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The Dini-gration of Darwinism
AgapePress ^ | April 29, 2003 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 04/29/2003 10:43:39 AM PDT by Remedy

Texas Tech University biology professor Michael Dini recently came under fire for refusing to write letters of recommendation for students unable to "truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer" to the following question: "How do you think the human species originated?"

For asking this question, Professor Dini was accused of engaging in overt religious discrimination. As a result, a legal complaint was filed against Dini by the Liberty Legal Institute. Supporters of the complaint feared that consequences of the widespread adoption of Dini’s requirement would include a virtual ban of Christians from the practice of medicine and other related fields.

In an effort to defend his criteria for recommendation, Dini claimed that medicine was first rooted in the practice of magic. Dini said that religion then became the basis of medicine until it was replaced by science. After positing biology as the science most important to the study of medicine, he also posited evolution as the "central, unifying principle of biology" which includes both micro- and macro-evolution, which applies to all species.

In addition to claiming that someone who rejects the most important theory in biology cannot properly practice medicine, Dini suggested that physicians who ignore or neglect Darwinism are prone to making bad clinical decisions. He cautioned that a physician who ignores data concerning the scientific origins of the species cannot expect to remain a physician for long. He then rhetorically asked the following question: "If modern medicine is based on the method of science, then how can someone who denies the theory of evolution -- the very pinnacle of modern biological science -- ask to be recommended into a scientific profession by a professional scientist?"

In an apparent preemptive strike against those who would expose the weaknesses of macro-evolution, Dini claimed that "one can validly refer to the ‘fact’ of human evolution, even if all of the details are not yet known." Finally, he cautioned that a good scientist "would never throw out data that do not conform to their expectations or beliefs."

The legal aspect of this controversy ended this week with Dini finally deciding to change his recommendation requirements. But that does not mean it is time for Christians to declare victory and move on. In fact, Christians should be demanding that Dini’s question be asked more often in the court of public opinion. If it is, the scientific community will eventually be indicted for its persistent failure to address this very question in scientific terms.

Christians reading this article are already familiar with the creation stories found in the initial chapters of Genesis and the Gospel of John. But the story proffered by evolutionists to explain the origin of the species receives too little attention and scrutiny. In his two most recent books on evolution, Phillip Johnson gives an account of evolutionists’ story of the origin of the human species which is similar to the one below:

In the beginning there was the unholy trinity of the particles, the unthinking and unfeeling laws of physics, and chance. Together they accidentally made the amino acids which later began to live and to breathe. Then the living, breathing entities began to imagine. And they imagined God. But then they discovered science and then science produced Darwin. Later Darwin discovered evolution and the scientists discarded God.

Darwinists, who proclaim themselves to be scientists, are certainly entitled to hold this view of the origin of the species. But that doesn’t mean that their view is, therefore, scientific. They must be held to scientific standards requiring proof as long as they insist on asking students to recite these verses as a rite of passage into their "scientific" discipline.

It, therefore, follows that the appropriate way to handle professors like Michael Dini is not to sue them but, instead, to demand that they provide specific proof of their assertion that the origin of all species can be traced to primordial soup. In other words, we should pose Dr. Dini’s question to all evolutionists. And we should do so in an open public forum whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Recently, I asked Dr. Dini for that proof. He didn’t respond.

Dini’s silence as well as the silence of other evolutionists speaks volumes about the current status of the discipline of biology. It is worth asking ourselves whether the study of biology has been hampered by the widespread and uncritical acceptance of Darwinian principles. To some observers, its study has largely become a hollow exercise whereby atheists teach other atheists to blindly follow Darwin without asking any difficult questions.

At least that seems to be the way things have evolved.


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KEYWORDS: creatins; creation; crevo; crevolist; darwin; evoloonists; evolunacy; evolution
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To: js1138
>>The question remains, as it always has been, whether people who reject the central paradigm of modern biology, have made signific contributions to modern scientific medicine.<<

That is a change of the central question. Is Dr. Dini exercising his scienfific judgement when he requires a belief in TOE, to qualify pre-med students for med school?

I said no. He is not asking the best questions or availing himself of the expertise on his campus to ask the better questions. He is taking his pet theory (from algae research) and applying it improperly to the practice of medicine. He ignores better questions.

Should a pre med student be able to understand TOE? Heck yes. Should he be able to use it if it somehow becomes appropriate? Heck yes. If the student took a class on Evolutionary Biology from Dr. Dini should he be required to show that he learned it to qualify for a letter? Heck yes.

