher. A passionate pacifist, he has been skewered publicly by critics who say he is pedaling his personal political views to the students in his class. Part of the proof, critics say, is in the photographs Mott took when he visited the high school April 9 while on duty, in uniform, and out of his jurisdiction.

The photographs were taken at around 1:30 a.m. after Mott, who once worked at Spaulding, persuaded a custodian to unlock the door to the classroom Treece shares with another teacher.

Mott isn’t apologizing for his actions and says he has at least temporarily refused orders from Barre Town Police Chief Michael Stevens and Town Manager Carl Rogers to supply school officials with copies of the photographs.

“I’m going to speak to an attorney first,” he said.

Mott disputes an account of the April 9 incident contained in a letter written by school Superintendent Dorothy Anderson to the police chief.

Specifically, Mott disputes Anderson’s claim that he “banged on the front door” of the high school to get the attention of night custodian Arnold Cliche, and that Cliche opened the door and let him in.

“It didn’t happen that way,” he said.

According to Mott, he entered the school through an unlocked maintenance door, found Cliche and asked him to unlock the door to Treece’s classroom room so he could take photographs with his personal camera. Although he was on duty at the time, Mott maintains that he was on a break and wanted to photograph student projects that offended him as an American and a retired military man.

“I wanted everybody else to see what was in that room. You can’t explain it,” he said.

Among the student projects that Mott said he photographed were a poster of the President Bush with duct tape over his mouth and a large papier-mâché combat boot with the American flag stuffed inside stepping on a doll. He said there also were pictures of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and his former chief lieutenant, Ernesto “Che” Guevara, posted on the walls.

“Having spent 30 years in uniform, I was insulted,” he said. “… I’m just taking a stand on what happens in that classroom as a resident and a voter and a taxpayer of this community.”

Mott said he took the photographs less than 48 hours after attending a school board meeting at which several residents complained about what they claimed was an attempt to “indoctrinate” not “educate” students.

School officials have rejected that notion, defending Treece as a “thought-provoking” teacher who provides students in his public issues class with resources from the full spectrum of political perspectives.

“As a teacher he (Treece) does present all sides of an issue,” Anderson said.

Anderson said she was concerned that Mott used his uniform to gain access to a locked classroom after hours without supervision.

“I find this behavior, at the very least, in violation of our policy for visitors at the school,” she wrote in her letter to the police chief. “I also find it disturbing that a police officer would wear his uniform under such circumstances thereby intimidating our employee (Cliche) into letting him in the building at a very unusual hour.”

Anderson said she met with the police chief and the town manager on Friday to discuss her concerns and to reiterate her request for copies of the photographs Mott took and has been circulating in the community. She said Mott had not yet complied with that request, which is based solely on her desire to confirm the photographs were not doctored in any way.

“We’re not embarrassed about what was in that classroom,” she said. “We just want to make sure that the pictures he (Mott) took are an accurate reflection of what the classroom looked like.”

Mott said the photographs he took are authentic and accused school officials of “tap-dancing” around an issue that was brought to their attention last month by using the circumstances under which he entered Treece’s classroom as a diversion.

“It leads me to believe they are out witch-hunting,” he said.

Treece said he knows the feeling. He says Mott and his other detractors don’t have a clue about what he does in his classroom, but that hasn’t stopped them from jumping to conclusions based on his personal political views.

“None of these parents know me in any way,” he said. “They just think they know me. Everything they know about me is hearsay. They don’t have kids in my class. They have taken lies and innuendoes and run with them.”

Treece does not hide his personal views and acknowledges his public criticisms of the war in Iraq and President Bush have irked many in the community. However, he said their contention that he is force-feeding his views to Spaulding students is simply wrong.

“I tell kids from day one: ‘I don’t want you to agree with me, I want you to be informed and think for yourselves,” he said. “I have never squashed dissent in my class in any way shape or form.”

Treece said his message to students is simple: “Defend what you believe and if you can’t defend it I’m going to pick holes in your argument no matter what side of the issue you’re on.”

Treece said he supplies his students with a broad range of resources and encourages them to use them to come to their own conclusions.

“My goal in that class is to get kids to think and be critical of everything they read and hear and see,” he said.

Treece said he’s tired of being painted as anti-American simply because he challenges students not to take what anyone – not the president, their parents, or even he – says at face value.

“I want them to understand that everybody’s got an agenda … everybody,” he said.

Treece said that goes for his detractors, some of whom are using the controversy over a six-word sentence – “All hail the idiot boy king” – that he posted on a bulletin board next to a picture of President Bush as a reason to reject the high school budget. The budget is scheduled for a re-vote next week.

“They’re out to get the budget and they’ve made me their whipping boy,” he said.

Treece makes no apologies for how he conducts his classes or for his own political views. In retrospect, he said, the comment he posted about Bush was probably too direct.

