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Neal Boortz and ADD
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Posted on 04/29/2003 8:40:41 AM PDT by Houmatt

The following are short pieces recently written by Neal Boortz regarding Attention Deficit Disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, appearing in Neal's Nuze:

DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO THIS. JUST KEEP DRUGGING YOUR KIDS.

More and more medical and psychological professionals are speaking out against this phony disease of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Dr. Bob Jacobs, a psychologist, is on the advisory board of the International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology. He recently told a conference in Australia that ADHD is a behavioral problem, not a medical disorder. He correctly points out that there is no proof that ADHD exists.

Jacobs notes that many children who are “diagnosed” with ADHD – children who it is said can’t pay attention – are perfectly capable of sitting still with a video game and paying rapt attention for hours on end. He also points out that when parents pay attention and change the way they are treating and handling their children, the ADHD symptoms go away. “A real diseas doesn’t go away when somebody else does something.”

I just love it that this debate is surfacing again. Sure, Ritalin works. It’s a drug, of course it’s going to have an affect on children. It makes them more docile and compliant. Take that word “compliant” and put it next to “government.” Would anyone argue that government doesn’t just love a compliant citizen? Then why wouldn’t a government school teacher love a docile and compliant child? It sure makes their job easier, doesn’t it?

In 2001 U.S. drug companies made more than $600 million profit in ADHD drugs like Ritalin. If ADHD goes away … so do those profits.

It’s time for you parents and teachers to stop looking for the easy way out here. Your easy way out is a potential disaster for your child.

I’M STILL HERE …

The controversy over my comments on ADD/ADHD continues. Station management continues to feel the effects of an organized campaign to have me either silenced or fired. Hey, I don’t blame these people. If I was drugging my child for a non-existent disease I wouldn’t want anyone reminding me of my irresponsibility either.

Just to fuel the fire, here are some excerpts from letters and e-mail I’ve received in the last few days:

I am a Special Education teacher in Kansas --anti-NEA, extremely conservative: endangered species. Agree with you on ADHD. Problem - liberals insist all students with behavior problems have the right to disrupt the education of others, so meds used to control behaviors. In Kansas, ADHD students receive special education services under the label of Otherwise Health Impaired (OHI). Some of us know that OHI really stands for Otherwise HOME Impaired. Please do not use my name publicly -- retaliation from liberal dominated administration probable

Before you delete this please read on. I am ecstatic on your position on add and ADHD. I have a son that was so diagnosed, they, she who is always right, put him on Ritalin. it is a devastating drug, they are doped up and not themselves. Chris is adopted has a handicap and parents that care. i took on the problem, the problem was not a condition it was a matter of wills. i withdrew him from the medication and worked my ass off making the difference. Neal is right, get off the medication, instill confidence, give a damn about how they behave and stand firm. today my son has a 4.0 average in his junior year of high school and has been accepted to Penn State, will get a partial scholarship and is a GREAT KID. Not bad for someone the system wanted to put into a stupor. Dad's can make a difference, although you may not be the most popular guy around. God Bless

Man, when your right your right! The stories that I could tell you about my ex-wife and hooking my son on this drug since he was two are unbelievable. Parents and teachers are not alone in this. Doctors who are prescribing this and other mind altering drugs are the number one problem. My ex-wife found a doctor in Miami that did "testing" on my son only by giving him some blocks to assemble, and when my son started looking around instead of putting all of the blocks in place that was it, instant A.D.H.D. Oh yeah, this boy was not only A.D.D. He was hyper as well.(here's a clue HE'S TWO YEARS OLD!!) Needless to say this eventually lead to our divorce, but to make matters worse, there are judges out there who believe this crap also, so I did not get custody. He's now 15 and my Ex-wife and I have another court appointment to settle this issue.

AND NOW --- INTRODUCING YOU TO “ODD!”

This will be the next great fad disease for school age children. Oppositional Defiance Disorder. The “ODD child” is a child that gets angry or frustrated and defies authority. In other words … a child. He argues with adults, he loses his temper, he has a negative attitude, he blames others for his mistakes. Teachers.net has a chatboard discussing this grand new disease. One post by a teacher says: “Today was a really bad day. I have been teaching grade seven for four years and today was the first time I was called a "Whore," by a kid who has Oppositional Defiance Disorder.”

