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The Dini-gration of Darwinism
AgapePress ^ | April 29, 2003 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 04/29/2003 10:43:39 AM PDT by Remedy

Texas Tech University biology professor Michael Dini recently came under fire for refusing to write letters of recommendation for students unable to "truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer" to the following question: "How do you think the human species originated?"

For asking this question, Professor Dini was accused of engaging in overt religious discrimination. As a result, a legal complaint was filed against Dini by the Liberty Legal Institute. Supporters of the complaint feared that consequences of the widespread adoption of Dini’s requirement would include a virtual ban of Christians from the practice of medicine and other related fields.

In an effort to defend his criteria for recommendation, Dini claimed that medicine was first rooted in the practice of magic. Dini said that religion then became the basis of medicine until it was replaced by science. After positing biology as the science most important to the study of medicine, he also posited evolution as the "central, unifying principle of biology" which includes both micro- and macro-evolution, which applies to all species.

In addition to claiming that someone who rejects the most important theory in biology cannot properly practice medicine, Dini suggested that physicians who ignore or neglect Darwinism are prone to making bad clinical decisions. He cautioned that a physician who ignores data concerning the scientific origins of the species cannot expect to remain a physician for long. He then rhetorically asked the following question: "If modern medicine is based on the method of science, then how can someone who denies the theory of evolution -- the very pinnacle of modern biological science -- ask to be recommended into a scientific profession by a professional scientist?"

In an apparent preemptive strike against those who would expose the weaknesses of macro-evolution, Dini claimed that "one can validly refer to the ‘fact’ of human evolution, even if all of the details are not yet known." Finally, he cautioned that a good scientist "would never throw out data that do not conform to their expectations or beliefs."

The legal aspect of this controversy ended this week with Dini finally deciding to change his recommendation requirements. But that does not mean it is time for Christians to declare victory and move on. In fact, Christians should be demanding that Dini’s question be asked more often in the court of public opinion. If it is, the scientific community will eventually be indicted for its persistent failure to address this very question in scientific terms.

Christians reading this article are already familiar with the creation stories found in the initial chapters of Genesis and the Gospel of John. But the story proffered by evolutionists to explain the origin of the species receives too little attention and scrutiny. In his two most recent books on evolution, Phillip Johnson gives an account of evolutionists’ story of the origin of the human species which is similar to the one below:

In the beginning there was the unholy trinity of the particles, the unthinking and unfeeling laws of physics, and chance. Together they accidentally made the amino acids which later began to live and to breathe. Then the living, breathing entities began to imagine. And they imagined God. But then they discovered science and then science produced Darwin. Later Darwin discovered evolution and the scientists discarded God.

Darwinists, who proclaim themselves to be scientists, are certainly entitled to hold this view of the origin of the species. But that doesn’t mean that their view is, therefore, scientific. They must be held to scientific standards requiring proof as long as they insist on asking students to recite these verses as a rite of passage into their "scientific" discipline.

It, therefore, follows that the appropriate way to handle professors like Michael Dini is not to sue them but, instead, to demand that they provide specific proof of their assertion that the origin of all species can be traced to primordial soup. In other words, we should pose Dr. Dini’s question to all evolutionists. And we should do so in an open public forum whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Recently, I asked Dr. Dini for that proof. He didn’t respond.

Dini’s silence as well as the silence of other evolutionists speaks volumes about the current status of the discipline of biology. It is worth asking ourselves whether the study of biology has been hampered by the widespread and uncritical acceptance of Darwinian principles. To some observers, its study has largely become a hollow exercise whereby atheists teach other atheists to blindly follow Darwin without asking any difficult questions.

At least that seems to be the way things have evolved.


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KEYWORDS: creatins; creation; crevo; crevolist; darwin; evoloonists; evolunacy; evolution
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To: Aric2000
>>You would win a NOBEL prize if you could disprove evolution and replace it with another theory.

Money, fame and fortune would be yours, indeed, wouldn't that be cool? Your name would live on in infamy, forever.<<

I only want what everyone wants...To be treated like a rock star.

