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Saudis wonder, will they be next?
The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 05/01/03 | David Hirst

Posted on 04/30/2003 8:30:05 PM PDT by Pokey78

You won't find the newly published Hatred's Kingdom in Saudi Arabian bookshops, but it is so much in demand among Saudi high officials that the government has brought out a reprint of its own. Its author, Dore Gold, is a hardline Israeli spokesman. He argues that the "hatred" referred to in the title is rooted in Saudi Arabia's austere brand of Islamic orthodoxy, Wahhabism, which found its most horrific climax in the atrocities of September 11.

The book has further fuelled a Saudi obsession and Arab guessing game known as "who is next?" The next candidate, that is, for the "reform" or "regime change" the Bush administration's neo-conservative hawks - in their drive to reshape the Middle East - will demand now that Saddam Hussein is ousted.

Syria and Iran are likelier targets for the hawks. But the Saudis see good reasons why they too might be targeted. Chief among these is the Israeli factor - their conviction that, for the Bush hawks, a rightwing Israeli agenda is built in to the American one.

"As America's key ally", said Crown Prince Abdullah bin Faisal, "we were Israel's only serious Arab competitor on Palestine's behalf for the ear of American administrations. September 11 gave them the opportunity to break that - to portray us as the kernel of evil and fount of terror."

On Tuesday, the US announced that all but a handful of its troops would be withdrawn from Saudi Arabia, in a dramatic reshaping of its presence in the Gulf region. A withdrawal from the kingdom has long been one of the key demands of Osama bin Laden, but the Pentagon is following its own post-Iraq strategy. It is hard to gauge the eventual impact of the US decision; the only certainty is that it highlights how critical, for the House of Saud's future, the Saudi rulers deem the nature of their links with America to be.

They have long been caught between a dependence on the US and a deeply anti-American Saudi public. The Iraq war brought this contradiction to a head.

While both rulers and ruled share the same fear of what the US might have in store for them, the rulers' response to the war was profoundly - dangerously - different from what mass of Saudis would have liked. The regime sought, as far as it dared, to assist Washington. It did not permit US aircraft to use the key Prince Sultan airbase near Riyadh for combat missions, but the command and control centre there effectively directed the air war. It was the culmination of the deference which Saudi Arabia has shown towards the US since September 11, submitting to pressures for "cultural" reform in such sensitive areas as "hate-breeding" religious textbooks, or urging more tolerance from a ferociously orthodox clergy.

With the war over and the hated Saddam gone, the House of Saud clearly decided the time was ripe to conciliate its own public - and in conditions which do not further antagonise Washington. It feared a continued US presence would become a growing source of trouble.

Suzerainty

For the Saudis fear that what comes after the war could be as bad as the war itself - that the more blatantly exploitative and colonial the American suzerainty over Iraq turns out to be, the more the Iraqis will seek to liberate themselves from their "liberators". "I fear a far graver Arab Afghanistan ahead, and ourselves right next to it," an economist, Abdul Aziz Dakheel, said. A regime that sided with a US occupier in conflict with an Iraq without Saddam would be very unpopular.

Popular solidarity with Iraq could well take a violent, religious form. Bin Ladenist sentiment has declined since September 11, but the war gave it a new lease of life. "From the militant Islamists' standpoint, it is time for jihad against the infidel aggressor," said Abdul Aziz Qasim, a lawyer close to the militants.

"All depends on how the Iraqi situation evolves," said another Islamist, Muhsin Awaji. "The extremists are a volcano ready to erupt, and I fear they will target any westerners." And they would send guerrillas into Iraq itself.

Any such jihad would, in effect, be aimed at the Saudi government. For it is not just religious fanaticism and anti-Americanism that wins al-Qaida-style militants' sympathy among a wider public that would otherwise oppose their violence. It is a generalised discontent with the government. "As well as being a continuous source of anger at the west, Palestine was always a symptom of the Arabs' frustration with their own systems - and now you have Iraq added to that," said a western diplomat.

By getting rid of US forces, al-Qaida's key demand - the Saudi regime is stealing some of its thunder.

Yet, bases or no bases, the regime's central dilemma will endure so long as Palestinian and Iraqi miseries do. And with them, Arab hatred of America.

The dilemma for the House of Saud is that jihadist militancy is doctrinally justified by the self-same Wahhabism which, as interpreted by the official clergy, promotes the notion of the people's absolute loyalty to the Islamically approved ruler. It is hard for it to combat one manifestation of Wahhabism without undermining the other - and ultimately its own legitimacy. "So it simply must reform and build its legitimacy on a whole new foundation: democracy," said Tawfiq al-Sugahiry, a moderate Islamist.

Crown Prince Abdullah has clear reformist inclinations. But he is blocked by a rival clan around the mentally incapacitated King Fahd, the leading members of which seem to fear that any serious change will lead to the demise of the whole regime.

The increased popularity the crown prince will derive from the removal of US forces will strengthen his reformist hand. If things go well, that will rob the neo-conservatives in the Bush administration of their key interventionist pretext. If things go badly, the removal of US forces will make no difference to America's will or ability to intervene in the kingdom, since it is retaining enough military muscle in the immediate vicinity.

The question the Saudis don't know the answer to is whether it would intervene to protect the regime, or sacrifice it on the altar of its grand, unfolding, Israel-friendly, Middle East design.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hatredskingdom; next; saudiarabia
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1 posted on 04/30/2003 8:30:05 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
It's fun playing eeny, meenie, miney, moe with Arab dictators. Keeps them on their toes.
2 posted on 04/30/2003 8:32:32 PM PDT by John Lenin (History will be kind to me for I intend to write it)
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To: Pokey78
Saudis wonder, will they be next?