But did you notice one thing in your reply. You could not even bring yourself to say, "No, I have never asked my physician about TOE." You had to evade it by a vague stipulation.

>>I have said several times that personal beliefs do not make or break one's ability to be a care giver. I believe in legal terms that's called a stipulation.<<

Personal beliefs have a great deal to do with one's ability to be a caregiver. I don't want a flat earther, or other kinds of nuts. I don't want a person that believes that death is a perfectly natural thing and won't fight like heck for my survival in the best shape possible. I'm sure there are many other criteria for personal beliefs. But I think there is another force here.

I think you don't want to admit you were wrong about a piece of this. Cool. It was not a debating point. Dr. Dini was not pre-screening cutting edge evolutionary biologists. Some may be, most won't be. They were pre-med students. He let his faith in TOE outweigh his rationality and did not ask the more important questions. That is a violation of the scientific method. TOE is not a make or break question about doctors. You know it, I know it, and everyone here knows it. We don't ask it.

QED


DK
1,861 posted on 05/22/2003 5:39:16 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight
But evolution through natural selection may not be the only choice.

I entertain the possibility that the universe is the unspooling of something like a computer program, with ititial conditions set by something we are incapable of understanding. It looks to me, however like the program includes indeterminancy, and that selection is the specific cause of life's variety.

1,862 posted on 05/22/2003 5:40:42 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Dimensio
Science isn't about the "why". It's about the "how". You're just playing games, trying to make some inexplicable case based on the fact that evolution does not (because it cannot) provide an explanation of "purpose".

Evolution makes no statements regarding whether or not our existence has a purpose. Your constant rewording of the same thing over and over again does not change this fact.

The National Association of Biology Teachers [NABT] in their 1995 Official Statement on Teaching Evolution stated the following:

"The diversity of life [all life] on earth is the outcome of evolution: an unsupervised, impersonal, unpredictable and natural process of temporal descent with genetic modification that is affected by natural selection, chance, historical contingencies and changing environments."

Now, why did they change the statement?

1,863 posted on 05/22/2003 5:46:07 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: longshadow
Would that be He Who Must Not Be Named?
1,864 posted on 05/22/2003 5:54:44 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Dark Knight
TOE is not a make or break question about doctors. You know it, I know it, and everyone here knows it. We don't ask it.

Permit me to butt in here. I freely admit that I've never sat a doctor down and interrogated him about his basic knowledge of biology, including evolution. Nor have I asked if he believes that bacteria and viruses can cause disease, etc. I don't ask because I assume that if he's been through med school, he knows this stuff. In my mind, that's what it means to be a physician these days. I'd be quite surprised if a doctor didn't meet my expectations.

Now if I found myself face-to-face with a doctor whose education was in the Congo, or Borneo, or Haiti, I just might wonder if he had received a modern (by US standards) education. I don't want my doctor jumping up and down and going into a chant to drive the evil spirits out of my body.

But with a US born and trained physician, I think we all assume that he's had a good education, so of course we don't ask. That doesn't mean, however, that it's not important. If I were to somehow learn that my doctor rejected evolution, I would then be concerned about his ability to diagnose a complicated matter.

1,865 posted on 05/22/2003 5:55:49 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Dark Knight
He is not asking the best questions or availing himself of the expertise on his campus to ask the better questions...

It is not a question I would ask under thiose circumstances. I personally think the whole arena of personal recommendations reeks of corruption.But those with good recommendations are likely to be suck-ups, and those without might just be the creative ones. If I were forced to choose among a class of cookie cutter 4.0 pre-med students I would go mad. Perhaps a lottery would work.

1,866 posted on 05/22/2003 6:03:49 PM PDT by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry; balrog666
I don't recall the source of my information, but I believe that Aristotle's reasoning was based on the earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse (timely topic). The shadow was *always* circular. Aristotle reasoned that the earth must be a sphere because a sphere is the only geometric solid that *always* casts a circular shadow.

Actually, IIRC, Pythagoras came up with that argument.

It was a bit of a surprise to me when I read Archimedes' On floating bodies, the first hypothesis is "the surface of a body of water at rest is part of the surface of a sphere centered at the center of the earth".

1,867 posted on 05/22/2003 6:06:46 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: PatrickHenry
If I were to somehow learn that my doctor rejected evolution, I would then be concerned about his ability to diagnose a complicated matter.

And if you heard your doctor discussing the possibilities of a miracle, I suspect you would want a second opinion. ;^)

1,868 posted on 05/22/2003 6:06:51 PM PDT by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry
Some Scientists Think SARS May Have Come from Outer Space

"I think it is a possibility that SARS came from space. It is a very strong possibility," Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe told Reuters.