Stand by folks, this is soon going to become a full-fledged disease and some drug company is going to develop some mind-altering drug that will make these kids compliant and passive. Oh man, are the parents going to love this one. Here’s a link on this new fad-disease so you can start getting your excuses ready. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/9346/odd.html

http://www.4troubledteens.com/odd.html

ADEQUATE DICIPLINE DEFICIENCY

There’s been quite a firestorm of controversy on the show since I started talking about the various experts who are debunking the ADD/ADHD craze. We had Dr. Bob Jackobs, a psychologist, telling a youth conference in Queensland, Australia that there has never been any proof that ADHD exists. Then there was neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman Jr. who, in a 1998 letter to Attorney General Janet Reno called ADHD “the single biggest health care fraud in U.S. history.” This has all been very unsettling to parents who have decided that drugging is certainly easier than parenting when it comes to controlling the behavior of their children. These parents really know that ADD stands for “Adequate Dicipline Deficiency.”

But, alas! There are many parents out there who have been unable to find a doctor or a shrink who will write that invaluable Ritalin prescription. Wow! You poor saps have actually had to deal with your children being … children!

Well, maybe there’s hope. There’s a new disease on the horizon out there. It’s called ODD! Oppositional Defiance Disorder? With any luck, your child may have this nifty new disease! As a public service, here is some help diagnosing your very own child to see if they might have ODD! The symptoms are:

Arguing with adults. Losing temper. Angry or resentful of others. Actively defies adult’s request or rules. Negative attitude Blames others for their own mistakes misbehavior Seems touchy or easily annoyed by others Deliberately annoys others Acts spiteful or vindictive. The psychiatrists are telling us that if your child displays four or more of the above traits … you may be a winner! You may have a child with ODD! Now you don’t have to feel so left out when the neighborhood moms get together to discuss their children’s afflictions. Looking at that list again, I would suggest that if your child doesn’t display at least four of those traits, he’s probably in a coma on a respirator.

Now … the really good news! The Psychiatric Alliance of the Blue Ridge is studying an “investigational medication” that may help children with ODD! So, in the very near future you may not only be able to discuss your child’s hideous new disease, you may actually be able to DRUG him!


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KEYWORDS: add; adhd; cocaine; drugs; hyperactivity; maledomination; ritalin; scam; sham; teachersagainstboys; zerotolerance
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To: DaGman
Yeah, I've heard it all before too. I'm a rotten parent, I'm drugging my kid to keep from facing the real problem, I'm a tool of the school system, yadda yadda yadda. What people like Bortz don't realize is that I would give anything if my daughter didn't need concerta and you would give anything if your daughter didn't need adderol. But that isn't the way it is. Concerta helps my daughter cope with school, it gives her the assist she needs to keep up in class. It's a temporary assist, and one we turned to only after talking with her pediatrician and having her go through a battery of tests given by a child psychologist. And then we had her screened by her school in order to ensure she was given her IEP and received the additional assistance to help her compete with her classmates. And I have absolutely no doubt that you and your wife talked and agonized and researched as much as we did and turned to adderol for the same reason we went with concert, because we love our kids more than we can say and we did it because we believed that it was in their best interest. So as far as I'm concerned screw Bortz and the horse he road in on. Until he is faced with a similar situation then he has absolutely nothing to say that I'm interested in hearing.
241 posted on 04/30/2003 5:13:36 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: luckystarmom
I am aware of that. A learning disability is defined as a discrepancy between actual school achievement and expected school achievement (as determined by IQ or other measures).

Therefore, someone with a low IQ and school problems is far less likely to have a learning disability than someone with a high IQ and school problems.
242 posted on 04/30/2003 5:45:11 PM PDT by brianl703
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To: brianl703
However, if a person has a low IQ and they have school problems, they qualify for special ed.

All I know is that special ed is tied to academic problems, and other health impaired is tied to non-academic problems.

So if a person qualifies for special ed, then they would probably not be in honors classes. However, I'm not sure how it would work if someone has a learning disabilty in reading and qualifies for special ed, but is great in math. I would imagine they would be able to take an honors math class, but I don't know.
243 posted on 04/30/2003 6:39:47 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
There are many facets of academic performance. As you mentioned, someone with dyslexia may be great in math, and if they are, they will be allowed to take AP math classes if they want to (if they've taken the prerequisite math courses).