LOL

DK
1,841 posted on 05/22/2003 2:33:57 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: music_code
Aric: ID is a way of saying goddidit, it is NOT science.

music_code: This is not a real argument, just a childish retort.

Dark Knight: Evolution, Creation, or something else.

music_code: This is nonsensical. What else could there be?

Wow... by the way, you just said "Goddidit."
1,842 posted on 05/22/2003 2:35:36 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: music_code
Naturally. Why am I not surprised? Apparently anyone [Stephen Jay Gould] who even remotely appears to question the validity of evolution, especially within the evolutionist camp itself, must be avoided at all costs. Too damaging to your cause.

One of the many times your posts cause me to say, "Huh?!" What on earth are you talking about. I assure you, never in Gould's life did he ever, on any level ever "question the validity of evolution.

Please retract your nonsense.
1,843 posted on 05/22/2003 2:38:36 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: music_code
Trueorigins provides sound, scientific rebuttals to many of the articles and statements in Wonderland.

Show me one. Just one. Pretty please?

The Christian has nothing to fear from true science.

True.

Many of the first scientists were God-fearing, Bible-believing Christians.

Of course. So? Many also happened to do their work before the late 1800's. Again, so?

Many scientists today are Christians.

Jeepers, it's true. So? Guess what? Many more accept evilooshun too. Again, so?
1,844 posted on 05/22/2003 2:43:51 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: music_code
Let's look at this. Stuff exists. How did it get here? (1) It has always existed (matter is therefore eternal) or (2) Once it didn't exist, then it spontaneously generated itself, or (3) It was put here by an Outside Intelligence. Since options 1 and 2 are patently ridiculous...and since the stuff in question is irreducibly complex at certain levels, showing infinite design...I would suggest that option 3 is the most rational.

Why is 1) patently ridiculous? Just because you say so?

Why is 2) patently ridiculous? Do your homework and justify your BS claim.

Option 3), ignoring your patently ridiculous assertions, leads to more questions, like where did the "Outside Intelligence" come from? And, why must their be "intelligence"? And, is it still "Outside"? And, how does this O.I. fantasy relate to your religion, or just the One-True-Religion, or any religions at all, and how would you establish that? Gee, shall I go on for your benefit?

1,845 posted on 05/22/2003 2:52:35 PM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: music_code
Please define "irreducibly complex" in your words. I'd love to know what is and what isn't. Prokaryotes? Snowflakes? viruses? Diamonds? a string of dna? The old man on the mountain in NH before his face fell off? what?

Since you are now the arbitrer of what is and what isn't "irriducibly complex," we'll wait on your every word.
1,846 posted on 05/22/2003 3:06:08 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: music_code
So you disagree with Gore3000's debunking of Trueorigins?
1,847 posted on 05/22/2003 3:14:41 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: js1138
>>You play a nice game of Gotcha, but I am not interested in scoring debate points. I am interested in having a dialog in which both sides honor the spirit of the law, not just the letter.<<

You have not asked your physician if he believes in TOE. You cannot even say it in this discussion. The world won't come to an end if you haven't. But it is one of the best indicators of whether you hold this as a personal belief or just debating.

That's not gotcha, and it is dialog. It is also directly to the point about importance. TOE is not in the set of questions that can best describe physician competence. No one asks about it, not even you.

DK



1,848 posted on 05/22/2003 3:19:21 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Classic.
1,849 posted on 05/22/2003 3:19:47 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
Someone didn't get their talking points memo straight.
1,850 posted on 05/22/2003 3:30:20 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: music_code
Hmm. Let's look at this. Stuff exists. How did it get here? (1) It has always existed (matter is therefore eternal) or (2) Once it didn't exist, then it spontaneously generated itself, or (3) It was put here by an Outside Intelligence. Since options 1 and 2 are patently ridiculous...and since the stuff in question is irreducibly complex at certain levels, showing infinite design...I would suggest that option 3 is the most rational.

None of this, you realize, has anything to do with the theory of evolution, which is a theory of how species arose from the first living thing?

