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Hillary wants to wait until '08, but she may be called on sooner
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 4, 2003 | ROBERT NOVAK

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:11:35 AM PDT by sarcasm

It is not merely the ranting of radio talk show hosts and their callers.

It is not just daydreaming by political junkies. It's still a long shot, but it really could happen.

Hillary in '04!

No, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York is not about to announce her candidacy for president in 2004, joining the jostling pack of Democratic candidates elbowing each other and participating in their first debate this weekend in South Carolina. Her reputation for keeping secrets is well-known, but everybody believes she is planning to sit out 2004 and aiming for the 2008 election to run for president.

Nevertheless, Hillary could be propelled, without her volition, into next year's presidential election. The prospect of another Bush-Clinton race--with a younger Bush and a female Clinton--generates hope and fear among Democrats and Republicans alike.

Democrats hope that Mrs. Clinton can duplicate nationally her letter-perfect 2000 campaign for the U.S. Senate but fear she could bring on one of the periodic Democratic washouts, in the mold of George McGovern and Walter Mondale. Republicans hope her premature presidential candidacy could mean ridding themselves of the Clintons at long last, but are frightened by her masterful performance in New York.

The former first lady certainly generates far more attention than the pallid band of announced candidates. This weekend's South Carolina debate will not get a fraction of the media exposure Sen. Clinton will command between now and June 9, the publication date of Living History, her memoir of life as first lady. With hints that it will reveal what Hillary really thinks of Monica Lewinsky--and her husband--an instant runaway best seller is promised.

A book, even one with a first printing of 1 million copies, is no substitute for a political campaign. However, it contributes to a mood of "Hillarymania" that may produce a heady concoction when mixed with two political facts of life.

First, there is no superstar among the eight announced Democratic presidential candidates. There is no charismatic young standard bearer in the mold of John F. Kennedy or Bill Clinton or an intriguing, unusual newcomer such as Jimmy Carter. As of today, none of the candidates looks like a winner against George W. Bush.

Second, the Democratic timetable has been moved forward radically, with primary elections earlier and a much higher percentage of delegates to be selected by the end of March.

Those two factors could militate against the usual way the Democratic Party has avoided a deadlock in multi-candidate fields over the past generation. George McGovern in 1972, Jimmy Carter in 1976, Michael Dukakis in 1988 and Bill Clinton in 1992 all started as little-known candidates. But as they won one primary election after another going into the spring, they collected a majority of delegates well before the first gavel opened the national convention.

That could happen again in 2004, but it is much more difficult because of so many primaries compacted early in the year.

Although the odds are still negative, it is now arithmetically possible that no nominee will emerge before the convention begins.

Consider this possible scenario. Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri wins the opening round, the caucuses in neighboring Iowa. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts follows with a victory in the first primary election, in neighboring New Hampshire. South Carolina, the first southern primary, is won by Sen. John Edwards from neighboring North Carolina. Michigan, jumping into the early primary election mix, gives first place to Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut.

Because different winners according to this scenario divide up the primaries, the normal winnowing out process would not occur. If that happens, the Democratic Party will go into its July convention in Boston without a clear winner for the first time since Chicago in 1952 when Illinois Gov. Adlai Stevenson was nominated on the third ballot.

Here looms the brokered convention that journalists and other political junkies have dreamed about for half a century.

Enter Hillary. Assume there has been no economic collapse and President Bush is still riding the crest of military victory in Iraq. Who else would the Democrats turn to but the woman who stood aloof from her husband's escapades, won election in a strange state and then made a mark for herself in the U.S. Senate as a shrewd, industrious freshman member.

It would be an immense gamble for Democrats--the first woman candidate for president and an enormously controversial one at that. Many Republicans anticipate a showdown between Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush as promising the death knell of the Democratic Party. But New Yorkers could remind them of the perils in getting what you wish for.


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To: monocle
I think the(re) is a better possibility that Hillary could (be) named the Vice President nominee

I agree, this would be the most prudent approach but I wonder how desperate she might be to grab the brass ring. Riding in at the last minute to 'save the day' could allow her to escape close examination as well. A couple of appearances on Letterman with softball questions (given in advance, of course) could help also.

61 posted on 05/04/2003 8:51:28 AM PDT by budwiesest
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To: sarcasm
the Democratic Party will go into its July convention in Boston without a clear winner ...Here looms the brokered convention that journalists and other political junkies have dreamed about for half a century.... Enter Hillary.

