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Cop takes 'midnight photos' of teacher's classroom
Times Argus ^ | David Delcore

Posted on 05/06/2003 9:35:22 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun

BARRE – John Mott and Tom Treece have at least one thing in common. Make that two.

Both men think they have been unfairly accused and, if you believe their critics, both have had a chilling impact on students at Spaulding High School.

Mott is the Barre Town police officer who admits he spent part of an early morning break last month photographing student projects in the classroom of a controversial history teacher.

Treece is that teacher. A passionate pacifist, he has been skewered publicly by critics who say he is pedaling his personal political views to the students in his class. Part of the proof, critics say, is in the photographs Mott took when he visited the high school April 9 while on duty, in uniform, and out of his jurisdiction.

The photographs were taken at around 1:30 a.m. after Mott, who once worked at Spaulding, persuaded a custodian to unlock the door to the classroom Treece shares with another teacher.

Mott isn’t apologizing for his actions and says he has at least temporarily refused orders from Barre Town Police Chief Michael Stevens and Town Manager Carl Rogers to supply school officials with copies of the photographs.

“I’m going to speak to an attorney first,” he said.

Mott disputes an account of the April 9 incident contained in a letter written by school Superintendent Dorothy Anderson to the police chief.

Specifically, Mott disputes Anderson’s claim that he “banged on the front door” of the high school to get the attention of night custodian Arnold Cliche, and that Cliche opened the door and let him in.

“It didn’t happen that way,” he said.

According to Mott, he entered the school through an unlocked maintenance door, found Cliche and asked him to unlock the door to Treece’s classroom room so he could take photographs with his personal camera. Although he was on duty at the time, Mott maintains that he was on a break and wanted to photograph student projects that offended him as an American and a retired military man.

“I wanted everybody else to see what was in that room. You can’t explain it,” he said.

Among the student projects that Mott said he photographed were a poster of the President Bush with duct tape over his mouth and a large papier-mâché combat boot with the American flag stuffed inside stepping on a doll. He said there also were pictures of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and his former chief lieutenant, Ernesto “Che” Guevara, posted on the walls.

“Having spent 30 years in uniform, I was insulted,” he said. “… I’m just taking a stand on what happens in that classroom as a resident and a voter and a taxpayer of this community.”

Mott said he took the photographs less than 48 hours after attending a school board meeting at which several residents complained about what they claimed was an attempt to “indoctrinate” not “educate” students.

School officials have rejected that notion, defending Treece as a “thought-provoking” teacher who provides students in his public issues class with resources from the full spectrum of political perspectives.

“As a teacher he (Treece) does present all sides of an issue,” Anderson said.

Anderson said she was concerned that Mott used his uniform to gain access to a locked classroom after hours without supervision.

“I find this behavior, at the very least, in violation of our policy for visitors at the school,” she wrote in her letter to the police chief. “I also find it disturbing that a police officer would wear his uniform under such circumstances thereby intimidating our employee (Cliche) into letting him in the building at a very unusual hour.”

Anderson said she met with the police chief and the town manager on Friday to discuss her concerns and to reiterate her request for copies of the photographs Mott took and has been circulating in the community. She said Mott had not yet complied with that request, which is based solely on her desire to confirm the photographs were not doctored in any way.

“We’re not embarrassed about what was in that classroom,” she said. “We just want to make sure that the pictures he (Mott) took are an accurate reflection of what the classroom looked like.”

Mott said the photographs he took are authentic and accused school officials of “tap-dancing” around an issue that was brought to their attention last month by using the circumstances under which he entered Treece’s classroom as a diversion.

“It leads me to believe they are out witch-hunting,” he said.

Treece said he knows the feeling. He says Mott and his other detractors don’t have a clue about what he does in his classroom, but that hasn’t stopped them from jumping to conclusions based on his personal political views.

“None of these parents know me in any way,” he said. “They just think they know me. Everything they know about me is hearsay. They don’t have kids in my class. They have taken lies and innuendoes and run with them.”

Treece does not hide his personal views and acknowledges his public criticisms of the war in Iraq and President Bush have irked many in the community. However, he said their contention that he is force-feeding his views to Spaulding students is simply wrong.

“I tell kids from day one: ‘I don’t want you to agree with me, I want you to be informed and think for yourselves,” he said. “I have never squashed dissent in my class in any way shape or form.”

Treece said his message to students is simple: “Defend what you believe and if you can’t defend it I’m going to pick holes in your argument no matter what side of the issue you’re on.”

Treece said he supplies his students with a broad range of resources and encourages them to use them to come to their own conclusions.

“My goal in that class is to get kids to think and be critical of everything they read and hear and see,” he said.

