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"Unlike the American troops, we look the Iraqis in the eye"
The Daily Telegraph U.K. ^ | 4-05-03 | Not attributed

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:04:58 PM PDT by WaterDragon

He counts his unit's kills meticulously, each one a tick in black pen on his khaki helmet which is, by now, bleached by the sun and battered from battle. Perched in the turret of his tank, just behind the barrel that is hand-painted with intimidating war cries such as "kill 'em all" or "I'm a motherf***ing warrior", he talks only to those Iraqis with the temerity to approach: he feels vulnerable without a 60-ton Abrams girding his loins. It is impossible to read anything in his eyes because they are always obscured by mirrored sunglasses.

Only in the safety of his unit's headquarters, behind barbed wire and protected by heavy weaponry, does the American marine take off his body armour and helmet. On the streets of Baghdad, out on patrol, he is wary and ill at ease.

Friendly approach: an Irish Guard patrols the streets of Basra Every Iraqi is a potential troublemaker, a possible target. If one fails to stop at his checkpoint, his response will be to open fire. If more than 50 gather to chant anti-American slogans, he will likely flood the street with soldiers. If he so much as suspects that the crowd has weapons he may well consider a full-scale counter-attack.

Still in full battle dress, though the war is over, he is awesome to behold. His President insists that he was never a member of an invading force, that he was a liberator and is now a peacekeeper. Yet much of the time he is loathed, despised and spat upon by those Iraqis for whose freedom he fought. He and his comrades are among the most hated men in the Iraqi capital.

The manner in which the American forces stormed their way to Baghdad may indeed have been awesome. They fought the war with verve, with valour and with steely determination. How they are holding the peace, however, makes a woeful contrast.

British troops, by comparison, are welcomed in southern Iraq with cries of "We love you Britannia, welcome British." In the south, the British not only won the trust of the locals during the war and used it effectively to gather vital intelligence, they kept it in the aftermath. The Americans, hampered by much stricter rules of engagement and with little experience of peacekeeping, are swiftly losing the battle for hearts and minds.

On the streets of Basra, Safwan and Az Zubayr in southern Iraq, British soldiers, with years of experience of dealing with civilian populations in war zones such as Northern Ireland and of peacekeeping in the Balkans and Sierra Leone, are treated as saviours. They have abandoned their helmets in favour of their more people-friendly berets, have taken off their body armour and mingle with the locals. They have helped to set up a local police force and a council to get the city's infrastructure running smoothly.

"Have you met my buddy Ahmed?" says Sergeant Euan Andrews, from the 7th Parachute Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery, as he swings an arm around an Iraqi by his side outside the freshly painted Basra police station.

Ahmed, beaming in a baseball cap emblazoned with the words "City of Basra police" in Arabic and holding a truncheon, punches his new friend in playful camaraderie. "A month ago we were shooting at each other," says Euan, "now we are on the same side."

As Ahmed, chest swelling with pride, steps out to deal with the next car check by himself, Euan gives him an encouraging nod. "They're all getting there," he says. "It will take time. There is still a lot of: 'He is my cousin, my friend, he is ok.' We have had to explain that police must be impartial. But slowly we are getting there."

That afternoon the soldiers are playing football against the locals and in the evening they have volunteered to repaint the local school. The Iraqis loiter to chat as they pass the station, shaking soldiers by the hand and bringing them home-cooked meals. "Our methods of dealing with the locals are very, very different from that of the Yanks," one officer says over a cup of local coffee. ("Awful," he says, "but they like it when we drink it.")

"Unlike the Americans we have taken off our helmets and sunglasses and we look the locals in the eye. If we see one vehicle heading at speed towards a checkpoint we let it through. It is only one vehicle. We call our method "raid and aid" - don't ask me what we call the American way."

In Basra, raid and aid worked. For two weeks the 7th Armoured Brigade waited at the bridge before entering the city. During that time it built up its relationship with those Iraqis brave enough to provide intelligence about the Fedayeen - Saddam's loyalist fighters - who had held the city to ransom.

The result was that when the British did enter, they knew where to go, who to go after and who to trust. For them the rules of engagement changed as warfare became peacekeeping. Now, they no longer automatically return fire. They wait. Often Iraqi gunfire is a sign of celebration at the return of electricity or running water. They know it is not necessarily attacking fire.

The Americans are, admittedly, bound by much less flexible rules. Their Force Protection Doctrine decrees that all soldiers must wear helmets and body armour in a war zone at all times and that gun fire must be met with response. They also have little experience in the peacekeeping arena, and their experience of urban warfare in the battle for Hue during the Vietnam war and more recently in Somalia has left them jumpy.

