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"Unlike the American troops, we look the Iraqis in the eye"
The Daily Telegraph U.K. ^ | 4-05-03 | Not attributed

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:04:58 PM PDT by WaterDragon

He counts his unit's kills meticulously, each one a tick in black pen on his khaki helmet which is, by now, bleached by the sun and battered from battle. Perched in the turret of his tank, just behind the barrel that is hand-painted with intimidating war cries such as "kill 'em all" or "I'm a motherf***ing warrior", he talks only to those Iraqis with the temerity to approach: he feels vulnerable without a 60-ton Abrams girding his loins. It is impossible to read anything in his eyes because they are always obscured by mirrored sunglasses.

Only in the safety of his unit's headquarters, behind barbed wire and protected by heavy weaponry, does the American marine take off his body armour and helmet. On the streets of Baghdad, out on patrol, he is wary and ill at ease.

Friendly approach: an Irish Guard patrols the streets of Basra Every Iraqi is a potential troublemaker, a possible target. If one fails to stop at his checkpoint, his response will be to open fire. If more than 50 gather to chant anti-American slogans, he will likely flood the street with soldiers. If he so much as suspects that the crowd has weapons he may well consider a full-scale counter-attack.

Still in full battle dress, though the war is over, he is awesome to behold. His President insists that he was never a member of an invading force, that he was a liberator and is now a peacekeeper. Yet much of the time he is loathed, despised and spat upon by those Iraqis for whose freedom he fought. He and his comrades are among the most hated men in the Iraqi capital.

The manner in which the American forces stormed their way to Baghdad may indeed have been awesome. They fought the war with verve, with valour and with steely determination. How they are holding the peace, however, makes a woeful contrast.

British troops, by comparison, are welcomed in southern Iraq with cries of "We love you Britannia, welcome British." In the south, the British not only won the trust of the locals during the war and used it effectively to gather vital intelligence, they kept it in the aftermath. The Americans, hampered by much stricter rules of engagement and with little experience of peacekeeping, are swiftly losing the battle for hearts and minds.

On the streets of Basra, Safwan and Az Zubayr in southern Iraq, British soldiers, with years of experience of dealing with civilian populations in war zones such as Northern Ireland and of peacekeeping in the Balkans and Sierra Leone, are treated as saviours. They have abandoned their helmets in favour of their more people-friendly berets, have taken off their body armour and mingle with the locals. They have helped to set up a local police force and a council to get the city's infrastructure running smoothly.

"Have you met my buddy Ahmed?" says Sergeant Euan Andrews, from the 7th Parachute Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery, as he swings an arm around an Iraqi by his side outside the freshly painted Basra police station.

Ahmed, beaming in a baseball cap emblazoned with the words "City of Basra police" in Arabic and holding a truncheon, punches his new friend in playful camaraderie. "A month ago we were shooting at each other," says Euan, "now we are on the same side."

As Ahmed, chest swelling with pride, steps out to deal with the next car check by himself, Euan gives him an encouraging nod. "They're all getting there," he says. "It will take time. There is still a lot of: 'He is my cousin, my friend, he is ok.' We have had to explain that police must be impartial. But slowly we are getting there."

That afternoon the soldiers are playing football against the locals and in the evening they have volunteered to repaint the local school. The Iraqis loiter to chat as they pass the station, shaking soldiers by the hand and bringing them home-cooked meals. "Our methods of dealing with the locals are very, very different from that of the Yanks," one officer says over a cup of local coffee. ("Awful," he says, "but they like it when we drink it.")

"Unlike the Americans we have taken off our helmets and sunglasses and we look the locals in the eye. If we see one vehicle heading at speed towards a checkpoint we let it through. It is only one vehicle. We call our method "raid and aid" - don't ask me what we call the American way."

In Basra, raid and aid worked. For two weeks the 7th Armoured Brigade waited at the bridge before entering the city. During that time it built up its relationship with those Iraqis brave enough to provide intelligence about the Fedayeen - Saddam's loyalist fighters - who had held the city to ransom.

The result was that when the British did enter, they knew where to go, who to go after and who to trust. For them the rules of engagement changed as warfare became peacekeeping. Now, they no longer automatically return fire. They wait. Often Iraqi gunfire is a sign of celebration at the return of electricity or running water. They know it is not necessarily attacking fire.