Treece said he’s tired of being painted as anti-American simply because he challenges students not to take what anyone – not the president, their parents, or even he – says at face value.

“I want them to understand that everybody’s got an agenda … everybody,” he said.

Treece said that goes for his detractors, some of whom are using the controversy over a six-word sentence – “All hail the idiot boy king” – that he posted on a bulletin board next to a picture of President Bush as a reason to reject the high school budget. The budget is scheduled for a re-vote next week.

“They’re out to get the budget and they’ve made me their whipping boy,” he said.

Treece makes no apologies for how he conducts his classes or for his own political views. In retrospect, he said, the comment he posted about Bush was probably too direct.

The board meets at 7 p.m. in the high school library. Like the Malones, both Mott and Treece said they plan to attend.

“I did not recognize how fragile people’s feelings were at the time,” he said. “It was horrible timing on my part.”

If he had it to do over again, Treece said he would spell out the same sentiments in two pages of text that wouldn’t have offended anyone.

Paul and Norma Malone, the local couple who first took issue with the comment Treece posted on the board, insist they’re not out to scuttle the budget, but want to restore balance in the curriculum at Spaulding.

“Our position has been and still is there should be a balance in that curriculum and respect in that school,” said Paul Malone.

Although the couple’s criticism is not limited to Treece, they admit his comment served as a springboard for their effort.

“It’s not an issue of freedom of speech. That was never the issue,” he said. “It’s an issue of balance and it’s an issue of professionalism.”

Based on discussions with faculty, parents and students, Norma Malone said students from a largely conservative community are being urged to view the world to through a liberal lens.

“There’s nothing from the center or from the right,” she said, rejecting Treece’s comments to the contrary.

The Malones, who have formed the group “Citizens Advocating Responsible Education,” say they plan to attend tonight’s school board meeting and present a copy of a petition signed by several hundred supporters. The petition states in part: “Students must be provided a thorough, factual, unbiased study of the history of our nation, the importance of our government institutions, and the significance of our political traditions so as to engender civic duty and respect for our national values.”

In order to accomplish that goal, the petition suggests revisions to the school’s policy regarding academic freedom and the appointment of community members to the school board’s curriculum committee.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; antibush; blameamericafirst; bushbashing; commies; communists; hateamericafirst; leftwinghategroup; litteredschoolhouse; looneyleft; police; procastro; prodictator; publicschool; redmenace; students; taxdollarsatwork; theredmenace; vermont; youpayforthis
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To: anniegetyourgun
I listened to Rush talk about this first hour.
What I don't understand is why no parents have taken their kids out of the class/school or kicked this Commie scum's @$$.
101 posted on 05/06/2003 10:22:46 AM PDT by Feckless
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To: harpseal
All true, but don't hold your breath. Remember, there are two Americas now. There are those who see no problem with this and send their kids to such schools. Then there are the rest of us who would rather vote absentee than darken the door of a government school building. I just want the former to stop leeching off the latter to fund indoctrination camps for their kids.
102 posted on 05/06/2003 10:22:48 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: dead
The cop did not step over the line. He is a citizen and a taxpayer, too. Nothing in that classroom should have been kept secret from anyone. He didn't do anything wrong.
The teacher did cross the line.
103 posted on 05/06/2003 10:23:10 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Feckless
See #102
104 posted on 05/06/2003 10:23:11 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: George from New England
"1) Tell me where in the USA in public school that a child would be allowed to do a pro-life project?

"

In my town in California, for example. My neighbor's daughter did just such a project in her Junior Year social studies class. The assignment was to do a presentation on a social issue. She did a pro-life presentation. No doubt someone did a pro-choice presentation. She rehearsed it for me and my wife the day before.

I asked her what other kids were doing. Race issues, immigration, gun control...all were among the topics. Now, do you actually know of a school where such would _not_ be permitted in those circumstances.
105 posted on 05/06/2003 10:23:24 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: grapeape
You are not involved in politics at all are you? This has been going on since the beginning of time.

And it's not a good idea to have a public law enforcement official on public time pursuing a political agenda. What if this had been some liberal cop going after a conservative teacher? I get most of the folks on this thread cheering this action would be singing a completely different tune. And that's why I disagree with what this cop did - it could just as easily have been used against us.

106 posted on 05/06/2003 10:24:18 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: Feckless
I'd like to know why the door to that room was locked...
107 posted on 05/06/2003 10:24:26 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: anniegetyourgun
“My goal in that class is to get kids to think and be critical of everything they read and hear and see,”

Neither the republicans nor the demorats are going to like this.

108 posted on 05/06/2003 10:25:28 AM PDT by thepitts (Hell hath no fury like vested interest masquerading as a moral principle!!)
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To: Calpernia
But don't you think the police officer was proactively protecting the civil rights of the students?