How paranoid can you get?

First: Syria
Second: The Lebanon:
Third Iran
Fourth: Saudi Arabia.

They need to learn to wait their turn.

So9

3 posted on 04/30/2003 8:33:04 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: Pokey78
Saudi, Syria, Iran, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Russia, China, France, Germany... Canada... you're ALL next!!!
4 posted on 04/30/2003 8:33:45 PM PDT by Anamensis (I can dream, can't I?)
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To: Pokey78
Wondering....


5 posted on 04/30/2003 8:35:39 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Pokey78
We don't really NEED a NEXT. If we're successful in building a republic in Iraq, the repressive Arab regimes are ALL GONE, and they jolly well know it.

RX for Iraq: Constitution FIRST, elections AFTER. No Islamic state.
6 posted on 04/30/2003 8:37:38 PM PDT by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: John Lenin
It is fun, isn't it? Oh, such dark fantasies I have:

"House of Saud, on the count of three I'm blowing you up! One... BOOM!!! Yeah, I lied."

7 posted on 04/30/2003 8:38:20 PM PDT by Anamensis (Patience is a virtue, but it ain't one of mine!)
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To: Pokey78
I think we have to go after the Saudi's and some point, to get our bases back. But I really think Cuba should be next.
8 posted on 04/30/2003 8:43:19 PM PDT by Duke Nukum ([T]he only true mystery is that our very lives are governed by dead people.)
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To: Pokey78
Yes, oh yes!

Wahabbism is the fetid stinking rotten core of what is wrong with the Middle East. Cut out the cancer and the healing can begin.

9 posted on 04/30/2003 8:43:31 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Pokey78
The way to bring about reform in SA is to cut the allowances of most of the royal family. Too much money in one spot. That money should be spent on bringing in industry and putting the people to work, improving their lives (they'd be amazed how their self-esteem would be raised if they brought home a paycheck). It would also keep the people so busy working and living life they wouldn't have the time or energy to worry about jihad.
10 posted on 04/30/2003 8:53:54 PM PDT by McGavin999
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The royal family has literally HUNDREDS of princes living off the country's oil. I rather liked the idea put forth recently that would spread Iraq's oil money among the population - now THAT would have put the fear of Allah in the Saudi princes!!!
11 posted on 04/30/2003 8:59:54 PM PDT by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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To: Pokey78
They have long been caught between a dependence on the US and a deeply anti-American Saudi public. The Iraq war brought this contradiction to a head.

IMO Saudi Arabia doesn't need "regime change" - it needs "people change" damn it!

We're okay with any Saudi government - dictatorial or otherwise - as long as it fundamentally respects US power and sells us oil. On the other hand, how much longer should we tolerate the vehement anti-Americanism of the Saudi public - you know, the 80-90% of Saudis who still think OBL's cause is just?

12 posted on 04/30/2003 9:01:15 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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"As well as being a continuous source of anger at the west, Palestine was always a symptom of the Arabs' frustration with their own systems - and now you have Iraq added to that," said a western diplomat.

Yeah, because it has been the policy of Arab 'leaders' to use Israel as a scapegoat to take the attention of their people off the fact that they are living in a tyrannical hellhole.

Ever notice that the root of the word 'diplomat' is 'dip'...?

13 posted on 04/30/2003 9:05:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Pokey78
I think this reporter has got it exactly backwards. I don't think the Saudis threw us out - I think we pulled out.

And for very good reason. We now have plenty of alternatives for basing our forces in the Middle East. Pulling out means we are not beholden to them in any way. When Iraqi oil gets pumping, we and the rest of the world won't be dependent on Saudi oil either.

At that point, we can sit back and let the unrest begin. The House of Saud is doomed (thank goodness) and we just need to be patient enough for it to collapse. Hopefully by then, they will have a free, democratic, and prosperous neighbor, and their people will not be so eager to saddle themselves with another autocratic, corrupt regime.
14 posted on 04/30/2003 9:05:51 PM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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"September 11 gave them the opportunity to break that - to portray us as the kernel of evil and fount of terror."

Nice imagery, there, Prince!

Memo to Bush Speechwriters - this sounds like future State of the Union Address material.

15 posted on 04/30/2003 9:14:25 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Destroy the Elitist Democrat Guard and the Fedayeen Clinton using the smart bombs of truth!)
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To: Pokey78
Wow, Abdullah is the second Arab leader (after boy Assad) to all of a sudden be remade in the media as "reform minded" in the wake of Iraq's liberation. Seems to me that's a very good sign.
16 posted on 04/30/2003 9:34:06 PM PDT by ellery
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To: Pokey78
preposterous...
17 posted on 04/30/2003 9:35:17 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Pokey78
Yet, bases or no bases, the regime's central dilemma will endure so long as Palestinian and Iraqi miseries do. And with them, Arab hatred of America.

Absurd statement. If Iraq and "Palestine" become Switzerland tomorrow their hatred would not abate. They hate us because we are different, powerful, are women are not pieces of property.

The Arabs are the cultural equivalent of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They externalize all of their problems and faults and are consumed by hatred and jealosy.

Nothing is going to satiate their hatred until their culture is transformed by "western enlightenment."

18 posted on 04/30/2003 9:36:38 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: Pokey78
The Saudi's don't have a military to speak of. A morning exercise.
19 posted on 04/30/2003 9:54:40 PM PDT by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Syria tried to butt in line but Korea is next.
20 posted on 04/30/2003 10:16:23 PM PDT by 411 freedom fighter
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