The Americans are, admittedly, bound by much less flexible rules. Their Force Protection Doctrine decrees that all soldiers must wear helmets and body armour in a war zone at all times and that gun fire must be met with response. They also have little experience in the peacekeeping arena, and their experience of urban warfare in the battle for Hue during the Vietnam war and more recently in Somalia has left them jumpy.

The British have learned in the past 30 years that good information on the enemy was their best protection and that putting soldiers at risk to get it was justified; jungle ambushes in Vietnam made the Americans obsessed with "force protection".

Since the killing of four American soldiers by an Iraqi suicide bomber 10 days into the conflict, they have become even more wary of locals.

Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when locals became angry at their occupation of the local school. Though the US troops say they fired in self-defence - and may well have done so - television footage of bleeding Iraqis, clearly unarmed, lying on the roads, have shocked Western viewers.

In Baghdad, where the Americans rarely leave their compounds, lawlessness is widespread. On Friday, when locals realised that Saddam's sister owned a lavish home in Al Jadria in the west of the city, they stormed the house. Pianos, furniture and paintings were dragged away by a mob of looters. When US soldiers arrived they stopped only long enough to warn journalists not to remove anything or they would be arrested, then left the mob rampaging through the house. "I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."

In the more affluent areas of Al Mansour and Al Kaarada, local families have been forced to build barricades to keep out thieves as the American soldiers refuse to patrol.

In the Shia ghettos of Saddam City and Khadamia, where the Americans are reluctant to go even in tanks, the local imams have taken matters in hand. "Imams have set up local security stations in the hospitals," says Yousef al Alwani. "Guns that have been looted, many from Saddam's palace, are brought to the mosques and from there the imams take them to the hospital and arm the local militia who are now policing us. The Americans don't protect us and they don't help us. What else are they doing but occupying us?"

Cultural background, say military analysts, explains much of the British success in southern Iraq. "Britain and other European nations have imperial traditions," says Stuart Crawford, a retired lieutenant colonel in the 4th Royal Tank Regiment. "As a result, British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing, where small numbers of men would have close contact on a daily basis with local populations. But America is a young country with no colonial past."

In some respects it is a paradox that Britain, which once ruled an empire, should have a more flexible and sensitive army than America.

At the end of the 19th century, the howitzer and the Maxim gun were the equivalent of the cruise missile and the tankbuster. To maintain control yet allow and encourage people to live in their traditional ways, they became accustomed to understanding and respecting local culture and customs. It is a lesson that the American army has yet, it seems, to learn.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allies; american; antiamerican; boorishness; british; drivel; iraqifreedom; mediabias; order; totalbs; troops
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To: WaterDragon
nod i have the same problem with the bbc when i complain to them about their coverage (the bbc spent the whole war critising uk troops)

Anyway point taken, we agree its a silly article, im off to bed, take care
221 posted on 05/04/2003 7:56:38 PM PDT by may18
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To: WaterDragon
"Repeat: the article was posted to expose idiocies of a supposedly conservative newspaper, not an attack on the British troops.

And it isn't "just one article", this is the latest in a series of similar articles trashing American troops. The Brits on this forum have tended to see these articles as just showing pride in their troops. American newspapers have not seemed to need to trash British troops in order to express pride in our own."

I agree. Madivan and his amen corner have characterized these sort of articles as simply pointing out that our soldiers are a little too tightly wound, but they are obvious digs at our troops and by implication, our country.
222 posted on 05/04/2003 7:58:11 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: WaterDragon; may18
But printing this and similar articles lessens its reputation as the preeminent conservative newspaper.

LESS of the generalisations, and more of the facts. I've already asked you to post the links to support your comments. You've yet to do so, waterdragon. Get with the programme, will ye? ;-)

223 posted on 05/04/2003 7:58:17 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
I suspect, and even have read about, a number of British civilians who are likely as appalled over this article as we are. The Telegraph's decision to print such garbage is indefensible.
224 posted on 05/04/2003 7:59:54 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: may18
Thanks, may18. Rest well.
225 posted on 05/04/2003 8:00:55 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Pukka Puck
Perhaps, but isn't the Telegraph supposed to be the BEST conservative paper in Britain?

Well, yeah, OK. The Sun is a tabloid and the Telegraph is a broadsheet and broadsheets supposedly have more respectability than tabloids.

226 posted on 05/04/2003 8:02:13 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: WaterDragon; may18
I've read the Telegraph regularly for years.

I'm impressed. Therefore, you should be able to cite ALL of their troop bashing articles easily. PLEASE post the links, so I will stop buying the Telegraph.

