[nickcarraway]

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[doug from upland]

This is long, long, long overdue. My church would be well served by getting rid of the pedophile priests and the abortion politicians.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Pro Choice Murder/ Abortion--- Practicing Roman Catholic, in good standing with The Church???

[The Brush]

The Bible states that if you have a disagreement with a brother in the church, bring it to the church. If they refuse to adjust their behavior you are to "treat them like a tax collector"
What do you do when they already ARE tax collectors?
If these pols have issues with the doctrine of abortion in their faith they need to get in line or resign from the church. It's a matter of ethics. IMHO

[Coleus]

Ted Kennedy:

http://www.ytedk.com/
http://www.yankeesamizdat.org/ACBigots/ACB.html
http://www.christiangallery.com/atrocity/deaths/bl75rmcdowell.htm
http://www.space.com/news/kennedy_tapes_010822.html

[GreatOne]

I have always been sorely disappointed/disgusted that the Vatican has not leaned heaviliy on the damn bishops (choosing my words carefully) to deal more harshly with pro-aborts/pro-sodommites. This policy of "Oh, we don't want to be so harsh that we lose congregants" is ignorant - if the congregants continue to believe this crap, then you've already lost them. Ignoring the issues doesn't help, and allows more to stray. No way should any person, politician or otherwise, be allowed to receive Holy Communion. The thought of Fat Boy Kennedy receiving it makes me ill; thankfully, he will be dealt with later.

I've said it before many times - the Catholic Church is not a political organization whose doctrine can be changed over time through moral "change" or majority opinion. His Word and Teachings do not "evolve" - what is right is right, today as it was 2000 years ago.

[madprof98]

This one got it exactly right--about the bishops as much as about the politicians. The Perez example is one I myself remember. I often wonder why contemporary bishops are so much less steadfast--unless, of course, they themselves do not really believe abortion is wrong either.

[RS]

"“Pro-choice” Catholic politicians support abortion mostly for political reasons. The U.S. bishops say this is unacceptable. So why do they accept it? "

Duh... lemmme think...maybe because their voters don't care what U.S. bishops say about it... Ya'think?

[jackbill]

I suspect that Ms. Mikulski has more problems with the Catholic Church than abortion. Like maybe rampant Lesbianism? But then, the Liberal pukes in Maryland don't really give a damn. Nor does the Archbishop.

[MHGinTN]

Thank you for pinging me, but after you read the following you may decide to pull my name from your ping list. But those ready for strong meat, have ears to hear, for I offer this in Christian love, to chide my fellow Christians on this Sabbath day.

To borrow from Tom Daschle, "I'm deeply saddened." Why? ... Because the Catholic Church has lain with the whore, to speak metaphorically, and Biblically!

Bishop Hart looked as­kance at this question. Then he said, “Well, it would be a very rare situation that we would deny Communion to anyone.”
“Have you talked to Senator Dodd about his views on abortion and cloning?”
“That would be a personal thing,” he said plainly.
“Can you think of any circumstances in which Communion would be denied?”
Bishop Hart paused. He turned slightly and thought the matter over for about ten seconds. Finally he said, with the air of someone genuinely stumped, “I can’t think of any situation where I would deny Holy Communion.” In such a posture, communion wouldn't be Holy from this Bishop, merely a hollow ritual.

Such an man does not represent MY LORD and Savior. The Catholic Church presents itself as intermediary between man and God. If the Church cannot and/or will not as policy withhold the Flesh and Blood of My Lord from persons supporting the slaughter of fellow individual human beings, the Church is no longer in touch with God and has lain with the whore.

What the failure of the Church to uphold righteousness is leading to is the tacit acceptance of human cannibalism. Imagine, it will be the cannibalized bodies of individual human lives conceived solely for harvesting body parts that the Church will be completely impotent to oppose, because the Church has not stood for righteousness regarding the alive unborn with their own members!

The 'whoremongering' Church has given cover to the enemies of Life for so long now, the Church is no longer in touch with The Savior. Some Priests and Bishops still strive to serve Our Lord, but as a body, the edicts of the Holy Father are routinely ignored by Priests and Bishops thus giving cover to reprobate catholics. It is the Lord who will judge this whoremongering, this gross failure to be His Priests. It is the Lord's forgiveness the Church ought seek, and prove repentance with action.

The Church gives lip service to piety yet allows the practicing Catholic to establish the rules, individually. It is clear that Jesus is no longer the acknowledged leader of the Church, establishing what is written at the end of Judges, "In those days there was no King in Israel, and everyman did what was right in his own eyes." Read again what Bishop Hart asserted, and see in his smarmy complicity the words found in Judges: “That would be a personal thing,” he said plainly. Yes, to choose what is right and wrong is a personal thing, not the purview of a Church laying with The Whore.

[WhaChuLookinAt]

I grew up in college during the civil rights movement, during the early days of the conflict over the war in Vietnam, the environmental movement, and the women’s movement

Open wide, Kerry. I got a movement for ya.

[WhaChuLookinAt]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports elective abortion under ANY circumstance deserves excommunication from the Earth.

[Salvation]

Some additional threads about Catholics and politicians:

Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic

On Catholic Politicians and Faith

Vatican Urges Catholic Politicians to Vote Along Church Lines

Senator Santorum on Being Catholic and a Politician

William E. Simon, Sr. and Jr. Devout Catholics, Philanthropists and Politicians

Deadly Dozen senator taken to task over claims of Catholicism

THE BISHOP AND THE SENATOR [author links to FR thread regarding Daschle in her online column]

[RobbyS]

But when persuasion fails—repeatedly—isn’t coercion then necessary?

This is the conclusion that St. Augustine sadly came to after fruitlessly debating the Donatists of Africa, who had left Africa in a state of civil war for a hundred years.

[narses]

Bishop Hart paused. He turned slightly and thought the matter over for about ten seconds. Finally he said, with the air of someone genuinely stumped, “I can’t think of any situation where I would deny Holy Communion.”

This is emblematic of the enire Modernism problem in the Church. No one is EVER in a state of Mortal Sin, no not EVER.

[jimkress]

I wish the Pope would be just as serious about the priests that abuse children - but he refuses.