[exmarine]

True, the rights come from God, but the practice comes from man. The current law states that we can murder babies, this was a decision made by man. Is it correct in saying, that it would appear that we are in agreement in that mans' actions are morally relative.

Let me put it this way...relativism is a moral philosophy that a man either believes or doesn't believe. I don't believe it because it is illogical and doesn't fit the human experience. However, Stalin and Marquis de Sade were moral relativists and look what they did! Now look at George Washington who believed in moral absolutes, and compare his life with Stalin's...don't you see the difference? Even though Washington was not perfect in obeying moral laws, he STRIVED to obey them because he loved God and he knew he was accountable to a Holy God. Our nation is founded upon the principle of "self government" wherein each person governs his own moral actions as God speaks to his/her conscience. We were formed as a nation of "self-governing Christians." The Pilgrims and Puritans were godly people - check out the crime rate in 1675, or the divorce rate. In 1780, 99% of Americans were Christians, but it has gone down hill from there as godless amoral people gained influence in our govt. and culture.

[stuartcr]

I don't remember any mention of Christianity in the constitution of the US. Crime statistics in the 17th century are as relative to the time and place as are todays morals. As I said, in almost every instance of nation building, it has been acceptable practice to enslave, run-off, and even kill the indigenous peoples, regardless of whether they were far from perfect or not. The conquering people impose their own set of moral absolutes on the ones that lost.