I've said all along that the reason there are so many candidates fielded by the DNC is to set up exactly this scenario. Hitlery does not have to expose her stupidity by engaging in debates before the convention and would come in as the popular savior of her party. If GWB's polls are down by convention time, this will be exactly what will happen. If his poll numbers remain strong, the Dems will field any old sacrificial candidate and get to work on 08.

62 posted on 05/04/2003 8:54:27 AM PDT by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the CORRUPT liberal media)
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To: sarcasm
Remember the words of Linda Tripp: "Eight years for him; eight years for her...that's the plan".



63 posted on 05/04/2003 8:56:10 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (The Bible Belt is a myth!)
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To: sarcasm
Remember the words of Linda Tripp: "Eight years for him; eight years for her...that's the plan".



64 posted on 05/04/2003 8:58:16 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (The Bible Belt is a myth!)
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To: sarcasm
• She has to be on the ticket (Pres or Veep) in order to get to the White House.
• If she doesn't run in 2004 and Bush loses, she will not successfully challenge an incumbent Democrat president in 2008.
• That means she will have to wait about ten years from now just to run for the presidency.
• If the incumbent Democrat screws up in the 1st or 2nd term, a Republican will likely win 2008 or 2012, whichever is applicable.
• That means she would to wait an additional 4 or 8 years.
• I don't think she wants to wait that long. Yes? No?
65 posted on 05/04/2003 9:14:10 AM PDT by Consort
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To: sarcasm
"Nevertheless, Hillary could be propelled, without her volition, into next year's presidential election."

Who does this person think they're kidding? Hillary has never done anything without her own volition. Oh, she will plant the seeds in other people's heads, just so it doesn't look like it's come from her, but the woman is a snake, and no one makes a move without her approval. I've said it for quite a while now, that Hillary might run in 2004, especially if it is made to look that the masses demand her to, to save the party. She wants to be President alright, but if she can be President and have people beg her to run, and be looked upon as the heroine of the party, that's even better. I wouldn't count her out in 2004...no, not at all.

66 posted on 05/04/2003 9:27:52 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority; Jim Noble
Good point about the jobs being "outsourced". I was part of a project which was outsourced to India. The Indian firm was TATA. They are very smart and capable people. I don't know what the solution is. The Indians and all of the other third world country folks are becoming highly educated and work for a fraction of what American workers demand. "Mama, don't let your babies grow up to be programmers" THEY WON'T FIND JOBS!!! Systems analysis, computer programming, tax accounting, securities analysis, engineering, etc., etc. is all being outsourced overseas.
God bless America.
67 posted on 05/04/2003 12:01:33 PM PDT by NYDave
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To: AmericaUnited
Perhaps, but do you realize just how crafty this woman is????

That said, only 40 percent of the vote is a blowout in a Presidential election.
68 posted on 05/04/2003 12:31:41 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel!)
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To: Gritty
I would support a civil war if she is elected.
69 posted on 05/04/2003 12:35:55 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel!)
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To: rwfromkansas
Perhaps, but do you realize just how crafty this woman is????

Yes, pure unadulterated evil. She makes Saddam look like an eagle scout. But 911 blew the fog off of many people and exposed her and and her ilk. She's naked!

70 posted on 05/04/2003 1:23:18 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Jeff Chandler

71 posted on 05/04/2003 1:41:58 PM PDT by gcruse (Piety is only skin deep, but hypocrisy goes clear to the soul.)
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To: sarcasm
Novak has been lurking. I have said for some time that she could emerge from the convention as the nominee, never have had to spend any money or be bloodied by the other candidates. If all else failed, the candidate in the lead would be blackmailed or whacked.
72 posted on 05/04/2003 1:45:37 PM PDT by doug from upland (my dogs ran from the room when they heard Hillary shrieking on the radio)
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To: KC_Conspirator
There is a reason she ran in NY and not her home state of IL or her old residence of AR; and that is that NY is something like 3-1 democrats to GOP in voter registration. Plus the NY news media did not ask her one serious question the whole time and basically acted like an arm of her PR team

Hillary ran behind Gore in NYC and Buffalo. She ran behind Schumer's 1998 numbers there, as well.

She was elected by upstate (Bush country) women.

You do have women where you live, don't you?

And do you suppose the national news media won't be worse than the NY news media? You know they will.

Hillary has a huge hidden vote, and she is a very serious threat.

73 posted on 05/04/2003 5:43:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
You're right.
74 posted on 05/05/2003 5:54:14 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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