Posted on 04/29/2003 12:37:19 PM PDT by presidio9
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Let me translate into "bigotspeak" what Sen. Rick Santorum meant when he compared gays to bigamists, polygamists and practitioners of incest and adultery.
Translated: Hey, I place you in the same category as all those scummy people I just mentioned. Oh, and if you act on who you are, you're also a criminal.
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Actually, emotional abuse can and does develop physical symptoms and imperil ones life. Why do you think so many gays commit suicide? Is it because they are emotionally healthy?
I don't think you should keep your beliefs silent, but this is about outlawing conduct that you find repulsive and immoral.
Actually, it's about teaching the conduct to children. It's also about creating a new law to create a legal relationship that does not currently exist.
I know there are some who want to create anti-sodomy laws. I don't. I don't see any particular need to try to remove them, but I would not fight that. I don't want to see the definition of marriage, which has existed for millennia, changed. I think we should be honest when speaking about homoerotic attraction that it is a sign of mental illness, but I am not ready to call for outlawing it.
Shalom.
Actually you are a bit off there, and you mistake is a common one among libertarians on this website. FR is a conservative forum. Its mission is to rally the Republican party towards a Conservative stance on issues such as abortion, patriotism, school choice, et cetera. Since there certainly seem to be a lot of libertarians here, maybe you should think about starting a website of your own (not meant as an insult). But I suspect the WOD obsessed libertarians you speak of would quickly make such a website tiresome. They are the reason I have no patience for libertarianism in general. Your personal motives may be pure jmc, but they are very attractive to idiots as well.
One more thing to keep in mind is, according to libertarian philosiphy, Roe v. Wade falls into the same category as the case which is the subject of this thread. IOW, the ruling was unconstitutional, and each state should decide its own abortion policies. Do you not think that this would be a step up from where we currently are?
Any legislation that reduces the frequency of abortion in this country is a step in the right direction. The currently being debated 24-hour waiting period is (suprise, supries) Texas is a great example. Abortion will probably never be legal in NYC, but there are plenty of states in the country that see abortion as a flat-out abomination and they may soon get their wish. Illegal abortion in Ireland was not produced mythical "back-alley" abortion clinics or a plague of child mother injuring themselves with coathangers. And neither will it happen here. I'll just have to learn to live with the fact that New Yorkers are ethnically cleansing (geographically cleansing) themselves.
It is society's fault, you jerk. Gay men have a low self-image because evil homophobes such as yourself have failed to embrace the beauty of the homsexual sex act. Only when gay love is recognized as equal to natural man-woman love will we truely be able to say we live in a free enlightened society.
In these days of celebration for every deviation from normal behavior that exists, I want to declare myself in as unambiguous and clear statement as is possible. I am, by every conceivable definition, a walking, talking, thinking, breathing, homophobe!I believe that living a lifestyle with people who, by their own actions create an environment so abhorrent to the average person, that they are repulsive to normal society. The average homosexual, practicing their sexual preferences lives so dangerous a lifestyle, that they die on average 20 years younger than others of similar age. Gay men for instance experience so many debilitating and life threatening diseases, and their quality of life diminishes so early that medical science cannot keep up with the metamorphosis of their unique problems.
Read this and weep!
Men who have sex with men and boys have caused AIDS, and HIV, which are attacking increasingly younger boys at such an alarming rate, that the most optimistic forecast is that we have now entered a new and more deadly epidemic affecting our nation's children, and that the more tolerant this society becomes, the greater the risk and younger the victims have become.see: 1994 revised classification system for human immunodeficiency virus infection in children less than 13 years of age. Health risk behaviors among school-aged adolescents who do and do not attend school--United States, 1992. Many Aids patients, by definition are serial murders, by secretly, and knowingly passing on a lethal infection that is fatal in each and every instance, and leaving that contaminated partner a loose cannon to repeat the crime.Read this and weep!
By definition, AIDS patients are walking time bombs of massive contagious epidemics, diseases thought to be eradicated years ago are re emerging with the presence of AIDS and related HIV exposure. Tuberculosis, once recently thought to be whipped because of years of preventive health measures and isolation and mandatory track had stopped the threat, has returned with a vengeance, with new strains, and deadly results caused by spreading AIDS and Homosexual transmission.
Here is the FR mission statement. The Republican Party is not mentioned in it. A snippet from this page...
A return to a strictly Constitutional form of federal government will automatically repeal and abolish all unconstitutional federal involvement in states issues such as: crime, health, education, welfare and the environment. The Tenth Amendment will again be in effect, which will bar all federal attempts at legislating social issues.
Since there certainly seem to be a lot of libertarians here, maybe you should think about starting a website of your own (not meant as an insult). But I suspect the WOD obsessed libertarians you speak of would quickly make such a website tiresome.
The owner of this site has expressed reservations about the federal war on drugs, and has also allowed the RLC forum. Besides, FR is IMO by far the best source of news on the web today. Even if I were a raging leftist, I would read FR, as no other site out there has such a repository of full articles from various sources. Why anyone would want to leave is beyond me, which is why I'll never understand those who go to LP, LF, or any of the other rival sites.
You selfish Libertarian, you! ;-)
Haven't been to Nevada lately, have you? Do me the favor of ignoring my posts in the future, and I will do the same for you. I find your observations very tiresome.
Of course, how could I forget. Stupid of me. Just like the women's movement could stop moving when women partake equally in society with men and would have no need to support wild things like witchcraft and lesbianism.
I must be asleep at the switch.
Shalom.
