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Claire, the Lean, Mean, Killing Machine: This Woman's Army
Toogood Reports ^ | 4 May 2003 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 05/02/2003 11:11:50 AM PDT by mrustow

Toogood Reports [Weekender, May 4, 2003; 12:01 a.m. EST]
URL: http://ToogoodReports.com/

A Few Good Persons

If you're goin' to fight for freedom,
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair,
If you go to fight for freedom,
April time will be a love-in there.

Remember the song, "San Francisco"? As written by John Phillips and sung by Scott McKenzie, it was a big hit in 1967, a time when the city by the bay was famous for "flower children."

"If you're going to San Francisco,
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair,
If you're going to San Francisco,
You're gonna meet some gentle people there,
For those who come to San Francisco,
Summertime will be a love-in there."

Well, the New York Times' Nicholas Kristof, his bosses, and folks at places like NOW apparently think we can now fight wars with flower children.

Meet Claire. As Kristof described her last Friday,

"The only time I saw Iraqi men entirely intimidated by the American-British forces was in Basra, when a cluster of men gaped, awestruck, around an example of the most astoundingly modern weapon in the Western arsenal.

"Her name was Claire, and she had a machine gun in her arms and a flower in her helmet.

"'I'm a bit of a novelty here,' she said, laughing. The Iraqis flinched."

At the risk of sounding arrogant, because I wasn't there and Kristof was, that's a lot of Barbra Streisand, if you'll pardon my French. The only Iraqi male who might have been intimidated by Claire, would have to have had eyes so bad he could just make out the gun, but not the sex of its bearer, and was probably wheelchair bound. Those men weren't intimidated; they were shocked.

Kristof's arguments for why we should have women at the front lines are:

  1. They will cause the most bloodthirsty enemy troops to show compassion, and perhaps not bomb vehicles occupied by both women and men;
  2. They can pat down women;
  3. And hey, female journalists function fine at the front lines, so why not infantrypersons?

I kid you not. Kristof also quotes Lory Manning, who runs the Washington, D.C.-based Women in the Military project, as saying that—

"There's this whole mommy-at-war feeling, which tells me that the critics have given up on the women-can't-do-it argument. They're backing off the old arguments and have come up with a new one."

Oh, Captain, My Captain

The problem with the Lory Mannings of the world, is that they split their time between peeing on people's legs and telling them it's raining, and giving interviews to pc journalists and academics who themselves spend much of their time peeing on folks' legs, and telling their victims that it's raining. Critics of the feminized military haven't given up on "the women-can't-do-it-argument"; since when do you give up on the truth? Mainstream journalists and tenured academics, however, have largely succeeded at silencing that argument in their respective workplaces. And Manning knew she was talking to just such a newspaper, whose virulently pc publisher, Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr., is as hostile to the military ethos as they come.

Give any indication that you believe in biological differences between men and women, and you will never get hired as a staffer at the New York Times, or as a humanities or social science professor at, say, Columbia University. Express such blasphemy after being hired there, and the feminists will see to it that you're fired, if not sued for creating a "hostile work environment." And the alleged males of the species will help them.

Lory Manning's a liar, but who's going to call her on it? No one at the Times, certainly. And not CBS "reporter" Jane Clayson, who used an 1 April, 48 Hours "investigation," "Waiting On Women Warriors," which was supposedly a report on POW Jessica Lynch, as a pretext to give Manning a soapbox.

"[B]ut ex-Navy Captain Lory Manning says much of the American public is still struggling to accept women as warriors, especially after hearing the news of MIAs Jessi Lynch and Pvt. Lori Piestewa and seeing the video of POW Shoshana Johnson.

"'We have this idea that women stay at home and men go to war,' says Manning.

"Her initial reaction to seeing Shoshana's pictures as a POW, 'Was oh my gosh, you know, let's start praying for her right now. I could feel the fear.

"She hopes it won't change the way America thinks about the role of women in the military.

"'We have women POWS now, women missing. But we also have hundreds and thousands of women over there doing extraordinary heroic work,' says Manning."

Thus did Manning equivocate on the difference between a woman serving, say, as a clerk at headquarters, and serving in the infantry. And Clayson helped her, by retiring from journalism, to serve as a cheerleader for feminist gender politics, national defense be damned.

