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Georgia Flag Will Not Carry Rebel Battle Flag
CNN.com ^ | 04/25/03 | CNN

Posted on 04/28/2003 6:34:59 AM PDT by lugsoul

Georgia flag will not carry Dixie cross Friday, April 25, 2003 Posted: 10:30 PM EDT (0230 GMT)

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- The Georgia Legislature voted Friday to change the state flag to a version that echoes the Confederate battle emblem, but without the familiar Dixie cross that had led black lawmakers to promise an economic boycott.

Lawmakers agreed to quash any possibility of a referendum on reviving the Confederate battle emblem, which black lawmakers called a symbol of oppression and which had been a part of the bill.

If the measure is approved by Gov. Sonny Perdue, Georgia voters next March will choose between the temporary flag and the current Georgia flag.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: dixie; georgiaflag
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To: lugsoul
I nominate the Bonnie Blue Flag to be part of the new GA state flag!


81 posted on 04/29/2003 9:42:23 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: lugsoul
nambla lists hallmark as one of their corporate sponsors.

sorry, but that's fact. i note hallmark has NOT sued for libel.

BTW, "mr. ceo", what would YOU tell jesse when he comes to "pick your corporation's pocket"????

FRee dixie,sw

82 posted on 04/29/2003 9:44:03 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: lugsoul
would you PAY jesse/rainbow-push to keep him from slandering you & your company???

i will NOT let you dodge the question.

as for another case i happen to know of, John Deere paid jesse off in just the manner i described and THEN he went on TV to accuse the corporation of being "racially insensitive". see, it doesn't pay to pay tribute!

free dixie,sw

83 posted on 04/29/2003 9:51:14 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: lugsoul
BTW, just for the record. NOT a single corporation pulled out of SC and/or MS, after both states told the leftists & "rebel-flag haters" to go fish.

not even ONE JOB was lost.

the blackmail of the left is mostly fluff;nobody but the leftist care what the extremist, hatefilled leftist wants.

that also is TRUE!

free dixie,sw

84 posted on 04/29/2003 9:55:57 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: texson66
second
85 posted on 04/29/2003 10:22:18 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: stand watie
hallmark? are they in GA? or could you just not back up your statement with anything pertinent?

no - I wouldn't. but that is not anywhere near what is going on with the flag.

you still can't back up your crap.

86 posted on 04/29/2003 10:27:59 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: stand watie
oh, yeah - SC took their rebel battle flag off the capitol - or are you asell-informed on that issue as you are on GA?
87 posted on 04/29/2003 10:29:31 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
i was there for the SC "flag fight" & was one of MANY common citizens who took WEEKS off from work to assure we'd win.

the legislature took the flag off the dome of the statehouse (where it was so high up that it was hard to take a picture of it, w/o a long telephoto lens!)and put it up out in front of the statehouse on a lighted flagpole, at the busiest intersection in Columbia, to fly 24/7.

YEP, the naaLcp & the shyster at the splc really won that one, didn't they??? especially after the naaLcp had to PAY "out-of-staters" (mostly from Baltimore & Boston, btw.) to come protest on MKL,Jr Day, since few people from SC wanted to march against the battleflag.

what a laugh! it was a dead LOSS for the flag-haters/liars/leftists/creeps. but of course, the leftist/hatefilled/mainSLIME media "spun" the loss to "a win for decency & fairplay".

the "boycott" of SC has also been a "dead loss" & a JOKE! sales are UP, tourism is UP, jobs are UP. the only losers were the "compromisers", scalawags (like Barnes for instance) and the naaLcp/splc.

the NEXT thing in SC is to put the battleflag back on the dome & in both chambers of the statehouse.we'll win that one too, longterm.

don't you WISH you hadn't mentioned SC? LOL!

FRee dixie,sw

88 posted on 04/29/2003 10:50:37 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: stand watie
No, I don't wish that at all.

They took it off of the capitol and put it in a memorial - a perfect use.

If you are so certain that you "won," why is it your goal to put the flag back on the capitol?

Of course, you still can't back up your other BS posts, either.

89 posted on 04/29/2003 10:57:19 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: familyofman
Hey, but that would be neat. I'd like to see the states competing for the most artistic, creative, exciting flags. Wouldn't it look great to have one that looked like a Jackson Pollock painting? Maybe you've started something!
90 posted on 04/29/2003 12:51:48 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: billbears
confederate ping
91 posted on 04/29/2003 12:57:27 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: lugsoul
I'll make you the same offer I made stand watie - side bet on whether what you say ever happens

I'm not quite sure of what we would be betting on. What I said was that the people will have their say on the flag issue by whether or not they re-elect the people who denied them their referendum. I called that a referendum because in effect that's what it will be, a referendum on the honesty and trustworthyness of their governor and their representation on Atlanta. I don't think I made any predictions on the outcome of that referendum.

