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Nothing + Nobody + Eons = Particles + Laws + Chance = The Deaf, Dumb and Blind Faith of the Fundamentalist Fossil Thumpers. Deafened by it's own shrill rants, it became too dumb to know the difference between theory and conjecture, and too blind to design.

CREATION : EVOLUTIONARY ARROGANCE (SHAMAN ALERT)

One of their communicants, in fact, calls them its "shamans." He says,

We show deference to our leaders, pay respect to our elders and follow the dictates of our shamans; this being the Age of Science, it is scien-tism's shamans who command our veneration. . . . scientists [are] the premier mythmakers of our time.1

The investment of these leaders of the evolutionary faith with such pontifical authority, however, tends to generate in them an attitude of profound impatience with such heresies as creationism. Instead of opposing the creationists with scientific proofs of macroevolution, they resort to name-calling and ridicule. A professor at a Missouri university fulminates at the "lunatic literalism of the creationists,"4 especially "the weirdness produced by leaders such as Henry M. Morris."5

And even such an articulate and highly revered evolutionist as the late Stephen Jay Gould, in a voluminous book of 1433 pages published just before his death, referred angrily to "the scourge of creationism."6 He had refused many invitations to debate a qualified creationist scientist with the self-serving and misleading explanation that it would be a mistake to dignify creationism and its scientists in this way.

Dr. Massimo Pigliucci, who has lost a number of debates with Dr. Gish and other creationists, laments the fact that, "many Americans are still enchanted with dinosaurs such as John Morris and Duane Gish of the oxymoronically named Institute for Creation Research."7

Although Dr. Gould would never debate a creationist scientist, despite the inducement of large financial incentives to do so, he was quick to criticize them in print, calling them "fundamentalists who call themselves `creation scientists,' with their usual mixture of cynicism and ignorance."8 Gould often resorted, in fact, to the standard debate technique of name-calling and ad hominem arguments commonly used when one has no factual evidence to support his position.

One writer laments that even after the pope reaffirmed the commitment of the Catholic Church to evolution in 1996,

40 percent of American Catholics in a 2001 Gallup poll said they believed that God created human life in the past 10,000 years. Indeed, fully 45 percent of all Americans subscribe to this creationist view.12

But why would the public favor creation? Only a statistical minority of the "general public" attends church and Sunday school. Could it possibly be that evolution is so contrary to evidence and common sense that people intuitively know that evolution is wrong? And could it be that many of these have studied the evidences for themselves and thereby found that evolution is not really scientific after all?

Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner? Forrest Turpen, executive director of Christian Educators Association International, says it is obvious the evolution-only advocates feel their ideology and livelihood are being threatened.

Media Bias Stifles Creationists' Scientific Findings, Perspective He explains that the secular media -- which he describes as atheistic and anti-Christian -- publishes most anything it can that appears to indoctrinate people and "hits against the Bible."

Loosening Darwin's GripA poll released in May 2002 by Zogby International found that nearly eight out of every 10 Ohioans supported the teaching of intelligent design in classrooms where Darwinian evolution also is taught. A survey by The Plain Dealer newspaper in Cleveland offered similar findings: 74 percent of Ohioans said evidence for and against evolution should be taught in science classrooms, while 59 percent said intelligent design should be included in origins study.

Intelligently Designed Films The two videos complement each other well. Unlocking the Mystery of Life develops all of Intelligent Design's major molecular-based arguments for an "intelligent cause" of life's complexity, and thus presents the positive case. Icons of Evolution, on the other hand, spotlights the problems of Darwinism: its censorship of key scientific information in public schools, and the scientific misinformation it spreads through public textbooks.

How Does the World View of the Scientist & the Clinician Influence Their Work?

Does the world view of the scientist influence his work as an investigator conducting research and as a clinician treating patients? Many scholars in the history of science would answer that question with a resounding "Yes." Some, like Thomas Kuhn in his widely quoted "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions," have argued that the scientific process is less than an objective critical empirical investigation of the facts. They claim the work of scientists is greatly influenced by their culture, by social and psychological environment, by what Kuhn calls the "paradigm"--that is to say, the preferred or prevailing theories, methods and studies of that particular discipline, and above all by their world view--their specific beliefs about "the order of nature." Kuhn writes that two scientists with different views of the "order of nature" . . . see different things when they look from the same point in the same direction . . . they see different things and they see them in different relations to each other." And we might add that they tend to see and to accept those data that conform to or make sense in light of their world view. So evidence exists that the world view of scientists and the presuppositions that view implies may influence not only the problems scientists choose to investigate but also what they actually observe and fail to observe.

1 posted on 04/29/2003 10:43:39 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Texas Tech University biology professor Michael Dini recently came under fire for refusing to write letters of recommendation

These are not required to graduate, nor are they required to continue your education. If he refused to 'sponsor' a Masters, or PhD; you'd have a case. Anyone may refuse to write a letter of recommendation to anyone, for any reason, or no reason. Granted, he's acting like a jerk; but he has the right to do so.

2 posted on 04/29/2003 10:51:09 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Remedy
Darwinism is a radical religious cult that is afraid of scientific reason
3 posted on 04/29/2003 10:53:03 AM PDT by ibme
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To: Remedy
In the beginning there was the unholy trinity of the particles, the unthinking and unfeeling laws of physics, and chance. Together they accidentally made the amino acids which later began to live and to breathe. Then the living, breathing entities began to imagine. And they imagined God. But then they discovered science and then science produced Darwin. Later Darwin discovered evolution and the scientists discarded God.

