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The Dini-gration of Darwinism
AgapePress ^ | April 29, 2003 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 04/29/2003 10:43:39 AM PDT by Remedy

Texas Tech University biology professor Michael Dini recently came under fire for refusing to write letters of recommendation for students unable to "truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer" to the following question: "How do you think the human species originated?"

For asking this question, Professor Dini was accused of engaging in overt religious discrimination. As a result, a legal complaint was filed against Dini by the Liberty Legal Institute. Supporters of the complaint feared that consequences of the widespread adoption of Dini’s requirement would include a virtual ban of Christians from the practice of medicine and other related fields.

In an effort to defend his criteria for recommendation, Dini claimed that medicine was first rooted in the practice of magic. Dini said that religion then became the basis of medicine until it was replaced by science. After positing biology as the science most important to the study of medicine, he also posited evolution as the "central, unifying principle of biology" which includes both micro- and macro-evolution, which applies to all species.

In addition to claiming that someone who rejects the most important theory in biology cannot properly practice medicine, Dini suggested that physicians who ignore or neglect Darwinism are prone to making bad clinical decisions. He cautioned that a physician who ignores data concerning the scientific origins of the species cannot expect to remain a physician for long. He then rhetorically asked the following question: "If modern medicine is based on the method of science, then how can someone who denies the theory of evolution -- the very pinnacle of modern biological science -- ask to be recommended into a scientific profession by a professional scientist?"

In an apparent preemptive strike against those who would expose the weaknesses of macro-evolution, Dini claimed that "one can validly refer to the ‘fact’ of human evolution, even if all of the details are not yet known." Finally, he cautioned that a good scientist "would never throw out data that do not conform to their expectations or beliefs."

The legal aspect of this controversy ended this week with Dini finally deciding to change his recommendation requirements. But that does not mean it is time for Christians to declare victory and move on. In fact, Christians should be demanding that Dini’s question be asked more often in the court of public opinion. If it is, the scientific community will eventually be indicted for its persistent failure to address this very question in scientific terms.

Christians reading this article are already familiar with the creation stories found in the initial chapters of Genesis and the Gospel of John. But the story proffered by evolutionists to explain the origin of the species receives too little attention and scrutiny. In his two most recent books on evolution, Phillip Johnson gives an account of evolutionists’ story of the origin of the human species which is similar to the one below:

In the beginning there was the unholy trinity of the particles, the unthinking and unfeeling laws of physics, and chance. Together they accidentally made the amino acids which later began to live and to breathe. Then the living, breathing entities began to imagine. And they imagined God. But then they discovered science and then science produced Darwin. Later Darwin discovered evolution and the scientists discarded God.

Darwinists, who proclaim themselves to be scientists, are certainly entitled to hold this view of the origin of the species. But that doesn’t mean that their view is, therefore, scientific. They must be held to scientific standards requiring proof as long as they insist on asking students to recite these verses as a rite of passage into their "scientific" discipline.

It, therefore, follows that the appropriate way to handle professors like Michael Dini is not to sue them but, instead, to demand that they provide specific proof of their assertion that the origin of all species can be traced to primordial soup. In other words, we should pose Dr. Dini’s question to all evolutionists. And we should do so in an open public forum whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Recently, I asked Dr. Dini for that proof. He didn’t respond.

Dini’s silence as well as the silence of other evolutionists speaks volumes about the current status of the discipline of biology. It is worth asking ourselves whether the study of biology has been hampered by the widespread and uncritical acceptance of Darwinian principles. To some observers, its study has largely become a hollow exercise whereby atheists teach other atheists to blindly follow Darwin without asking any difficult questions.

At least that seems to be the way things have evolved.


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KEYWORDS: creatins; creation; crevo; crevolist; darwin; evoloonists; evolunacy; evolution
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To: JoeSchem
Dr. Dini can give an example of a doctor's diagnosis which depends on the theory of evolution.

The exercise was to show 'Scientific Reasoning' to support evolution. It was a challenge to demonstrate a skill that was taught in his class. That skill will certainly be used in practice. Whether you believe in it is not important. I have a rough time with Quantum Physic concerning the Heinzenburg Principle (Duality, or simultaneous co-existance of sub-atomic particles), I could (past tense) explain it; but I didn't necessarily agree with it.