Jessica Lynch, Lori Piestewa, and Shoshana Johnson were not warriors. Period. That we have had women POWs and women missing, is due to mischief by Clinton Administration officials who eliminated rules prohibiting women from serving in all manner of risky capacities in war zones. Now they may serve in any unit but the infantry, artillery, armored divisions and special forces, a move that anyone familiar with combat knew would result in women becoming involved in battle. As my colleague Paul Scates has observed, in places like Afghanistan — and, with tragic results, Iraq — often there are no clear front lines or "rear areas."

The Media Declare War On The Truth

In William McGowan's excellent book, Coloring the News: How Crusading for Diversity Has Corrupted American Journalism, McGowan tells of the Pentagon's corruption of military standards during the 1990s, in order to meet quotas for female officers and fliers, and of the corruption of journalistic standards that not only permitted the military corruption to occur, but celebrated it.

If you relied on the New York Times for information, you would never have heard of Coloring the News. The Times refused to review it, and a search I did of their archives for this article, showed that the alleged newspaper of record has never so much as mentioned the most important book on media bias in recent years. That might have something to do with McGowan's having taken the Times out to the woodshed, for its relentless propagandizing and dishonesty.

McGowan beat up on many other big-name, "legitimate" news organizations, as well, for systematically misrepresenting as "sexism" problems integrating women into the armed forces. In particular, he cited the incompetent, politically compromised reporting of the Washington Post's Tamara Jones and Dana Priest, respectively, 60 Minutes' Morley Safer, NBC Dateline's Gary Matsumoto, Martha Raddatz (then of NPR, now with ABC News) and ABC News' John McWethy.

None of the above "reporters" or outlets will tell you, that according to a 1992 Pentagon study, men have 81.8% more upper-body strength than women, that women are much slower than men, get winded more easily, and can't carry a wounded comrade to safety. And so, instead of real basic training, women get a sex-normed Mommy-track, with a fraction of the rigorous exercises the men do, lighter packs, and only having to practice hand-to-hand combat against other women. That training regimen ought to come in handy, for when America fights an army of women.

Last year, my colleague Fred Reed, a Vietnam veteran who has covered the military, among other beats, discussed sex differences as they relate to the military in graphic detail, in the sort of article – published by Toogood Reports – that you'll never see in the New York Times, or if Lory Manning had anything to say about it, anywhere. In Reed's article, which is must reading for anyone who wants to understand the reality of a sexually-integrated military, he quoted from the 1992 Pentagon report:

"Women's aerobic capacity is significantly lower, meaning they cannot carry as much as far as fast as men, and they are more susceptible to fatigue.

"In terms of physical capability, the upper five percent of women are at the level of the male median. The average 20-to-30 year-old woman has the same aerobic capacity as a 50 year-old man....

"Using the standard Army Physical Fitness Test, [Lt. Col. William Gregor, U.S. Army] found that the upper quintile of women at West point achieved scores on the test equivalent to the bottom quintile of men.

"Only 21 women out of the initial 623 (3.4%) achieved a score equal to the male mean score of 260.

"On the push-up test, only seven percent of women can meet a score of 60, while 78 percent of men exceed it.

"Adopting a male standard of fitness at West Point would mean 70 percent of the women he studied would be separated as failures at the end of their junior year, only three percent would be eligible for the Recondo badge, and not one would receive the Army Physical Fitness badge.."

Reed quoted from a conversation with his friend, Catherine Asby, a Harvard graduate who enlisted in the Army in 1995.

"The Army was a vast day-care center, full of unmarried teen-age mothers using it as a welfare home. I took training seriously and really tried to keep up with the men. I found I couldn't. It wasn't even close. I had no idea the difference in physical ability was so huge. There were always crowds of women sitting out exercises or on crutches from training injuries.

"They [the Army] were so scared of sexual harassment that women weren't allowed to go anywhere without another woman along. They called them 'Battle Buddies.' It was crazy. I was twenty-six years old but I couldn't go to the bathroom by myself."

With rare exceptions, the mainstream media have steadfastly suppressed such stories. Instead, they quote silly coeds, er, G.I.s, who insist, as did Marine recruit Vanessa Jenkins, in getting the last word of a 1997 Dateline propaganda piece cited by William McGowan in Coloring the News, "A woman can do anything a man can do, and lots of times a whole lot better."