The board meets at 7 p.m. in the high school library. Like the Malones, both Mott and Treece said they plan to attend.

“I did not recognize how fragile people’s feelings were at the time,” he said. “It was horrible timing on my part.”

If he had it to do over again, Treece said he would spell out the same sentiments in two pages of text that wouldn’t have offended anyone.

Paul and Norma Malone, the local couple who first took issue with the comment Treece posted on the board, insist they’re not out to scuttle the budget, but want to restore balance in the curriculum at Spaulding.

“Our position has been and still is there should be a balance in that curriculum and respect in that school,” said Paul Malone.

Although the couple’s criticism is not limited to Treece, they admit his comment served as a springboard for their effort.

“It’s not an issue of freedom of speech. That was never the issue,” he said. “It’s an issue of balance and it’s an issue of professionalism.”

Based on discussions with faculty, parents and students, Norma Malone said students from a largely conservative community are being urged to view the world to through a liberal lens.

“There’s nothing from the center or from the right,” she said, rejecting Treece’s comments to the contrary.

The Malones, who have formed the group “Citizens Advocating Responsible Education,” say they plan to attend tonight’s school board meeting and present a copy of a petition signed by several hundred supporters. The petition states in part: “Students must be provided a thorough, factual, unbiased study of the history of our nation, the importance of our government institutions, and the significance of our political traditions so as to engender civic duty and respect for our national values.”

In order to accomplish that goal, the petition suggests revisions to the school’s policy regarding academic freedom and the appointment of community members to the school board’s curriculum committee.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Vermont
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To: ValerieUSA
If he had spotted vandals in the building at the time and caught them and arrested them and prevented further damage, wuld you have a problem with that, too?

That is within his official sworn duties.

It wasn't wrong for him to be there. It wasn't wrong for him to take pictures.

That is NOT within his sworn duties. It's that simple.

It's amazing how people will engage in such convoluted reasoning to avoid such a simple conclusion.

181 posted on 05/06/2003 10:59:11 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: anniegetyourgun
“Defend what you believe and if you can’t defend it I’m going to pick holes in your argument no matter what side of the issue you’re on.”

Why is it that I am 100% sure he doesn't pick holes in the "progressive" argument?

182 posted on 05/06/2003 10:59:37 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
I'm unclear as to whether it was his uniform that allowed him entry. The article says he use to work there and he knew the custodian.

The custodian escorted him to the classroom. Does this make a difference?
183 posted on 05/06/2003 10:59:47 AM PDT by Calpernia (www.HelpFeedaChild.com)
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To: MineralMan
In My Opinion,

Unless the Officer is going to press formal charges with the evidence, I dont see a problem with this officer entering a public building. Since it is not private property there is no search and seizure problem. Even with taking the photographs it seems to me that public property makes it acceptable behavior. And furthermore the custodian LET HIM IN, which is defacto permission to search since the custodian has the authority to allow the search.

If this were a madrassa or some other private school, or a private home then that would be a different story, the constitution protects such property under the 4th Amendment (unless of course it falls under the probable cause of the new patriot act rules). But this being public property the officer was within his duty to enter the property. Whether or not the photos are admissable in court is questionable.

My suggestion to the good professor is that if he wishes to advocate his personal vendettas that he do so on his own time, and not on the time that he is being paid to educate these children. His job is to teach these children HOW to think... he is confused and is trying to teach them WHAT to think. If he doesnt want his nefarious activities exposed to the light then he ought to keep them at home where they belong and where they are constitutionally protected.

Now we wait for the Judicial fallout.
184 posted on 05/06/2003 11:00:06 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (Im just asking)
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To: ValerieUSA
If he had spotted vandals in the building at the time and caught them and arrested them and prevented further damage, wuld you have a problem with that, too?

I'd have a real problem with that, as would the courts: Mott was outside his jurisdiction, where he didn't belong during his on-duty hours.

185 posted on 05/06/2003 11:00:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: fml
I believe he payed taxes in the township, doesn' everyone have the right to be in the public school you pay for?

Nope. If you want to enter a public school legally as a non-student or non-teacher/administrator, you have to have a specific reason and you need to check in with the office first.

186 posted on 05/06/2003 11:00:20 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: dirtboy
Stopping at a deli for a sandwich, or picking up his spare uniform from the dry cleaners aren't part of his sworn duties either - but it isn't wrong for a cop in uniform to do these things.
187 posted on 05/06/2003 11:01:15 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: dirtboy
Or with the person in charge at the time of the visit - which he did.
188 posted on 05/06/2003 11:02:13 AM PDT by fml
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To: dirtboy
"Having a cop access a locked school room while on duty in pursuit of his own political agenda is NOT the proper way to attack this problem.
"

I'm afraid we're blowing against a whirlwind here. The concept of equal protection under the law, and limited power of the police seems to go out the window when the end result seems to work toward a conservative end.