The British have learned in the past 30 years that good information on the enemy was their best protection and that putting soldiers at risk to get it was justified; jungle ambushes in Vietnam made the Americans obsessed with "force protection".

Since the killing of four American soldiers by an Iraqi suicide bomber 10 days into the conflict, they have become even more wary of locals.

Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when locals became angry at their occupation of the local school. Though the US troops say they fired in self-defence - and may well have done so - television footage of bleeding Iraqis, clearly unarmed, lying on the roads, have shocked Western viewers.

In Baghdad, where the Americans rarely leave their compounds, lawlessness is widespread. On Friday, when locals realised that Saddam's sister owned a lavish home in Al Jadria in the west of the city, they stormed the house. Pianos, furniture and paintings were dragged away by a mob of looters. When US soldiers arrived they stopped only long enough to warn journalists not to remove anything or they would be arrested, then left the mob rampaging through the house. "I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."

In the more affluent areas of Al Mansour and Al Kaarada, local families have been forced to build barricades to keep out thieves as the American soldiers refuse to patrol.

In the Shia ghettos of Saddam City and Khadamia, where the Americans are reluctant to go even in tanks, the local imams have taken matters in hand. "Imams have set up local security stations in the hospitals," says Yousef al Alwani. "Guns that have been looted, many from Saddam's palace, are brought to the mosques and from there the imams take them to the hospital and arm the local militia who are now policing us. The Americans don't protect us and they don't help us. What else are they doing but occupying us?"

Cultural background, say military analysts, explains much of the British success in southern Iraq. "Britain and other European nations have imperial traditions," says Stuart Crawford, a retired lieutenant colonel in the 4th Royal Tank Regiment. "As a result, British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing, where small numbers of men would have close contact on a daily basis with local populations. But America is a young country with no colonial past."

In some respects it is a paradox that Britain, which once ruled an empire, should have a more flexible and sensitive army than America.

At the end of the 19th century, the howitzer and the Maxim gun were the equivalent of the cruise missile and the tankbuster. To maintain control yet allow and encourage people to live in their traditional ways, they became accustomed to understanding and respecting local culture and customs. It is a lesson that the American army has yet, it seems, to learn.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allies; american; antiamerican; boorishness; british; drivel; iraqifreedom; mediabias; order; totalbs; troops
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To: WaterDragon
I sincerely hope you put as much energy into writing to ALL the liberal newspapers in the US who have demoralised the troops, as you have tonight bashing the best conservative newspaper in the UK.

I'd also like to see copies of the the 'letters to the editor' you've had published to the US liberal news-sheets you've written to.
241 posted on 05/04/2003 8:21:38 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal; WaterDragon
"Critical thought Water Dragon goes a LONG way!"

This piece of crap article is certainly critical of our troops.
242 posted on 05/04/2003 8:24:06 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: WaterDragon
This is quite disappointing to say the least. We must remember that the British press is notorious for their outrageous reporting, and hope this isn't coming from the actual British soldiers, or Tony Blair, who behaved wonderfully during the entire operation.
243 posted on 05/04/2003 8:25:23 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Pukka Puck
Did I say I liked this article?

Read back over the thread Pukka?

Methinks you and waterdragon were too consumed with yer Brit-bashing to notice!
244 posted on 05/04/2003 8:26:14 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Why would I be attacking liberal newspapers? They are liars by habit and inclination.

It is conservative newspapers, on whom we rely for actual information that I watch like a hawk. If you're a declared socialist newspaper, then naturally we know you'll be spinning, twisting facts, lying and mostly sneering, because sneering is the one genuine talent of socialists.

But if you're a conservative newspaper and you begin printing articles that lie, twist, spin and sneer, then naturally you can expect the conservative public to say What the f*%#! What's going on? And be held accountable. That goes for British newspapers as well as American ones.
245 posted on 05/04/2003 8:29:44 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
You know, the danger in responding to any and all criticism with hatred and bile is that one never improves.

Oh? Is that right? Did you email this to the democrat's in Washington DC? We would all so appreciate it if you would do so. I am so sure they would improve their attitude's if only they knew this.

246 posted on 05/04/2003 8:31:05 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
I doubt it is coming from British soldiers. The reporter probably has periodic wet dreams and then rushes to write them up. The problem is not the reporter -- he's obviously a nitwit. The problem is the Telegraph printing the article.
247 posted on 05/04/2003 8:32:15 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon
It is conservative newspapers, on whom we rely for actual information that I watch like a hawk

So therefore, by your own admittance, you can cite many examples to me of how the Daily Telegraph is the devil incarnate. BUT you can't. You cite ONE single article, to condemn a damned good CONSERVATIVE media organ.