Total strawman. This is not the theory of evolution. Some evolutionists are atheists, but many are believers. Evolution may be inconsistent with a hyperliteral reading of Genesis 1-2, but is in no other way inconsistent with a belief in God or creation.

7 posted on 04/29/2003 11:54:32 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
Another wild and whacky ping.

[This ping list is for the evolution -- not creationism -- side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. To be added (or dropped), let me know via freepmail.]

13 posted on 04/29/2003 12:09:49 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Remedy
YEC read later
17 posted on 04/29/2003 12:16:26 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Remedy
To some observers, its study has largely become a hollow exercise whereby atheists teach other atheists to blindly follow Darwin without asking any difficult questions.

Great line, Remedy.

22 posted on 04/29/2003 12:18:08 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Remedy
specific proof of their assertion that the origin of all species can be traced to primordial soup.

Article proves its ignorance right here. The writer is clearly too ignorant of evolution to have any credibility regarding it.
35 posted on 04/29/2003 12:36:39 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Remedy
Professor Dini was accused of engaging in overt religious discrimination..

Anti-evolution is NOT religous based .... except when it is useful.

News Alert

Baghdad Bob refuses to take top anti-evolutionist PR position. Bob is quoted as saying "Being a spokesman for anti-evolution would ruin my creditability."

50 posted on 04/29/2003 12:55:25 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Remedy
My god man, when will you give it up? You live in a knowledge vacuum, plain and simple. This is not an "ad hominem attack," but rather one of the facts that you creationists supposedly search for...

From the poorly written article:
"And we should do so in an open public forum whenever the opportunity presents itself."

As has been stated here a million times, scientific debate is not meant for public spectacle. Truth be told, it's a tedious, boring exercise detailing minute facts, written out over tens of thousands of pages in hundreds of texts, journals, online resources, museum placards, etc. Get with it. "Debating" a showman like Duane Gish is pure folly. Gould knew this, which is why he discouraged it. Gish would simply spew 35 fallacies allowing minimal time to answer part of one, and declare himself a winner. Again, it's stupid. Anything on the ICR website is easily refuted by an 11th grade honors student in writing, but even Gould couldn't keep up with Gish's sideshow on a stage. It is just a waste of time to do so.

From the poorly written article:
"Recently, I asked Dr. Dini for that proof. He didn’t respond."

And why should he? Do you respond to the junk email you get on a daily basis? Do you hit reply and write, "No thanks, I don't currently have a need to see teenage girls in all their carnal glory, thanks." Believe me, creation garbage is akin to this... pure nonsense that doesn't warrant a response. (So why am I doing it? ; )

From the poorly written article:
"Dini’s silence as well as the silence of other evolutionists speaks volumes about the current status of the discipline of biology."

Yes, "silence." /sarcasm> Let's take a trip to the Library of congress and add up the silence of 150 years of research, books, journals, magazines, texts, tomes, treatises, proposals, and reference materials. Lets put all this "silence" on one side of a scale and gather up the AiG and ICR and their ilk's cute little pocket paperback lie-filled garbage and see. "Silence" indeed.

Do yourself a favor, Remedy, and remove thy head from thine posterior.
55 posted on 04/29/2003 1:02:00 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: Remedy
Nice try, John Paul II, never, ever "eaffirmed the commitment of the Catholic Church to evolution in 1996"....

I get real sick and tired of people claiming that, when in fact it never happened.
82 posted on 04/29/2003 1:34:00 PM PDT by RomanCatholicProlifer
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To: Remedy
I would like to state this thread and the discussions within has made this board more stupider.
122 posted on 04/29/2003 4:56:54 PM PDT by Saturnalia
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To: Remedy
What about this Bible story, Genesis 30?

37 And Jacob took him rods of green poplar, and of the hazel and chesnut tree; and pilled white strakes in them, and made the white appear which was in the rods.
38 And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink.
39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
40 And Jacob did separate the lambs, and set the faces of the flocks toward the ringstraked, and all the brown in the flock of Laban; and he put his own flocks by themselves, and put them not unto Laban's cattle.
41 And it came to pass, whensoever the stronger cattle did conceive, that Jacob laid the rods before the eyes of the cattle in the gutters, that they might conceive among the rods.
42 But when the cattle were feeble, he put them not in: so the feebler were Laban's, and the stronger Jacob's.

This sure sounds like the theory of survival of the fittest.

-PJ

228 posted on 04/30/2003 4:51:29 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: All
bmp for later reading
233 posted on 04/30/2003 5:14:33 PM PDT by HalfFull
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To: Remedy
I'm convinced Darwinism is a yuppy religion. The way they defend it is the way people defend a religion, and not the way anybody defends a scientific theory. The word "professor" apparently once meant someone who professes a (then Christian) creed, and this guy Dini seems to be trying to restore that age and situation, only using his own creed, which is Darwinism.
263 posted on 05/01/2003 7:21:59 AM PDT by merak
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To: Remedy
From the article, Dini is "claiming that someone who rejects the most important theory in biology cannot properly practice medicine"

On this basis, Dr. Bill Frist, cardiac surgeon and Senate Majority Leader, is unfit to practice medicine.

The grateful recipients of his heart transplant surgies might disagree...

528 posted on 05/15/2003 1:43:04 PM PDT by Cordova Belle ("America is great because she is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.")
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To: Remedy
" "How do you think the human species originated?"

The correct answer is:

"Scientifically speaking, we don't know."

539 posted on 05/15/2003 2:33:58 PM PDT by cookcounty
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