Many women also end up sleeping with their fellow soldiers, their superiors, their subordinates, and in the case of Lt. Kelly Flinn, soldiers' husbands. You can blame women for that, you can blame men, or like Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, you can blame the biggest offender of all -- "human nature." The mixing of the sexes within units has destroyed military discipline. (At any given moment, ten percent of military women are out on "disability," due to pregnancy.) Sending women into battle would result not only in dead women, but in many men dying, trying to protect the weaker sex.

Cases like that of Kelly Flinn, an officer and B-52 bomber pilot who flaunted her superior rank in the face of the enlisted woman whose husband she stole, and who lied to her superiors, are examples of human malevolence that were encouraged by sexual integration which served no military purpose.

The insistence on promoting, for political reasons, incompetent females to highly technical, dangerous positions such as fighter and bomber pilot, has not only unnecessarily endangered soldiers (Lt. Carey Lohrenz), caused deaths (Lt. Kara Hultgreen), and destroyed precious military hardware, but has "empowered" female personnel, aware of the support they enjoy from politicians and the media, to shower military rules with contempt, as in the cases of pilots Carey Lohrenz and Kelly Flinn.

In feminizing their coverage, the media have also misrepresented the role that physical strength can play in piloting a plane. We are told that in today's high-tech military, the need for brute strength has been neutralized. But on April 1, 2001, when a Chinese pilot deliberately collided with a EP-3E U.S. spy plane, Navy pilot Lt. Shane Osborn, a bull of a man who appeared to weigh over 220 pounds, had to use every ounce of his strength to pull back on the aircraft's yoke, in order to help get the plane "nose up" (in fact, the plane had lost its nose), in order to land without losing any of his crew. Had a woman been at the controls, there can be no doubt that all 24 crewmen would have been lost.

Nicholas Kristof instructs us that "wars these days are less for territory than for hearts and minds, and coed military units appear less menacing."

You know what you call an army that fails to appear menacing? 1. The vanquished; 2. the Dutch.

The New Matriarchy

The Pentagon surrendered to the matriarchy even before Bill Clinton became commander-in-chief. During the past twenty-odd years, a number of females have undermined the services, using those weapons of mass destruction, the lawsuit and the sexual harassment claim. Militarily incompetent females have worked their way up the officer corps, by playing politically correct media and politicians like fiddles. Pols like former Rep. Patricia Schroeder and Sen. Olympia Snowe, seek to turn military men into gender slaves. Women who couldn't fly have been certified as fighter pilots, and women who couldn't lead, have been promoted all the way to general officer.

Years ago, a feminist ex-girlfriend of mine had a name for men like the sort of generals you increasingly find in this woman's army: "Pu--y-whipped."

Shortly after 911, CNN interviewed gender warrior, U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy, ret., the highest-ranking woman in Army history.

CNN: How has the military environment changed for women in the last ten years?

KENNEDY: I think the military environment is a more open one for women. Two things have happened. One is the number and diversity of jobs increasing. And, I think that we have all grown more confident of the ability of women to perform not only the traditional women's jobs, but those that are new and unusual for women to fill. The reason more jobs have been opened to women is that women have done so well in each field as it opens up to them.

Among civilians, Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy's claim to fame is for having destroyed the career of Maj. Gen. Larry Smith. In 1999, when Smith was about to be promoted to lieutenant general, and to Deputy Inspector General of the Army, an office which, among other things, investigates sexual harassment claims, Kennedy claimed that Smith had groped and tried to kiss her three years earlier. The official charge was that Smith had "kissed [Kennedy] against her will in her office."

The Army concluded that the charge was "substantiated." What that really meant was, that in such "he said, she said" situations, the Pentagon always takes the word of the female officer.

I'll have more to say on Claudia Kennedy at another time, but for now, all you need to know is that: 1. Her statement on women in the services is manifestly untrue; and 2. Her goal has long been to emasculate the military, and install a matriarchy, rather than to prepare soldiers, sailors, and airmen to defend America against her enemies.

Reading the likes of Nicholas Kristof and Claudia Kennedy, you wonder how the military functioned for thousands of years without women.

The military has one job: To win wars. Winning wars means killing the enemy, and seizing real estate. And you don't do that while protecting coeds with flowers in their helmets.


