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Franks may face war crimes charge
The Guardian (U.K.) ^
| 04/30/03
| Ian Black
Posted on 04/29/2003 7:49:11 PM PDT by Pokey78
Belgium under pressure to amend law allowing case to proceed
Belgium is coming under pressure from the US to block a potentially explosive war crimes case against General Tommy Franks, commander of coalition forces in Iraq.
Jan Fermon, a Brussels lawyer, confirmed yesterday that 19 Iraqi plaintiffs were seeking to bring charges that would name the general and other US soldiers who had allegedly committed crimes.
Mr Fermon claimed there were 17 violations of Belgium's controversial 1993 war crimes law, which allowed universal jurisdiction until it was amended early this month.
The legal move could prove embarrassing for the government of Guy Verhofstadt, who opposed the war in Iraq along with France and Germany, and is now seeking to mend fences with the US.
Recent high-profile cases based on the law against Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon, and the former US president George Bush drew heavy criticism, although a Belgian court appeared to kill off the case against Mr Sharon last year when it declared that he could not be tried because he was not physically present in Belgium.
But this attempt may be more about publicity than justice. Changes to the law allows Belgium to refer foreigners facing war crimes charges to their own governments if these are democracies.
The new version also allows the judiciary to reject complaints filed by plaintiffs who have lived in Belgium for less than three years or those in which the victim or the alleged perpetrator was not a Belgian.
Complaints will be investigated only if the public prosecutor's office decides Belgium is the right place to deal with the matter. Officials say that will be the exception not the rule.
But a US state department spokesman said: "We believe the Belgian government needs to be diligent in taking steps to prevent abuse of the legal system for political ends."
Mr Fermon claimed to be "optimistic" that his claim would be accepted under the new rules. "We have a very specific case, with specific evidence," he said. "I do not see how they can reject it."
Alleged crimes include the failure of US troops to prevent the looting of hospitals in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein, as well as a shooting incident on a Red Crescent ambulance.
Another claim involves the alleged US bombing of a crowded market in Baghdad, which Iraqi officials claimed killed more than 60 people.
Evidence including video footage and interviews was gathered by two Belgian doctors who were in Baghdad during the war.
Some 30 genocide cases have been lodged in Belgium including ones against Yasser Arafat, Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ambulance; belgium; hospitals; looting; redcrescent; tommyfranks; verhofstadt; warcrime; warcrimes
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posted on
04/29/2003 7:49:12 PM PDT
by
Pokey78
To: Pokey78
Belgium is coming under pressure from the US to block a potentially explosive war crimes case against General Tommy Franks, commander of coalition forces in Iraq. Pressure. How is this for pressure. Any action against Franks will be considered an act of war.
You want to rumble, Belgium
To: Pokey78
I love moral equivalency..I think Belgium must be aware of the consequences of this legal action.
3
posted on
04/29/2003 7:52:24 PM PDT
by
MEG33
To: Pokey78
I have just four words for Belgium!! Make My Day, PUNKS!!
4
posted on
04/29/2003 7:54:26 PM PDT
by
Madcelt
(Warning! The aerial bombing campaign of the Axis powers will commence within the hour!!)
To: Pokey78
Such mischievous little waffle-monkeys!
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posted on
04/29/2003 7:54:31 PM PDT
by
dighton
(Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique, Vulgar Horde)
To: MEG33
Put the whole Belgian nation of trial for the horror that was the Belgian Congo.
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posted on
04/29/2003 7:54:49 PM PDT
by
xkaydet65
To: Pokey78
General Franks should only vacation in Belgium with his co-workers from Ft Stewart, GA, Ft Campbell, KY, Camp Pendelton, CA, and Seymour-Johnson AFB, NC.
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posted on
04/29/2003 8:00:18 PM PDT
by
spectre
To: Pokey78
Yo, Belgian waffle-heads! EFF OFF!!! This is exactly why the US should NOT be signing any of those International Criminal Court-type treaties (and why I am not a diplomat;)
To: dubyaismypresident
Where and what is Belgium anyway? They have not been able to defend their own borders for 2000 years. The idea that they can police the world is both ludicrous and pathetic. They can't control sexual abuse of their own children in their own country! Why we would or should be allied with Belgium for any reason in the 21st century demands inquiry.
Les Belgiques son freaques magnifiques!
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posted on
04/29/2003 8:01:53 PM PDT
by
mathurine
To: dighton
PLEASE let's not pi$$ off Belgium. We will then raise the ire of Luxembourg - a rising power in the French surrender league now forming. Think of the children!
To: mathurine
Where and what is Belgium anyway? Being that it is France's Mini-Me, I'm going to say it's near France.
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posted on
04/29/2003 8:02:59 PM PDT
by
NeoCaveman
(Belgium is France's mini-me)
To: Pokey78
This post should be sent to anyone still thinking we should still be part of the World Court. There are at present 280,000,000 +/- souls living in the US. There may still be 5 or 6 who think we should sign onto the World Court thing........
To: Pokey78
Belium sure has an exaggerated sense of self-importance.
13
posted on
04/29/2003 8:03:55 PM PDT
by
Mr. Mojo
To: Mr. Mojo
Belium = Belgium
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posted on
04/29/2003 8:05:01 PM PDT
by
Mr. Mojo
To: Pokey78
This from a country which has bribed the jihadis with anything they want as long as they leave Belgium alone--selling Belgian passports and even "losing" 2,000 if them. PIGS!!!
To: Pokey78
Franks may face war crimes charge. There are two kinds of people in the world.
Accorss country boundaries, races and religions, it's us against them and they -- suck!
The highest concetrations of "them" can be found in Russia, France, Hollywood, CNN newsrooms, "Palestine" and now, the courts of Brussels. None of them are worthy enough to lick Franks boots.
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posted on
04/29/2003 8:05:52 PM PDT
by
FreeReign
(V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
To: dubyaismypresident
A group of Iraquis, that General Franks freed from torture and death camps, need to request the US Courts to issue arrest warrants for all Belgium government leaders for providing support to Saddam. They are clearly guilty of aiding and abetting crimes against humanity.
To: Pokey78
Belgium ..... how many divisions do they have?
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posted on
04/29/2003 8:06:39 PM PDT
by
HoustonCurmudgeon
(Compassionate Conservative Curmudgeon)
To: Pokey78
Remember that Belgium wrote their own law granting themselves that power.
Now, what would happen if we wrote our own law that empowered us to
.
Oh EXCUSE ME, only socialist countries can make up international laws to suit themselves.
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posted on
04/29/2003 8:07:23 PM PDT
by
Nip
("You can run; but then you'll only die tired" - Spectre T-shirt Logo)
To: Mr. Mojo
We need to get out of the UN and any nation where a gang of fools reside. Look at Arafat, Iran, Syria and all of the other wicked leaders, and it seems that they just live on and on. Look at the terrorist groups; do you see anyone of them headed for any trial?
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posted on
04/29/2003 8:08:04 PM PDT
by
tessalu
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