101 posted on 04/29/2003 2:17:02 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: f.Christian
IDIOT, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. The Idiot's activity is not confined to any special field of thought or action, but "pervades and regulates the whole." He has the last word in everything; his decision is unappealable. He sets the fashions and opinion of taste, dictates the limitations of speech and circumscribes conduct with a dead-line.

- The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce

102 posted on 04/29/2003 2:20:22 PM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: atlaw
Your question has too many incorrect assumptions. If it were only discretionary, there would be no legal challenge. Dini would just be the typical arrogant evolutionist that loved throwing his weight around.
103 posted on 04/29/2003 2:21:45 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: balrog666
Evorevolutionism ...

To: f.Christian

g3 ...

The central point of science is the discovery of causes and effects and materialist evolution denies it. It proposes random events as the engine of the transformation of species.


ag ...


You do realize, I hope, that you're claiming modern physics is also unscientific? Randomness is the basis of quantum mechanics, in essence. We've long since gotten past deterministic cause and effect - we now look at probability as the tool for measuring the physical world. Try again.

Drew Garrett


39 posted on 04/23/2003 3:52 PM PDT by agarrett

fC ...

all SPIN --- flips !

104 posted on 04/29/2003 2:22:50 PM PDT by f.Christian (( There (( evolution )) ... but for the grace (( love // Truth )) of God --- go (( WAS )) I . ))
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To: balrog666
List a few reasons why you don't believe in "the Tooth Fairy."

Balrog, my sophisticated intellectual friend! Which is more scientific:

Poof! A tooth fairy left a quarter under my pillow.

or

Poof! A rock became a human.

Oh! I'm sorry! There was no "poof" in the case of the human, only billions of years.

105 posted on 04/29/2003 2:25:40 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
Don't duck the question. Where's your list?
106 posted on 04/29/2003 2:28:28 PM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: balrog666
Don't duck the question. Where's your list?

1) My original question wasn't to you. As usual you insert yourself where you're not welcome.

2) It's a stupid question. There must be some other forum where you can ask them.

3) If it is possible for you to carry on in intelligent conversation regarding Dini's bigotry, please begin now. Otherwise...

107 posted on 04/29/2003 2:38:42 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
"If it were only discretionary, there would be no legal challenge."

There was a complaint, but to my knowledge there was never any governmental action taken against Dini in response to the complaint (for good reason, considering that the complaint was groundless). It appears that Dini simply caved in to a bunch of whiny liberals cleverly disquised as conservatives and voluntarily changed his criteria (if only slightly). I find this somewhat offensive in and of itself.

For you to suggest that the mere existence of a complaint in this matter (which virtually anyone can lodge, whether the complaint has merit or not) means that letters of recommendation have now been conclusively adjudicated as non-discretionary is pretty bizarre. Is that your contention?
108 posted on 04/29/2003 2:38:44 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw
Is that your contention?

Do you somehow imagine that Dini's bigotry can be justified on the basis of my "contention?"

What Dini did was wrong. Why do you evos think that it was right only because he held your evolutionist beliefs? Why not admit it was wrong and bigoted? His bigotry does not prove charlie darwin wrong so why are you guys so lathered up? If this were a freedom of conscience issue, one would think more freepers would defend Dini. But, as it is, most-- if not all-- defenders are evos. Hmmmmmmmmmm!

109 posted on 04/29/2003 2:45:02 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
these nazis are fearless -- relentless ... w/o consciences -- souls !
110 posted on 04/29/2003 2:47:26 PM PDT by f.Christian (( There (( evolution )) ... but for the grace (( love // Truth )) of God --- go (( WAS )) I . ))
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To: Doctor Stochastic
As you are no doubt aware, these LOR's will decide who gets to med school and who doesn't. I have long complained that the professors are choosing our medical school candidates. Their bias is toward research rather than bedside manner or ability to diagnose and treat. Many good men and women, people that would make wonderful physicians, have failed to fulfill their life's dream because of some pompous ass such as this professor. His line of thinking is preposterous. To conclude that someone who rejects the "most important theory in biology" cannot properly practice medicine is simply beyond me. Regardless of your personal belief you must at least admit that.
111 posted on 04/29/2003 2:59:55 PM PDT by familyof5
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To: whattajoke
It is my strong contention that science, and all its tenets, is an important part of conservatism. We consider ourselves more knowledgable and educated (well, we are) and this is all part of that. The minority of YEC's in our world do us an injustice, and make for easy ridicule from the left.