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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
George, you're a mind-reader! When I saw her response last night, I resolved to do a cut-and-paste, but wanted to wait til daylight, when folks would see it.
41 posted on 05/03/2003 10:37:01 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: OOPisforLiberals
That's a wild story. I wonder to what degree the lack of discipline and professionalism of the Iraqi military can be directly attributed to being run by men who were themselves out of control, and who would suddenly maim or murder aides on a whim.
42 posted on 05/03/2003 10:43:47 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: ppaul
BUMPBACKATCHA!
43 posted on 05/03/2003 10:44:26 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: dark_lord
Back circa 1918. Today, maybe 25% of the military are infantry grunts of some type or otherwise need those strength and endurance skills (like navy bomb loaders). The rest are techs, tweeks, and clerks. Which women can handle.

Even clerks and technicians face the possibility of seeing combat, particularly in a world where low-intensity conflicts and terrorism are more common. This means that even a pencil pusher has to meet certain physical abilities.

I don't think those abilities necessarily have to match those of an infantry soldier, but everyone in the military has to at least be able to run long distances without getting winded, be able to carry a heavy object for a long period of time, etc. Their life (or the lives of their comrades) could depend on it one day.

44 posted on 05/03/2003 11:13:32 AM PDT by timm22
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To: tmg
So, gentlemen, the next time you want to jump on the "women are physically inferior" train, ask yourself how you would treat one who works hard to make herself the physical equal of a man. If she asked you to spot her in the weight room would you? What if she could lift more than you? If she needed a sparring partner would you spar with her?

If a woman worked herself up to be equal to or stronger than the average man, I'd have tremedous respect for her becuase I know how difficult a process it probably was for her. I apologize for any idiots who feel the need to call names or snicker. Unfortunately, a lot of men (and women) are stupid.

As for men in combat situations not performing as well because a woman is around, that's your problem buster, not mine. You think you need to protect poor little us from being raped or beaten? News flash: that can and does happen at home all the time. Up until the last century, it could be done legally done by a husband in the US. Women have been brutalized in their very own homes for most of history, why is it so much more abhorrent when it happens in war?

It's not just "my" problem; it becomes the problem of everyone I am fighting with. Let me illustrate with a hypothetical example. Suppose you and I are in an infantry squad, tasked to secure a vital peice of ground. As we approach, you are incapacitated, and one of our overprotective squad mates freaks out and can't leave you. Problem is, he's the only squad member with a vital piece of equipment or skill that we need. So the rest of us get killed, and the enemy gets to our objective first, which puts our whole company in danger.

You make good points about women facing violence at home, but unfortunately, the protective instinct many men have has more to do with biology than reason. I'm not so sure it can just be dismissed or ignored.

45 posted on 05/03/2003 11:29:02 AM PDT by timm22
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I agree that women don't have the same body strength as men; however we are more resolved. We are also meaner than guys.

I disagree. I think resolve and meanness have little to do with sex, and depend on the individual. I also don't think meanness has a lot to do with soldiering.

A woman can machine gun the enemy,

Even after carrying the machine gun for a few kilometers and digging a spot for it? Kill an enemy who sneaks up on her position in hand-to-hand combat?

she can fly a plane,

And evade capture if she is shot down?

she can drive a tank,

Can she change the track on that tank? Manually traverse the turret? Load the tank with 10, 20, 30 or more 120mm shells? Pull out 180 lb unconscious gunner?

so even though I don't approve of women fighting on the front lines, I know that we can do the job.

There's a lot more to some of those jobs than you might think.

46 posted on 05/03/2003 11:40:08 AM PDT by timm22
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To: timm22
Even clerks and technicians face the possibility of seeing combat, particularly in a world where low-intensity conflicts and terrorism are more common. This means that even a pencil pusher has to meet certain physical abilities.

With this statement I absolutely agree. The issue is what level of physical ability. I have never said that I think women ought to be hauling .50 calibers, body armor, and various and sundry other items along across battlefields. But what level to physical fitness does a radar tech need? Probable the ability to run a few miles in a few minutes, dead lift 75 pound weights from the ground to waist height; and the ability to function without sleep for 24 hours. Thus not as strenuous as infantry grunts, but more strenuous than couch potatos.

47 posted on 05/03/2003 1:00:47 PM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: dark_lord
In the Battle of Bastogne, cooks, clerks, and other "rear echelon" troops were issued whatever rifles and ammunition could be found and sent to the front lines to help prevent the Germans from overrunning the surrounded American forces.