Just to make myself clear, this is my point. I hate what the Democrats have done in this state for as long as I can remember, the gerrymandering job blatantly designed specifically to unseat Bob Barr and send more Dems to Washington was the latest outrage. And I want a permanent Republican majority in GA state government. I'm just afraid and frustrated that the first GOP governor in 140 years may have blown it for himself and future Pub candicates at the state level by not honoring what most voters believed was a promise. I would bet that his action on this issue will cost him a lot of votes from conservative white Democrats, while it won't gain him one single black or liberal white vote from either party.

92 posted on 04/29/2003 5:43:04 PM PDT by epow
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To: lugsoul; stainlessbanner; sweetliberty
Anyway - who ya gonna believe? The guys who did wrong and try to cover it up, or the guys who did wrong and own up to it? I know which ones you'll believe, but only because it fits your agenda. The floor leader who introduced the bill says it was a sgregationist stand. If you won't believe that - and the numerous contemporaneous articles and such in the Senate research report, you just are not willing to accept fact. You know, just like I do, that there is no record of the floor proceedings (except for a couple of reported quotes, like Mr. Groover's). Those who do wrong rarely do it in the sunshine. But my boss' mentor was in that Legislature. And he told me what went on. You can ignore the truth to suit your agenda all you like. But its funny that you won't answer your own question - why isn't the Stars and Bars "Confederate enough" for you? Must be because you want something other than a Confederate flag.

Did you get your race-baiting Al Sharpton rant out of your system, lugsoul?

So, if anybody dares to question you it "Must be because (they) want something other than a Confederate flag"?

Really?

So what do I want, lugsoul, and how do you envision me?

Do you picture me as a so-called "Neo-Confederate" wanting the Confederate States of America to rise again? Do you picture me as a skinhead or maybe a Klansman?

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, lugsoul, but, as a Catholic Cuban immigrant, I don't qualify for membership in the Ku Klux Klan.

If you want to know what my "agenda" is, lugsoul, Post 36 on this thread might give you a clue.

Although you have a sign-up date of 1999, I can't ever recall ever seeing a post from you so I know nothing about you. Those who know me on FreeRepublic know that I am a Cuban immigrant, that I am a U.S. Naval officer with 20 years of active and Reserve service, that I am a student of military history and that I not infrequently post concerning matters of military honor.

On Civil War threads (Post 130), I often defend the honor of Confederate soldiers who are now painted as 19th Century Nazis by the Political Correctniks. Yesterday, the point of military honor on several post on this thread Post 94 that I argued was that it was not acceptable under U.S. military law to be executing Iraqi POW's.

So, what is my agenda? It is opposition to the demonization of honorable soldiers by Left-wing Political Correctness.

In my own family, two of my uncles fought at the Bay of Pigs. One had fought with Castro against Batista only to discover that Castro was not going to restore the progressive Constitution of 1940 as Castro had promised. He later went on to serve two Vietnam combat tours as a Green Beret. The other uncle was asthmatic with a young son and another on the way. Now the Left-wing Political Correctniks label such heroic men as "CIA mercenaries" and "right-wing Batista supporters".

Maybe we Cuban Americans have taken it in the chops from Left-wing Political Correctniks but it is nothing compared what is being done to those Southerners who defended their home states from 1861 to 1865. The honor of those men has been completely taken away from them and they are portrayed, as I said before, as 19th Century Nazis by the Political Correctniks.

I wasn't in Georgia in 1956. I was a two year old boy in Havana, Cuba then. I don't have a "Confederate heritage agenda" regarding the Georgia State Flag but I would like to know the truth.

When you are presented with several 1956 era Georgia politicians who claim A, you quote two 1956 era Georgia politicians who claim B and simply declare that the politicians that agree with your position represent Truth and those that refute your position are bald faced liars.

That is not historical research and/or documentation, lugsoul. That is simply Baghdad Bob.

As a non-Southerner trying to discover the true history, lugsoul, I'm not impressed.

And, no, quoting from the Minority Report or Majority Report (which ever it was) of a Senate "Investigation" does not impress me much either. We all know that, in such reports, the Majority claims that 2 + 2 = 3 and the Minority Report claims that 2 + 2 = 5.

If you want to prove a historical fact to me, show some primary sources and not Baghdad Bob declarations.