Oh, that's a load if I ever saw one. It isn't the job of a cop to make that kind of political value judgement. That job belongs to the school board, the parents, and, if needed, the judiciary.

109 posted on 05/06/2003 10:25:39 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: Calpernia
But don't you think the police officer was proactively protecting the civil rights of the students?

He may have thought he was. But he shouldn't have done what he did, the way he did it. There are plenty of other ways to get those pictures.

110 posted on 05/06/2003 10:25:45 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Ron in Acreage
I just can't stand it... I know they do that in jr high..but not in elementary school..at least in our area. If the schools don't have anything to hide..they don't need runners escorting peers.

I realize this is a security issue..and they don't want the kids being kidnapped etc. If I'm going to check my child out of school, and I feel it necessary to "pop in" to the class room unnannounced, I will do it, and I will escort her to the office and sign her out. I've done it before. I wouldn't just walk out without telling the office.

111 posted on 05/06/2003 10:26:16 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: George from New England
Tell me where in the USA in public school that a child would be allowed to do a pro-life project?

Tell me where they're not.

These are high school students. I am not aware of any laws that control the content of individual high school students' art projects.

And a cop who used his uniform and badge to gain access to a school late at night and take pictures of a pro-life art project in order to pursue some political retribution against the teacher would be out of line.

112 posted on 05/06/2003 10:27:04 AM PDT by dead
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To: zeugma
You have no idea what you are talking about. None of what you said has any relevance. If police units can't enter buildings any time they want then we can not have police units at all.

Look at this ridiculous quote Cops don't have the right to do anything they want any time they want. No one said this quit putting words into our mouths.

So now you think that you are going to make the leap from your invalid accusation to this? Any place that does allow cops to do that is called a 'police state' NO. Your Points are wrong, your attempt to blame the janitor is just plain mean, and your conclusions are intentionally misleading.
113 posted on 05/06/2003 10:27:51 AM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Shelton)
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To: DoughtyOne
"If the child is supposed to evaluate what their parents say, then it stands to reason they are to listen when they want and do whatever they please the rest of the time. Nice work Treece.

I've seen teachers like this. They sell themselves as the most reasonable person the children have ever met. Then they push their agenda. "I don't care what you believe, just make sure you can defend it." Most kids think, wow, what a cool dude. This guy is very open and HONEST. If he thinks the president is a putz, he may be.

If Treece is challenged he simply says, "Hey, I'm just teaching kids to think for themselves." I would disagree. He is destroying their beliefs system in order to instill his own. Can his ass.

You don't have to display things like Treece does, to be effective in the classroom."

How about slick willy, or FDR? Should teachers be quiet about their antics to satisfy the wishes of their leftist parents? There's still folks with family loyalties to the rat party, that date back to FDR. They don't think before they vote, they just vote in accord with family tradition.

114 posted on 05/06/2003 10:28:08 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: grapeape
Not only does he have the right to enter a Public Building he has a duty.

If a crime or a suspected crime has been called in.

You have been busted and you are going to be drug through the mud and your schools are going to be put out of business by vouchers!!!! Goodby Utopians...

Nice pointless personal attack. First of all, I don't like public schools much. But I like limited government much, much better, especially when it comes to a cop trying to squelch someone's opinion while on official duty, even if I think the person being squelched is a liberal scumbag. Because if you support this, the same methods can be used against YOU later.

115 posted on 05/06/2003 10:28:29 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: anniegetyourgun
“We’re not embarrassed about what was in that classroom,” she said. “We just want to make sure that the pictures he (Mott) took are an accurate reflection of what the classroom looked like.”

As if he somehow managed to make the camera take pictures of what really wans't there?

116 posted on 05/06/2003 10:28:45 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: mewzilla
Teachers often bring their own possessions to the classroom to use as teaching aids and decor. It is reasonable to allow them to lock the rooms after hours - especially if the building's main doors are left unlocked.
It is also reasonable for the custodian to allow a police officer or even a parent into the room after hours upon request.
117 posted on 05/06/2003 10:29:05 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
The teacher did cross the line.

Agreed. And so did the cop.

And he was stupid, too: even here among those who agree with Mott's underlying point, the subject is not Treece's egregious classroom antics, so much as it is Mott's actions.

One can easily predict the response among the politically agnostic, and certainly on the Left.

118 posted on 05/06/2003 10:29:12 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: USAF_ret
Wouldn't care at all. He can photograph the whole school. Who cares? He's a cop.. They are photographs. I want him there.
119 posted on 05/06/2003 10:29:41 AM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Shelton)
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To: dead
and the custodian is a walking cliche.

;D

120 posted on 05/06/2003 10:30:07 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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