I find this extraordinarily sad. It seems that folks are unable to extend what this cop did to a situation where the politics were reversed.

Had this been a conservative teacher and some liberal cop had come in and taken pictures, say of a pro-life exhibit on the wall to expose some political agenda, then everybody'd be all ticked off at the cop. But that isn't the case here. It's the reverse, so it's OK for the cop to be doing what he ought not do.

We either have a free society, where people may hold and express any views they wish, without interference by the police, or we do not. From what I'm reading, it appears that many believe we should not have a free society. These were _student_ projects, not things done by the teacher.

A free society does not prohibit unpopular opinions. Apparently some here do not want a free society.
189 posted on 05/06/2003 11:02:23 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
I bet this school board has an agreement with GLSEN and has "Gay/Straight" clubs to "not" recruit children.

The officer should get a medal.
190 posted on 05/06/2003 11:02:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: dirtboy
Communism murdered 100 million innocents in the last century, and this teacher teaches his students to adore communist icons (Fidel and Che).

What if he had posters of Hitler and Himmler on the wall, and the cop did the same thing. Any problem?

191 posted on 05/06/2003 11:03:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: fml
"I believe he payed taxes in the township, doesn' everyone have the right to be in the public school you pay for?"

Try it out. Tonight, about 2 AM, go down to the school and go in and look around. Take some pictures. See if you have the "right" to do that.
192 posted on 05/06/2003 11:03:31 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: MineralMan
Do take a logic class please. Do quit mis-quoting me please. Do stop adding hypothetical events please. You put this in your quote "enter buildings any time." Why did you do this? We have clearly been talking about PUBLIC buildings. you know this. I have put it in huge letters all over these threads. You then base an argument on that quote and not the stream of conversation. Stop that.

I loved your second paragraph. Where did this come from? Do you frequently just make up fantasy while talking to people? How am I supposed to answer this it has little relevance to the topic. I’m going back to cops taking pictures in a public classroom.

In fact……………… your office? Where did this come from? So, how about this. In the desk the teacher has a picture of her nice that was an extra in a the film something about Mary, who starred Cameron Dais who was in a film with Pennelopy Cruz. She starred with Tom Cruise several times and Tom was in A few good men with KEVIN BACON. Wow isn’t that neat. Back to the topic please.
193 posted on 05/06/2003 11:04:18 AM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Shelton)
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To: All
Well, I guess I'd better turn myself in.
Over the past 9 years I've gone to my local schools at all hours of the night and weekends, banged on the doors to get the janitor's attention, been let in, and retrieved some notebook or papers that my kid's forgot and needed for their homework.

During the day they have the whole 'sign in' nonsense going on, but after hours more reasonable rules have always applied. Our town is not that small and none of the janitors ever knew me by name. I certainly didn't need a badge or a uniform to get by them.

What stands out in this story for me is the 'official' attitude that a 'cop' by definitiion is an evil threatening figure that should not be anywhere near children.

While this is nonsense, given this loony town, if he would have gone there in the day there would have been a circus at the least and more probably a riot.
194 posted on 05/06/2003 11:04:25 AM PDT by parcel_of_rogues
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To: ValerieUSA
Stopping at a deli for a sandwich, or picking up his spare uniform from the dry cleaners aren't part of his sworn duties either - but it isn't wrong for a cop in uniform to do these things.

He doesn't use his badge the means to pick up his uniform or get a sandwich. If he were to use his badge to get a free or discounted sandwich that would not be available to the general public, that would be an abuse of his sworn powers and his ethical code.

Likewise, using his badge to gain access to a locked classroom that is off-limits to the general public without clearance from the school board is an abuse of power.

195 posted on 05/06/2003 11:04:31 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
What? Where did this come from?
196 posted on 05/06/2003 11:05:11 AM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Shelton)
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To: Calpernia
yes it makes him an invitee. It is even better if the custodian knew him. It makes the intimidation argument out the window.
197 posted on 05/06/2003 11:05:12 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: r9etb
"Warrants are immaterial in this case: Mott was trespassing."

Under what authority do you support your claim that a uniformed police officer is committing the crime of trespass when he goes onto the premises of a publicly owned building?

If you have some, please show your cards.

Since you don't, I won't hold my breath.

Trace
198 posted on 05/06/2003 11:05:14 AM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: fml
I believe he payed taxes in the township, doesn' everyone have the right to be in the public school you pay for?

No. No more than you have a right to trespass into any other taxpayer-funded facility, just because you feel like it. (Indeed, where I work, methods of restraint for trespassers include an authorization for the use of deadly force.)

199 posted on 05/06/2003 11:05:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: MineralMan
That would be tough because I don't know anyone who works there. He did.
200 posted on 05/06/2003 11:05:35 AM PDT by fml
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