"I think it is completely nuts," said Dr Anne Bridgen, a molecular virologist at the University of Ulster.

1,869 posted on 05/22/2003 6:11:26 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Virginia-American
Actually, IIRC, Pythagoras came up with that argument.

It was a bit of a surprise to me when I read Archimedes' On floating bodies, the first hypothesis is "the surface of a body of water at rest is part of the surface of a sphere centered at the center of the earth".

Coulda been Pythagoras. I really don't know. But the Greeks had the shape of the earth figured out, and its size. As for Archimedes, it always amazes me how sharp he was.

1,870 posted on 05/22/2003 6:11:49 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: js1138
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/916280/posts
1,871 posted on 05/22/2003 6:13:02 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
… miracles?

(for discussion only)

1,872 posted on 05/22/2003 6:17:28 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: js1138
And if you heard your doctor discussing the possibilities of a miracle, I suspect you would want a second opinion.

Yes. Unless I had deliberately consulted a Christian Science practitioner, in which case I'd be quite pleased.

1,873 posted on 05/22/2003 6:18:34 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
>>Permit me to butt in here. I freely admit that I've never sat a doctor down and interrogated him about his basic knowledge of biology, including evolution. Nor have I asked if he believes that bacteria and viruses can cause disease, etc. I don't ask because I assume that if he's been through med school, he knows this stuff. In my mind, that's what it means to be a physician these days. I'd be quite surprised if a doctor didn't meet my expectations. <<

You have my point exactly. In USA today, doctors are rigorously screened and tested. If they can't deal with viruses and bacteria, they don't make it. Physicians deal with this on a daily basis. They know anatomy, and surgeons expecially have some very different criteria for excellence.

You don't ask surgeons if they believe in TOE. You check on their history, and how many of the same procedures they have done in the past. Surgery is a physical and mental skill. Not a belief system. If you had a choice between a surgeon that does two heart bypasses a day, and one that does one a month, do you ask about TOE? No, mortality rates.

If you have a GP that is board certified, do you ask about TOE or do you take his ability to ask probing questions?

This thread is more about asking what are the right questions, rather than is evo/creo compelling.

DK

I do have an off the wall question. Who is the best on this thread for Evo stuff. Ever since I saw the stuff on Vitamin C and pseudo genes I've been hooked. I have to KNOW!
1,874 posted on 05/22/2003 6:22:02 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Heartlander
This is precisely the kind of situation I have been asking questions about. A doctor who says that an unexpected and unexplained recovery is a miracle is shutting the door to what might be a fruitful investigation. Something might be discovered that will help other patients in the future.

Imagine what would happen to a D.A. who held a press conference and said, "Everyone who had the opportunity to commit the murder denies it, so it must have been Satan."

1,875 posted on 05/22/2003 6:23:51 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
>>It is not a question I would ask under thiose circumstances. I personally think the whole arena of personal recommendations reeks of corruption.But those with good recommendations are likely to be suck-ups, and those without might just be the creative ones. If I were forced to choose among a class of cookie cutter 4.0 pre-med students I would go mad. Perhaps a lottery would work. <<

You may be tipping me over. The thought of bunch of mind numbed super perfect suck ups in charge of the med system upsets me something fierce.

I think we agree. There must be something wrong here. Bad connection maybe.

Someone help, we need an intervention!!!!

DK
1,876 posted on 05/22/2003 6:29:51 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: js1138
Or we are alive therefore ‘nature alone’ did it… I see where you’re going!
Dogma right?
1,877 posted on 05/22/2003 6:30:19 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Dark Knight; jennyp
I do have an off the wall question. Who is the best on this thread for Evo stuff. Ever since I saw the stuff on Vitamin C and pseudo genes I've been hooked. I have to KNOW!

I think jennyp knows this stuff, so I'm giving her a ping. We discussed it a couple of years ago. All that I remember is that it's supposed to be a bit of evidence that we're related to some other hominids with the same genetic defect, presumably a non-fatal inheritance from a long-ago ancestor of us all.

1,878 posted on 05/22/2003 6:32:02 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Heartlander
More specifically, prior to scientific medicine, nearly everything was "in the hands of God." The first doctors to reject this mindset were quite unpopular with religious leaders.
1,879 posted on 05/22/2003 6:32:24 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Would that be He Who Must Not Be Named?

We refer, of course, to the "multi-spectral misfit".....

1,880 posted on 05/22/2003 6:33:32 PM PDT by longshadow
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