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To: Dataman
It is not convincing because the evidence does not fit the theory well.

Oh? Where? Be specific and precise.

It is not convincing because laws of nature have to be violated.

So you say... Which ones?

It is not convincing because its supporters deliberately ignore and suppress evidence.

Yadda yadda yadda. Examples?

It is not convincing because supporters cannot defend their own assertions.

You're big on the broadly general accusations, and non-existent on the support, I see. What "own assertions" can we not defend, please?

Let's see if you've got anything better than empty accusations. Your reputation is riding on the quality of your responses.

And to avoid the usual creationist tactic of posting a link to a scattershot list of 234,858 attempts to throw things at the wall in the hopes that 1 or 2 might stick, give us your single *best* example, in your own words, in response to each of the questions.

That'll not only save everyone (including you) a lot of time, it'll let us dismiss you once and for all if your "best" examples are shown to be misfires.

423 posted on 05/03/2003 11:18:41 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
The most troubling part of evolution for me is how things got started(sorry if this has already been covered). Somehow a cooling earth had all the bubbling pots of primordial soup, and whereas everything else on the planet follows the second law of thermodynamics, this pool cooks up a bunch of highly organized and structured matter. I'm interested in your thoughts on that.
424 posted on 05/03/2003 11:27:34 PM PDT by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: Ichneumon
It is not convincing because laws of nature have to be violated. So you say... Which ones?

A FEW of the MATERIALIST'S MIRACLES

NATURAL PROCESS THAT EXPLAINS THE MIRACLE

Matter has always existed/ matter is eternal.


Matter existed before (!) time began. Matter takes up space, space is impossible w/o time.


All the matter was compressed into the size of a point (some say "infinitely small").


The point exploded (The universe created itself).


Time began.


The universe was 100 trillion degrees celsius (some say "infinitely high").


Only quarks and photons existed which gave rise to hydrogen.


Hydrogen gave rise to all the other elements.


Some particles accelerated beyond the speed of light. (requires infinite energy)


The distribution of matter is not smooth but the distrubution of MBR is smooth.

NASA just decided that the MBR is not smooth.

The clumping of distant quasars appears to put us in the center of the universe.


Particles departing from each other at the speed of light formed planets and stars


Rain on rocks gave rise to life (spontaneous generation)


Rocks gave rise to intelligence.


1-celled structures invented their own genetic info.


Frogs gave rise to princes.


Modern spores are found in precambrian shale.


Some fossil men had 12% larger brains than modern man (we are devolving?)


A pig's tooth evolved into a village with the help of "science."

The blunder was admitted but not the process that led to it (Lucy & pelvic saw, for example).


500 posted on 05/04/2003 5:01:14 AM PDT by Dataman
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