Likewise that someone with AD(H)D may be very good with the written word and take honors english classes.

It doesn't do anyone any good to say to a student, "Well, you can't take calculus because you have dyslexia". Especially if calculus is something they would excel at.


244 posted on 05/01/2003 7:16:22 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: Houmatt
Shut up, troll.

Absolutely brilliant. What a remarkable gift you have for making a rational, compelling argument.

245 posted on 05/01/2003 7:28:35 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: FreedomPoster
It is an interesting read if for no other reason than he repeats the same thing many other authors do: boys need disclipline not drugs. While I agree completely that boys need disclipline and I also agree that ADD/ADHD is obviously overdiagnosed and the various stimulants over prescribed, however those who chant the Boys Need Disclipline line don't seem to have an answer for those of us who do disclipline our boys yet they still have difficulty with impulsiveness, concentration, constant figityness, sleeplessness, etc.

When appropriate, my boys get spanked. When appropriate they have toys and activities withheld. When appropriate they must sit and watch their friends play rather than joining them. They come from a stable two-parent home; their mom stays at home and homeschools them -- they are not forced to sit at a desk and listen to boring lectures; they eat precious little sugar; they get plenty of exercise; they watch a very small amount of carefully selected TV; they don't have a playstation/gameboy/etc; they play very few computer games and only ones which I deem to have an educational value; their father comes home each evening and spends time with them; their diet contains very few (if any) artificial colors, preservatives, etc; they live a reasonably structured life where they are expected to make their beds and clean their rooms and do other age-appropriate chores. Do you get my drift? All of the seemingly obvious, simple fixes regularly touted are a natural part of my son's life and have been since he was born. Still, there's a problem.

Keep in mind that prior to having children, I was hook, line and sinker convinced that ADD was a sham. I could tell you what was wrong with all of the children around me who were diagnosed. I was a youth group leader and knew a handful of diagnosed ADD/ADHD children (boys and girls) and their parents. Frankly, I still do think some of those children were drugged for convenience, but now that I've had to live with my son and see the challenge that faces him and those around him, I can understand those who choose to use medications. We have not chosen that path at this time, but I certainly can't say we never will.

I guess the long and short of it comes down to this: if you've never experienced having a child with ADD/ADHD, it can be hard to believe, but that doesn't mean that the whole thing is simply the result of poor parenting.

246 posted on 05/01/2003 7:52:28 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas
Absolutely brilliant. What a remarkable gift you have for making a rational, compelling argument.

There was no argument to make. The post to which I responded was a blatant, obvious troll as it was clearly designed to get a certain kind of reply from me. And I did not fall for it.

You may also notice the poster in question never responded to mine. That is all the proof needed to show it was a troll post.

247 posted on 05/01/2003 9:39:10 AM PDT by Houmatt (Same as it ever was??)
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To: FourPeas
I have a question for you. Since you homeschool, I think you are the best person to ask.

I know someone whose parents put him on Ritalin after his private Christian school thought he was ADHD. The school was having a hard time teaching him.

Now, my first thoughts were they should try another school where another program might work better.

I personally think my 8 year old son has attention problems. He is "gifted", so it's hard to say if it is that he is bored or if he has attention problems. He also has a tic disorder, and attention problems are usually associated with tic disorders.

I'm having a horrible time getting him to do any written homework in the evenings. He's a very slow writer, and he hates it. He does okay with any kind of homework if he doesn't have to write much. He's okay with multiple choice questions, math work, etc. He just has a hard time writing sentences, paragraphs, and reports.

I don't want to put him on drugs because he does okay in school. Also, he should never be put on Ritalin because it would make his tics worse.

I'm now seriously considering homeschooling. He'd still have to write, but he could do that in the morning when he is fresher. He wouldn't have to do writing work when he is tired after a full day of school. He's also the type of kid that gets a lot out of field trips and hands-on learning.

I just don't know if I could make him concentrate at home to get his writing and other "boring" work done.


248 posted on 05/01/2003 2:37:14 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Houmatt
A very small minority of children have slightly imbalanced brain chemistry that manifests as ADHD--bouncing off the walls, unable to focus on schoolwork, et cetera.

These kids are easily recognized because they DO react positively (extremely positively) to being treated with Ritalin--they stop bouncing off the walls and they can focus on their schoolwork. The rest of the supposedly-ADHD kids are completely unchanged (or slightly more "hyper") when they take Ritalin.