Considering that one of the "lessons" of the now-concluded war in Iraq was that U.S. ground forces could be smaller and still get the job done, we could see more instances of this in the future. The smaller the forces, the more likely they could find themselves cut off or surrounded. A fully combat-capable force could fight itself free, where a force partially composed of soldiers under-qualified for combat operations could face disaster.

You are assuming that the next fight that the US gets in will have "safe" areas where female radar operators, etc., could be deployed. As Jessica Lynch's story shows, there wasn't even such a place in this pissant war. What makes you think that the next one won't have even more dangers for the "tail" of the column?

Only a fool prepares for the best case scenario...

48 posted on 05/03/2003 6:06:16 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Those whose refuse to learn from history, become history...)
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To: timm22
We aren't the same as men. Duh. Before you peg me as a feminist, I want to say that when shit happens, the women are more vicious than the men. Especially when children are involved.

I agree with you about what a soldier's job entails. I don't think that women should have been given the positions they were given, however we do get to drive and vote, so what the heck...
49 posted on 05/03/2003 11:28:01 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: GovGirl
Oh please...wanting it and wishing it were so does not make it so.
50 posted on 05/03/2003 11:31:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: mrustow
Good work on this thread of fantasy logic....and fantasy culture.
51 posted on 05/03/2003 11:32:34 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Only a fool prepares for the best case scenario

Well this forum is overrun with new age PC "fools". I'm glad there are still a few of us around with some common sense.

The mood here is that thousands of years of practical history was all really just a ploy to keep womyn down....and has no basis in clear reasoning both from a strategic, tactical and cultural perspective.

52 posted on 05/03/2003 11:38:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Viciousness is irrelevant. My 3 year old is as vicious as a Tasmanian Devil.

There are legions of sound reasons to keep women's roles in the military limited.
53 posted on 05/03/2003 11:57:40 PM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: wardaddy
Honestly, I can't understand why women would want to fight wars! The only people eager for a fight are those who have never been in one...
54 posted on 05/04/2003 2:35:38 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Those whose refuse to learn from history, become history...)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Validation?
55 posted on 05/04/2003 9:50:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: dark_lord
Your arguement assumes that this military will always be able to defeat an enemy with the forces already in place. It ignores the possibility of a tough, resolute, and capable enemy cabable of bogging us down and inflicting significant numbers of casualties. This might necessitate press ganging infantry and other combat arms replacements from other specialties, as was the case with the Army's ASTP soldiers in WWII. With the female 15% officially non-deployable in most critical combat arms MOS's, this does not bode well for such an eventuality.

I certainly hope that our military supremacy will continue to make such a reality moot. But I think it unwise to expect that it will always be thus and not recognize the threat to combat readiness that a large number of women, who are trained to a differential standard of physical fitness represent.
56 posted on 05/04/2003 1:33:06 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank; Charles H. (The_r0nin)
I concur that certain support units can be exposed to combat. But there are two different issues here.

The 1st issue is, should we permit a lowering of standards to permit women in combat infantry roles? I think that this has already occurred and is a bad thing. I would like to see the physical standards returned to their previous level. So I think you will find few people who think lowering the physical standards is a good thing.

The 2nd issue is, assuming we permit women in the service, do we permit women in roles that expose them to injury, capture, and death? In an all voluntary service we clearly have to for two reasons -- because they want to and because not enough men volunteer. The first reason can be argued with, but face it -- they too are citizens of the Republic. If they can serve in roles for which they are qualified, without lowering standards, your basis for denying them the opportunity is weak. The second reason is pragmatic. I am perfectly willing to discuss this issue with fellow citizens who have served, but I suspect there are many who shout "No damn wimmin in the military" while never having served a day in their lives.

57 posted on 05/04/2003 2:46:27 PM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: wardaddy
Good work on this thread of fantasy logic....and fantasy culture.

Oh, man. I never, but never, expected to see the sort of responses I got on FR. Things are much worse than I'd ever imagined.

58 posted on 05/04/2003 3:01:11 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: *"NWO"; *Culture_War; *Feminist Watch; *war_list
Bump to list.
59 posted on 05/04/2003 4:07:29 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: *miltech; *Patriot List; *Presstitutes; *medianews; *SemperFi
Bump to list.
60 posted on 05/04/2003 4:08:59 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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