Well stated. That is also my position.

112 posted on 04/29/2003 3:00:46 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Evolution vs. Devolution
We can see things devolving but we never see things evolving.
113 posted on 04/29/2003 3:03:58 PM PDT by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
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To: Dataman
So your answer to my question is, what? The discretionary nature of a letter of recommendation is irrelevant because you say so; or maybe letters of recommendation are non-discretionary only where the issue is evolution and a creationists feelings are hurt?

I don't see any bigotry here, but even if by some touchy-feely tenent of the liberal manifesto there is bigotry, so what? There is no universal constituional right not to be offended, and there is no legal or constitutional right to a letter of recommendation. Your suggestion that the power of the government should be brought to bear on Dini and that he should be coerced to say what the government tells him to say smacks of fair-weather conservatism.
114 posted on 04/29/2003 3:07:50 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw
So your answer to my question is, what?

Here is my answer:

Now a Justice Department statement says that while biology students can be expected to understand and explain evolution, "a state-run university has no business telling students what they should or should not believe in."

Liberty Legal attorney Hiram Sasser says the professor has since changed his criteria.

full article here.

You've rec'd your answer. You can keep on asking, but it may never be to your liking.

115 posted on 04/29/2003 3:21:55 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: kkindt
We can see things devolving but we never see things evolving.

I've seen more meaningless statements, but not often.
116 posted on 04/29/2003 3:36:10 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dataman
List a few reasons why you don't believe in "gods."

I've not seen sufficient reason to believe in the existence of any gods. That should be reason enough.
117 posted on 04/29/2003 3:37:39 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dataman; balrog666; Dimensio; whattajoke
My original question wasn't to you. As usual you insert yourself where you're not welcome.

LOL! Talk about ducking a question!

Lets try a different angle. Do you believe in God? And why? (where is the proof)

p.s. I sure never have seen any.

118 posted on 04/29/2003 3:58:56 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RomanCatholicProlifer
The pope drew a line between 1) legitimate scientific theories based upon empirical evidence, which the Church will honor, and 2) overly ambitious manifestations of materialist philosophy, which contradict truths which are fundamental to the Church's magisterium." The Wedge of Truth: Splitting the Foundations of Naturalism. By Phillip E. Johnson. InterVarsity Press. 220 pp.

I discuss the recent statement of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in Chapter 6 of my latest book, Defeating Darwinism by Opening Minds. I greatly admire the Pope, who on this subject as well as others is fighting a courageous battle against the forces of modernism inside and outside the Church. The papal statement did say that materialism is unacceptable when it extends to the human spirit, but it neglected to say that mainstream science insists upon a fully materialistic theory of evolution, one which resolutely keeps that divine foot outside the door. Any deficiencies in the statement are probably attributable to the vigorous lobbying of a clique of academics that dominates the "Religion and Science" field, and that wants to "save" religion by bringing it into conformity with evolutionary naturalism. Phillip E. Johnson

119 posted on 04/29/2003 4:18:50 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: Dataman
From your article: "Now a Justice Department statement says that while biology students can be expected to understand and explain evolution, 'a state-run university has no business telling students what they should or should not believe in.' Liberty Legal attorney Hiram Sasser says the professor has since changed his criteria. 'Professor Dini decided to relent and change his policy to where he now no longer requires a student to believe that evolution is true nor to get a letter of recommendation,' Sasser explains. 'In response to that, the Department of Justice has dropped their investigation, and Dini's no longer in violation of the Constitution.'"

Your spin (and frankly the spin of the article) makes it sound like there was some kind of Justice Department ruling. Read the article carefully. The Justice Dept. issued a rather innocuous "statement", and Sasser "explained" that Dini "decided to relent." Like I said earlier, it appears that Dini caved in to a bunch of whiny liberals disquised as conservatives and voluntarily changed his criteria (if only slightly). There was no governmental mandate that he do so.

I still find this offensive. And your apparently new-found faith in the power of the government to coerce speech and "re-educate" this professor is disturbing. You should be very careful in this. Next time, it will be a "re-education" that you don't care for.

120 posted on 04/29/2003 4:25:51 PM PDT by atlaw
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