249 posted on 05/01/2003 2:40:54 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: ladylib
It's hard to get into the armed services if you're diagnosed with it.

As the saying goes, "Tell it to the Marines!"

I was ADHD (yes, I actually NEEDED to take Ritalin for three years) in elementary school, and I served eight years in the Marine Corps.

250 posted on 05/01/2003 2:43:38 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: luckystarmom
Look into the possibility that he has dysgraphia or agraphia.

Both those learning disabilities cluster with ADD and ADHD.

And ask his teachers if he can use a computer to write his assignments. That helped my son a lot - in fact after some time writing papers on the computer his handwriting is much improved.

251 posted on 05/01/2003 2:47:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
ADHD is associated with fine motor and visual motor integration problems. ADHD is also associated with a verbal IQ which greater than performance IQ. If I had to guess, I'd say that's because most of the subtests on the performance part of the IQ tests test fine motor and visual motor ability.

I am unsure if dysgraphia = visual motor integration problems (perhaps the latter can cause the former?).

I do have visual motor integration problems and I was diagnosed ADHD, which is one of the reasons I decided to find this stuff out[all records of that have been destroyed, and if captured I will disavow any knowledge of those records :) ].

My handwriting is pretty messy, and I can't draw very well, if at all. To make up for that though, I have a pretty good visual memory.

As an example of that, I left my old car partially disassembled in the garage for over 8 months.

I finally got sick of it being in there (plus my brother wanted to buy it off of me) and so I put it back together without once referring to the manual (except for the torque specs on the bolts). There were probably 30-40 parts to deal with, and I got them all right back where they came from.
252 posted on 05/01/2003 8:58:21 PM PDT by brianl703
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To: luckystarmom
This probably is going to get long because this touches on several of my hot points when it comes to homeschooling. IMHO, one of the most important things about homeschooling is knowing your child's learning style. You obviously know your son very well since you mentioned your son is a hands-on kid. You'd probably also describe him as a kid who learns by doing? I believe that homeschooling is best when it tailors itself to a child's learning style. But, let me digress for a moment.

Your post described my husband to a 'T'. He had a horrible time in school with the whole writing part. They actually put him in remedial reading, even though he could (and did) easily read an entire sci-fi paperback in one day, because he couldn't write a good book report. If anyone had asked him to provide a verbal one, he could have easily described the book quite well, but that wasn't the assignment so he frequently received poor grades.

The school tried various things with him, including sending him to a specialist who tried to figure out if there was some sort physiological problem. There wasn't. Eventually the school decided that he just needed to learn to use a typewriter. Not surprisingly, he never learned to be a touch typist, either, since that required him to take the time to learn to type properly so he could do the same boring assignments that never helped him develop good penmenship. (Now, lest anyone reading this thinks that he should have just been spanked, grounded or discliplined in whatever way, more, let me just say my father-in-law tried this. He later recalled that he spanked my husband far more than his other children, yet it never had the desired result. For those who wonder why his mother didn't spend more time with him, she did. Night after night, she'd sit with him helping/encouraging/forcing him to do his homework.)

Skip ahead to today. My husband realizes that the reason he didn't write well was because he was always in such a hurry. Developing good writing required that he sit down and slowly and carefully practice the skills necessary. He didn't find it interesting so he didn't do it; his mind wandered to a hundred other things. Even when made to sit down and try it, his efforts were half-hearted at best and he hurried through it so he could get onto something interesting.

He also had problems writing stories, although he enjoyed it very much, because his writing couldn't keep up with his mind. His stories would often be missing words or whole phrases because he couldn't get the words down on paper fast enough. He still has incredibly poor penmenship ~and~ he can't compose well either, even when using a keyboard.

He and I have talked about this quite a bit, especially lately. If he had been asked to practice his writing on something that was interesting/relevant, it probably would have helped. As an example, he's always been interested in electronics. If someone had asked him to draw and label a skematic of something he wanted to build and as a reward told him that once done correctly and neatly he would be allowed to get the parts and build it, this would have motivated him. It would have been a win-win situation.