As is Republicanism. The fact remains, though, that we still agree on MOST issues i.e. 2nd Amendment, taxes, "hate-crime" legislation, etc.
Do me the favor of ignoring my posts in the future, and I will do the same for you. I find your observations very tiresome.
My dear friend, I am drawn to your compassion and your idealistic cause, and by your response to my post to another Freeper.I am a retired Restaurateur, which some might say of some renown, enough to say that most North Americans over 30 have eaten, slept, sailed or dined at a concept, or establishment which I owned managed or affiliated with in some capacity! I retired after 30 difficult but successful years, much earlier than I wanted, because of the ADA, the Americans with Disabilities Act.
In 1978 I simi-retired, however in 1993 after 15 years of retirement, and only out of boredom, I opened a popular white table clothed, moderately priced ethnic restaurant, in small regional College country town, 60 miles from a major city. These minor details are important inasmuch as they demonstrate the dimension of the problem!
Shortly after a very successful opening, I was called and informed that a major problem had developed that demanded my and our senior legal advisors' immediate personal attention! We had experienced a walk out, involving all of the kitchen staff, because an employee working in the food preparation area was a full blown AIDS patient, suffering from a host of communicable diseases, the least of which was Tuberculosis (TB)! The staff had complained that;
1) working in close proximity to co-worker who was visibly and demonstrably ill, with a highly contagious disease, was not within any reasonably safe working condition, which they were expected to work,
2) they were correctly concerned that the public was at risk of a indeterminate number of serious health threats.These employees were for the most part college students and working single parents, with a few after school busboys! The rest of the staff was adult food and beverage professionals, which had worked for me (specialty opening staff members) for years!
We employed a total staff of 92 employees!
The college kids were what you would expect, young middle-class, semi low income, hardworking family offspring, and progressive thinkers in their own lives, no outward personal agendas. Once confronted with this dilemma they, at my suggestion, opted to listen to a suitable solution, one that would no longer endanger themselves, and not further punish the sick employee! I was to my shock, informed that I, as well as my family estate, could be held liable for lawsuits for any personal involvement I took, giving tacit agreement that we were accountable for any illnesses resulting from their working for me!
Over the strenuous objection of my loyal legal advisors, I promised to personally monitor their individual health for a at least, an incubation period, one that a highly respected professor had assured them was reasonable, considering the current medical condition of the subject AIDS patient!
A happy ending? One would think because I had an agreement with the sick kid, a Gay 19 yr. recovering heroin addict, obviously in the worse of the dreadfully hideous outward symptoms of the disease, oozing open sores, uncontrollable hacking cough, and serious weight loss. The boy agreed to become our herb garden keeper, and errand runner, working at his own pace at a slightly higher salary, and no deductions for medical reasons, including wariness of complications! However, the following week I was contacted that the employee, accompanied by a Community Aids Counselor demanding that the employee be given his previous job back, as well as a demand that any special conditions imposed upon him, if not required by the entire staff, such as a facial mask, or tight fitting special gloves, would be actionable as well as publicly and personally, stupid!
The smarmy visitor, told me to review the latest ADA, EEOC, CDC, and Labor Laws, before I acted, and that special consideration had been given me, because of my concerned approach I had taken with the sick kid! After a full review of all possible affects of these new stipulations, especially regarding HIV, AIDS, and Addictions, I was dead, and unless I wanted to spend every dime and each waking hour I have left I had better accept this kind offer, or any other that could be worked out, as well as any other exposure I might have re: the staffs health. Also any deals which were cut would be temporary at best, and subject to all the individuals future legal advice!!
A successful defense would be impossible, and too costly, which I'm so sorry I proved. I refused to make a suggested contribution to the local Hospice, but did make a private lump sum cash settlement with the dying kids' family, with a full understanding that it was an overly generous 1 time offer, that was withdrawn unequivocally in 5 minutes! It was accepted. The professor assisted in monitoring the health of the college students, for more than a reasonable length of time, and with a few attempts at extortion, and with my assurance that any claim arising for health problems would not only covered, but challenged openly, contested in the courts and media with all my dwindling but ample resources!
I ended up spending a fortune in legal fees, settlements, and court costs for the bankruptcy of my company, the company I started in a storefront 30 years earlier, and devoted my whole life. I spent my innocent youth giving thousands of jobs and pricey careers, supported with rich benefits unique in our industry, working when everyone else was at there leisure, 7 days a week including holidays.
I missed the family life I worked so hard to furnish others with total self-sacrifice, giving up the early years of my own children, and the attention a faithful and loving wife deserves, in the end I lost it all, all but the children! All the folks who with me, gave their dedication and their youth to assist me in accomplishing what all of us aspired, but were too tired to enjoy when we achieve it, I miss them each and every day. All the first jobs I offered to frightened battered and weary housewives and fathers, financial basket cases, slowly lifting them out of the dead-end lives, all the special memories that seem to surface now and then when I really need it! It's over, all gone! If your thinking all this was an overblown story, it has been documented in countless court testimony, and industry lore!
What was this all about, all the pain, the worry, the out of work employees, all the years of work, all for some sick agenda!
Three years later I held my 28 year old nephew, a 98 lb human gargole, while he slowly and grothequely died of AIDS, that had withered from a 198 lbs, handsome, aspiring, talented young man that I had watched grow.
So after 30 some years, 56 restaurants, hotels, and cruise ship, I am writing nasty posts that you question... try to talk your trash to someone else. My life and those of oh so many more are almost destroyed so a very few can pervert humanity... go figure!!!
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