1,851 posted on 05/22/2003 3:31:59 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Dark Knight
You know I really hate to do this, but there is one case of ID that is proveable. We meet the designer and he/she/it explains it all, in scientific terms that we can accept.

That is EXACTLY right, and if the Intelligent Designer came down from wherever him/her/it lives and tells us that indeed, they created us and this is how they did it, then ID would become a Scientific theory, as a matter of fact it would become THE theory.

Actual chances of this happening, so close to zero that I am not gonna count the decimal points.
1,852 posted on 05/22/2003 3:43:56 PM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: PatrickHenry
chugging along placemarker >>>> One has to wonder how long it will take numbnutz to figure out that these comments are lurking right under his nose, despite the fact that HE's the one who claimed they were being used to "send" secret messages. But, then again, someone who thinks that nuclear fission is a "chemical reaction," that "a circle is not an ellipse," that "1720" is a really big number, that the planets have "wildly elliptical" orbits, and that infrared radiation causes sunburn isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the lighting fixture.
1,853 posted on 05/22/2003 3:49:07 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Aric2000
Does this mean your not going to start sending letters to the "swedish committee" on my behalf now. I actually have to wait?

Hey, if Clinton could lobby for the piece prize...

DK
Remember, we're conservatives first.
1,854 posted on 05/22/2003 4:17:11 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Aric2000
If a loving God came down to relate to us, what would He share.

1. He is perfect and eternal (not stuck in our time domain) He would say materialism is insignificant. (Deny your flesh/worry not about what you wear)

2. He would have a perfect place for us so that we no longer suffer from evil and imperfection. (perfect place for a perfect God/I go ahead to prepare a place for you in heaven)

3. He would solve all of our problems in order to prepare us for perfection. (Who wants to drag the messed up baggage we all have into paradise for eternity.)

4. He would provide a way for us to relate to Him, because He is so beyond our capacity to understand. (Jesus is God in the flesh, a man we can relate to, who taught us how to have fellowship with the Holy Father occupying heaven.)

5. He would let us know that we are not like animals in that we have an eternal spirit that is our true identity. (Analogy: A floppy disc is the hardware "our body and genetic information", the software on the floppy disc is the "eternal massless spirit" imprinted by God.)

6. He has continuous access to our lives. He knows the beginning to the end. The eternal one who weaves us together in our mother’s womb. (Being in eternity He can view our reality as if it were a static painting, brushing in His assistance that is consistent with His will ((Requires aligning with Him)).)

We are made in the image of God. The only creative force we have observed in the universe.

This is a start.

bondserv

1,855 posted on 05/22/2003 4:18:51 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: Dark Knight
Hey, if Clinton could lobby for the piece prize...

He won that. It's the peace prize which eluded him.

1,856 posted on 05/22/2003 4:20:02 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: bondserv
Einstein: God does not play dice!
Bohr: Stop telling God what to do!

Or the loving God could know that even as evil exists in the world, without the free choice to choose Good over Evil, man is just a machine. So he gave us that which has never been given before, Free Will. Not as pretty as clouds nor happy as bliss, but the most God-like gift ever bestowed.

DK
1,857 posted on 05/22/2003 4:37:33 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: PatrickHenry
I respectfully disagree. I just cannot in any way see Monica as a prize.

DK

LOL
1,858 posted on 05/22/2003 4:39:54 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight
Or the loving God could know that even as evil exists in the world, without the free choice to choose Good over Evil, man is just a machine. So he gave us that which has never been given before, Free Will. Not as pretty as clouds nor happy as bliss, but the most God-like gift ever bestowed.

Good point!!

Alignment is critical.

1,859 posted on 05/22/2003 4:41:59 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: Dark Knight
You have not asked your physician if he believes in TOE.

I have said several times that personal beliefs do not make or break one's ability to be a care giver. I believe in legal terms that's called a stipulation.

So let's move on to my argument, if you care to have a discussion.

1,860 posted on 05/22/2003 4:49:20 PM PDT by js1138
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