What I object to in the Georgia Flag debate is how the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, an honorable martial flag that was not the political flag of the Confederacy and which represented those Southern fighting men has been made the equivalent of a Nazi flag.

Yes, I know, it was because the Ku Klux Klan uses it.

Well, as a student of history, I know that the flag most closely associated with the Klan has always been .....the Stars and Stripes.

You are willing to equate the Battle Flag of Confederate soldiers with "hate" because skinheads and the Klan use it. However, you are willing to totally ignore the fact that the Stars and Stripes has been used and is used far more frequently by the Klan as a "hate symbol".

In the 1980's, before NAACP race-baiters began their campaign against all things Confederate, the Confedrate Battle Flag was seen on top of a car called "General Lee" in a silly TV show called the "Dukes of Hazzard" that was top rated despite it's silliness.

Before the NAACP race-baiting, who considered the "General Lee" a "hate symbol"?

It seems to me that, in Politically Correct America, some ethnic groups are allowed to be proud of their martial history and others are not. The Buffalo Soldiers. The Red Wings. The Navaho Code Talkers. Crazy Horse. The Irish Brigade. The 54th Massachssetts. Those are Politically Correct.

However, other groups such as Cuban Americans have to accept the verdict of the Politically Correct Left that our martial ancestors were nothing but right wing Batistianos and other groups, such as Southerners, have to accept that their ancestors were simply 19th Century Nazis.

That, lugsoul, the demonization of entire ethnic groups and their martial heritage by the Politically Correct Left, be they Cuban Americans or Southern Americans, is what I object to.

93 posted on 04/29/2003 10:47:47 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: epow
How much blame do you put on Mr. Barr for his failure to return to Congress? If he'd had the balls to run in his own district, which was won by a Republican, he'd be there now.
94 posted on 04/30/2003 7:01:14 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Polybius
That is a meaningless rant. You can't identify one comment where I have denigrated the Confederate soldier, the South, or Southern heritage. What I do denigrate is those who insist that Southern heritage be represented SOLELY by a battle flag which, viewed in the best possible light, is a symbol of both the cauldron in which it was born AND its use as a symbol of resistance to civil rights - and who further cast the flag in that light by their refusal to treat anyone who doesn't share their view of the primacy of the battle flag as anything other than racebaiting extortionists.

Is the battle flag ONLY a oppresive symbol. Of course not. But it does have that connontation - and those who fight tirelessly to fly it - officially - in spite of that connotation do Southern heritage no favors.

95 posted on 04/30/2003 7:07:47 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Polybius
Oh - a word on your opinion of research. You quoted avowed segregationists who defended their actions in hindsight and ran full speed away from their own outspoken segregationist views - Men who wouldn't have wanted you in their club, either - and neither you nor anyone else have cited any other evidence that it was a Cenntennial honorarium. I quoted the floor leader who introduced the bill and cited to a research report which contains a number of contemporaneous comments on the bill. I'll take mine over yours any day.
96 posted on 04/30/2003 7:19:18 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
simple. my goal is "to sick a thumb in the eye" of the compromisers/liars/scalawags/halfbacks/creeps, who wanted to take it down in the first place. this, when it happens, will remind them to tend to their business and leave the southland, her flags, her memorials & traditions alone.

as the dixie traditionalists have beaten the socks off several scalawags the last election in SC & GA, you'd think they'd get the message, but then they aren't that smart.

ask scalawag barnes about his future in politics;he couldn't win dogcatcher in SC.

FRee dixie,sw

97 posted on 04/30/2003 7:25:36 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: epow
EXACTLY!

FRee dixie,sw

98 posted on 04/30/2003 7:26:53 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: Polybius
WELL SAID.

i predict though that lugsoul won't believe/understand your post, because to him we southrons (i.e. those of us from old rebel families, who haven't forgotten that our ancestors once breathed FREE dixie air.) must be skinheads, klansmen or idiots, rather than lovers of LIBERTY.

to lugsoul, the drivel from the PC-idiots/scalawags/damnyankee elitists is the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth. he does NOT get the message that it is arrogant, self-serving,ignorant, self-righteous, leftist LIES, passed off as truth & "sensitivity".

FRee dixie,sw

99 posted on 04/30/2003 7:36:39 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: lugsoul
what you are NOT getting is that the battleflag is NOT, nor never has been to anyone with more than a "room tempature IQ",a symbol of anything but dixie FREEDOM.

constantly repeating a damnyankee-apologist LIE does not magically make it become TRUE!

free dixie,sw

100 posted on 04/30/2003 7:39:52 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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