227 posted on 05/04/2003 8:02:19 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
"Perhaps, but isn't the Telegraph supposed to be the BEST conservative paper in Britain?
The Sun is a 'tits and ass' tabloid, that sells a conservative agenda. It's like comparing the Weekly World News to the Washington Post."

Right, so you confirmed by point. While the Sun may well be more conservative than the Telegraph, the fact that this hit piece on our troops was printed in the far more reputable Telegraph makes it that much more objectionable, since it was printed in a respected conservative paper, one that might be expected to reflect mainstream conservative thought in Britain.

It would be as if the Wall Street Journal ran an editorial slamming the performance to the British troops, which would be far more objectionable to the British than a similar article in the Washington Times.

Is your hair still red?
228 posted on 05/04/2003 8:03:39 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: may18
The BBC...reporters are more left than Cuba! Jaysis. They do great tv dramas though! :-)
229 posted on 05/04/2003 8:04:00 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
Pukka, one more comment on my appearance, and I'm going to bitch slap YOU back to the oblivion of your hairy handshake! ;-) *LOL*

But the credibility in a newspaper lies in the law suits filed against it, and the resources spent on it's news team. Tabloids don't spend money on investigative journalism on political stories (unless there are tits and ass involved) They DON'T!. Broadsheets do. By and large, therefore, they are more reliable.

BTW...Pukka, I guess you think the DT boys who have been steadfastly going through Iraqi documentation, churning up facts about George Galloway (et al) are liberal conspirators too? (I think NOT!)

230 posted on 05/04/2003 8:09:53 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
I won't be spending my evening digging for ALL the articles in the Telegraph similar to this one. You were defending one posted by Ivan not long ago. Nasty one, that you saw nothing wrong with, but that many Americans objected to.

Actually, by printing such articles as this one, the Telegraph seems more tabloid than the Sun. What the reporter quotes as something said by an American sounds more like a Brit trying to sound like an American.

Even the New York Times sometimes finally has to account for its reporters' egregious articles. So must the Telegraph.
231 posted on 05/04/2003 8:10:34 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Happygal
"Care to tell me what you know of the recent local elections, and the Torie gains? "

I did scan a brief news report that mentioned Labour losing a few seats in England but holding on in Wales, as I recall.

The article seemed to imply that Tories were nowhere near a serious challenge.
232 posted on 05/04/2003 8:10:52 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Pukka Puck
Right, so you confirmed by point

I didn't confirm ANY point you made Pukka. As far as I can see you have an issue with the British troops.

233 posted on 05/04/2003 8:12:05 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
"How many American newspapers have printed drivel about indigenous US troops?"

Too many. But at least even our liberal media has enough class not to bash allies.
234 posted on 05/04/2003 8:13:02 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Happygal
"Pukka..your limited critical thought surprises me."

I like to keep pretty girls off balance.
235 posted on 05/04/2003 8:14:30 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: WaterDragon
I won't be spending my evening digging for ALL the articles in the Telegraph similar to this one.

So therefore YOU CAN'T! Gimme a single ONE?

Go on...just one other...

You cannot prove your point, even though the DT archive is available online. Hmmm...

236 posted on 05/04/2003 8:15:51 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
LOL! Class or maybe sudden terror of an aroused American public! We don't take kindly to our newspapers trashing our troops who are risking life and limb for us.

Quite frankly, if an American conservative newspaper printed even one article sneering in such a fashion at British troops, that newspaper would be inundated with fierce denunciation from the conservative public instantly, and that newspaper would be roundly denounced in the internet forums as well!!!!
237 posted on 05/04/2003 8:17:15 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Pukka Puck
``I like to keep pretty girls off balance. ''

STOP flirting with me. It clouds my judgement, and makes me want to like you, when I should be REALLY kicking yer ass into oblivion!!! *LOL*

238 posted on 05/04/2003 8:17:38 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
But at least even our liberal media has enough class not to bash allies.

But you do? Does anyone else smell the irony?

239 posted on 05/04/2003 8:19:00 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: WaterDragon
"It's willingness to print this tripe, in my opinion, exposes a vein of anti-Americanism, not even to mention that it is particularly low-class, and is something conservative American newspapers would not stoop to indulge."

All very true and completely obvious to anyone who is not brain dead or a committed socialist. This article speaks volumes about British public opinion, considering that it was published in a putatively conservative newspaper.
240 posted on 05/04/2003 8:21:23 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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