How many times do I have to ask you to cite articles from the DT (You being an avid reader, and all!), that have affronted you?

I have a feeling you can't. And I feel, presently, you are a fraud..putting up a front. I'll warn you, I'm a terrier and will haunt you until you give me the facts to back up yer argument!

248 posted on 05/04/2003 8:34:21 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: may18
I enjoyed reading the article you posted about the help the British troops have given to our troops.

I have not written anything disparaging about the British troopers. I think they are fine soldiers.

I do very much object to the tone of this article and I think that the fact that it was written in a conservative newspaper in Britain tells us plenty about the attitude of even the conservative Britain Public.

The British troops are all well and good, but the British politicians give commands to the troops and with a socialist public, Britain will not have a muscular foreign policy for much longer.

The British want to make up with the French, integrate with the EU, and give more power to the UN. Let them go their own way. If we try to compromise with them in order to prop up their politicians, we will be pulled into that whole morass.
249 posted on 05/04/2003 8:36:36 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Pukka Puck
"This article speaks volumes about British public opinion, considering that it was published in a putatively conservative newspaper."

That concerns me. Do you really think it is true? From the defense of the article from Brits on this thread it would seem so.

Do the Brits think Americans defend conservative pundits and politicians no matter what they say or do? If so, they are very ignorant. We are much MORE likely to attack conservatives for egregious behavior or words!!!

250 posted on 05/04/2003 8:37:32 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Pukka Puck
Agreed!
251 posted on 05/04/2003 8:38:54 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon
You haven't attacked diddly squat. I've asked you to back up your previous comments about the MANY DT anti-war/troop articles...and you CAN'T.


Jesus woman.

ALL you have shown is Anti-British sentiment.

252 posted on 05/04/2003 8:43:38 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: WaterDragon
You answer a post? And then you have to agree with in on the next post? *ROFL* (YOu really are a bullshit artist!)
253 posted on 05/04/2003 8:45:15 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: WaterDragon
Australia lost almost a whole generation of its young men fighting for Britain and Churchill still managed to insult us as 'mere colonials'.

Its just the British way(mainly the older ones),and you have to take it with a grain of salt.
254 posted on 05/04/2003 8:45:39 PM PDT by armed_in_sydney
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To: WaterDragon
You mean this one?

Fruit dumplings play crucial role


The Daily Telegraph ^ | April 2, 2003 | Jack Fairweather

Posted on 04/01/2003 3:56 PM PST by MadIvan

The three US special forces rangers dismounted from their vehicle wearing identical shades and un-reassuring smiles. "Hello, we're to offer you our services," said one, as he signalled to one of his men to provide covering fire from a heavy machinegun on the roof of his jeep.

"We're trilingual arms and explosives experts with full air support and medical assistance at your disposal, sir. We've come to debrief the local population to provide you with useful intelligence."

"Right you are," said the officer from A squadron, Queen's Dragoon Guards outside Gul Ashab.

The village is under British control following a sweeping manoeuvre on Monday which took the squadron to the outskirts of Basra.

"We've got some special techniques to motivate them into helping you," said the special forces man.

"You know what?" said the British officer, "I don't think that will be strictly necessary."

255 posted on 05/04/2003 8:47:52 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: WaterDragon; Pukka Puck
At least me and PukkaPuke got a sexual chemisty going on by virtue of the fact of our diametrical opposition. Waterdragon? What's your excuse? ;-) *ROFL*
256 posted on 05/04/2003 8:48:07 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck; WaterDragon
Pukka..you better post how ALL the freepers saw the interpretation of that before you spank yer own arse in triumph! ;-)
257 posted on 05/04/2003 8:49:35 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
BTW..Pukka...just link to the thread...It will save me and you having to vebally beat the shit out of each other AGAIN over a non-event. Eh?
258 posted on 05/04/2003 8:51:34 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
You confirmed my point that the Telegraph is a more serious and respected paper than the Sun.

"As far as I can see you have an issue with the British troops."

Well, you seem to be stuck in that same rut with Ivan, even though there is nothing that I have written to support such a delusion. I suppose it is easier to get all huffy and pretend that I am insulting British troops and that I am somehow biased against them in spite of all the nice things I have written about them, instead of actually dealing with what I have written. Is that intellectually dishonest technique taught at journalism schools or is it something one picks up after practicing the craft for a time?
259 posted on 05/04/2003 8:53:07 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Happygal
There are more important things in life than politics.
260 posted on 05/04/2003 8:54:44 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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