Now, back to homeschooling. It would be difficult for a school to create these sorts of assignments for him and every other child. It just doesn't fit into their system. When homeschooling, though, it's pretty easy. Much of the "boring" work kids do in schools is because that's what the school needs to do to keep all the kids on the same page. The school can't teach to each child's strengths, so it has to create a variety of work and hope that some of it sticks with some of the children. It's much different when an adult, especially a parent who has a vested concern in making sure the child learns, can concentrate on a smaller number of children and exploit how those children learn.

My impulsive, figity, child who has difficulty focusing is also a hand-on child. He usually learns his math and science skills while building something. Frankly, it really doesn't matter if he's 'tiggering' all over the family room while he's figuring out what 5+3=?. I don't make him sit at a desk while trying to read. He can stand or bounce while reading and that's OK because he IS reading. Of course, we working on sitting still, too, but we focus on that alone. I don't try to get him to focus on sitting still AND sounding out words. It simply doesn't work. That's the beauty of homeschooling: I can do what works.

So, my long-winded answer to your question is that I do think homeschooling can work for your son as long as you're careful to take advantage of his strengths while you work on his weaknesses. If you try to recreate school at home, it probably won't work for your son for the same reason that it doesn't work for him at a traditional school.

253 posted on 05/02/2003 8:58:29 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Zavien Doombringer
OOH!! I thought MY Mom was the only one who used a Hot Wheels track!!

My brothers always knew it was time to run when Mom started feeling around on top of the refrigerator!! : )
254 posted on 05/02/2003 9:45:23 AM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Politicalmom
Are we related? My dad decided that the Hot Wheels Track was most effective after giving my brother a *whack* on the fanny, but my brother had body armor on his fanny...3 Golden Book books - The Pokey Little Puppy, The Tawney Scrawney LIon and The little Engine That Could. (you know the easy readers with the hard cardboard bind). I think Dad broke his hand on that one! The only reason why I remember those books is because we three brothers have kept them!
255 posted on 05/02/2003 9:53:30 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: clamper1797
My son is a near-genius too. He has managed to compensate for his problems because of this, and is managing decent grades, but he needs more than the adjustments we have managed to make.

I had to live with the "He just needs to be spanked more" comment from my Father for several years. My parents FINALLY admitted that my son had a real PROBLEM, and he could not control it. It is NOT because of lazy parents, divorced parents, lax discipline or all the other horrible comments I am reading on these threads. I am a SAHM, and we have a very stable marriage.

I could have spanked my son all day and it wouldn't have affected his behavior, just our relationship.

My son is miserable, and our home life is miserable. We have struggled with this for 8 years, and have been trying different strategies for 5 of those years. We have reached the difficult decision to try medication, which I have fought. I must say the ignorant comments from people who have NO experience with a child like this are seriously upsetting me.
256 posted on 05/02/2003 10:01:13 AM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: FourPeas
I recently started giving my son Melatonin. It has helped his sleeping problems dramatically. He would come into my room at midnight after lying in bed for three hours, and he would just sob that he couldn't get to sleep. Now he goes to sleep easily at his regular bedtime. He sometimes still wakes up at a ridiculously early hour, but that very seldom happens.
257 posted on 05/02/2003 10:16:22 AM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Politicalmom
We've recently giving our son Melatonin, too. He, too, would lie in a dark room for hours unable to sleep. It's amazing the difference. He's not only able to go to sleep, but he's no longer tired at 10am the next day. He still has problems focusing, but at least they're not further complicated by being tired. The down side is that he's started experiencing mild to moderate stomach problems. We're still trying to determine if it's the Melatonin or something else.
258 posted on 05/02/2003 10:20:16 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: AnAmericanMother
I had a tremendous problem with my handwriting while in school. By the time I'd come to the end of a sentence I'd be bored with it become distracted and would scribble the rest of the words. Word problems in math though easily solved were usually not done because by the time I wrote out the question (demanded by the teacher) I would have lost focus. Even signing my name even now without just smearing the last few letters takes extra effort. Using a computer REALLY helps as it tends to be a repetative action and much much easier to set focus on for the ADHD strickened
259 posted on 05/02/2003 10:20:45 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: luckystarmom
I can answer this for Georgia elementary schools.

My son has a very high IQ, but tested more than 20 points lower in writing.

He was enrolled in an accelerated math class (couldn't handle the organization, but that's another story).
He has special ed help one hour a day in writing, but pulls As and Bs in all other subjects.
260 posted on 05/02/2003 10:32:44 AM PDT by Politicalmom
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