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Tacoma police chief shoots wife, kills himself
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^

Posted on 04/27/2003 12:54:50 PM PDT by ATCNavyRetiree

Tacoma police chief shoots wife, kills himself

By LEWIS KAMB, PHUONG CAT LE, ANGELA GALLOWAY and RUTH TEICHROEB SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTERS

GIG HARBOR - Tacoma's police chief shot his wife and then himself in the parking lot of a strip mall Saturday afternoon while the couple's two young children were nearby.

David Brame died at St. Joseph's Hospital in Tacoma about 6 p.m. His wife Crystal was in critical condition at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle.

On Friday, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported that Crystal Brame, 35, had obtained a temporary restraining order in February against her husband. In subsequent court papers, she had accused him of pointing his service revolver at her and trying to choke her during two separate incidents in the past six months.

The couple were going through a divorce.

Brame, a veteran officer who rose through the ranks to become chief in January 2002, denied those allegations in court papers filed in King County Superior Court last month.

Saturday's shooting happened at about 3:10 p.m., said Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer.

"We don't believe other people are involved," Troyer said. "The victims were the chief of the Tacoma Police Department and his wife. We believe he shot her and then shot himself."

Crystal Brame was in a black Toyota Camry with the couple's two children when David Brame approached the vehicle, authorities said. The two had arranged to meet in the shopping mall parking lot. David Brame took the two children - 8-year-old Haley and 5-year-old David - to his burgundy Toyota Camry, which was parked nearby. He then returned to the car Crystal Brame was in. He got in also and a short time later two shots were fired, authorities said.

NOTE: This story has been updated since it was originally posted.

"The kids were screaming," said Kirsten Oakland, who works in a hair salon at the mall. "Who would have thought? Awful. This affected the entire community in a split second."

An off-duty King County paramedic was the first to arrive on the scene and begin treatment.

"It appeared she (Crystal) managed to open the door and fell down to the ground," Troyer said. "And the paramedic pulled up right next to her in the car."

Neither child was hurt. They were with their mother's parents Saturday night, Troyer said.

George Sharp, a supervisor for the Rite Aid store, said almost nobody in the store actually heard the shooting. Many learned of it from customers and employees coming in for their shifts who had learned about the shooting from news reports.

"A lot of people expressed shock that it did happen in Gig Harbor and the customers and the employees wish that it hadn't happened but they didn't really feel any more threatened as they would if it were a drive-by or it were a random act," Sharp said.

"I think that people are saddened it got to that stage and unhappy that it happened here, and unhappy that it happened at all."

Troyer said one of the Brame children got out of the car and went into a nearby Hollywood Video store. Witnesses took the other child to the store too.

Jesse Hentz, assistant manager of the Hollywood Video, said: "I feel really bad. And I want the family to know that people care about them."

In court papers, Crystal Brame portrayed her husband as controlling and jealous, refusing to let her use their credit card without permission and checking her car's odometer to monitor trips to the grocery store.

She also accused him of leaving his loaded service revolver on a bedroom shelf within reach of their two children.

Her fear increased last November when she alleged that the 44-year-old Brame "choked me and threatened that he could snap my neck if he wanted to." It was the fourth time that year he'd tried to choke her, each time sending flowers later to apologize, she said.

And just before they separated in February, she alleged in court documents that Brame pointed his service revolver at her, "telling me 'accidents happen.' "

She did not report either incident to police.

David Brame had maintained he was the real victim of domestic violence during his 11-year marriage. He said he reported the assaults to police -- first to his boss, then-interim Chief Ken Monner and to an officer who photographed his bruises; then to police in Gig Harbor, where he was living at the time.

Both times David Brame insisted that police not arrest his wife or even investigate his allegations - even though a state law requires officers to arrest anyone accused of domestic violence if the complaint is credible.

He explained his unusual behavior in court documents by saying he wanted to "protect himself" in case his wife ever tried to malign him with false abuse allegations.

Tacoma City Councilman Mike Lonergan, who sits on the council's public safety committee, said he had a hard time believing the shooting had happened.

"We knew David from his professional side. This is a total shock," Lonergan said Saturday. "He presented himself as a very together person, business-like and very likeable. This entire thing is hard to grasp."

Although Lonergan said the usually outgoing Brame had been withdrawn and seemed depressed lately, he had no idea what was going on at home.

"To know David Brame took the action he did today shows that there was a whole lot beneath the surface we couldn't see," Lonergan said.

Ken Bunting, executive editor of the P-I, said "this is a tragic development in lives that, from all accounts, have been troubled for quite some time. These events are not only painful for the family, but for the community and all who have the responsibility to ask the difficult questions about it. Domestic violence is never a comfortable topic."

Paul Pastor, Pierce County sheriff, announced Brame's death from outside St. Joseph's hospital. He said only that Brame had died of a gunshot wound; no other details were given.

"This is terribly sad news for this city and this community," Pastor said.

Carlos Sambrano, a childhood friend of the chief, went to the hospital to support the family. He said he and Brame played baseball at Lincoln High School.

"He never appeared to be a violent person," said Sambrano, who described his friend as a "class act."

Visibly distraught over the news of his friend's death, Sambrano said: "What's this world coming to."


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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Aw come one... women ask for it all the time... the nagging, the petty demands, the mood swings, etc... I mean, just because she asks "Do these pants make me look fat" and you reply "No, you make those pants look fat", is no reason for her to start complaining and stuff... A good knuckle sandwich fixes the problem, and my conscience is clean because she made me do it...

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go trolling on the N.O.W. Message boards...

;0)


(I hope everyone knows I was being Sarcastic...)
201 posted on 04/27/2003 9:46:01 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (If Love Is Blind, Why Is Lingerie So Popular?)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I mean, just because she asks "Do these pants make me look fat" and you reply "No, you make those pants look fat", is no reason for her to start complaining and stuff.

ROTFL - tell me again who's on the receiving end of that knuckle sandwich? : )

202 posted on 04/27/2003 9:57:01 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("There was abuse in my family; it was mostly musical in nature.")
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
;0)
203 posted on 04/27/2003 9:58:19 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (If Love Is Blind, Why Is Lingerie So Popular?)
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To: TalBlack
[[[[I'd like to see a study on the number of civilian legal gun owners who use them in this way as compared to the number of cops who end up using them this way. I wonder because offhand I have the sense that cops seem to do this an awful lot.]]]]

I would like to see the numbers too.

I think Police use their guns so much more that they feel somehow justified in using it, even sadly on their own family.

I would like to know also 'for the people that own guns, how many have needed to use it for defensive protection.

204 posted on 04/27/2003 10:17:44 PM PDT by Wake Up America
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Here's a story not getting any press coverages, it concerns
the BRAVE fathers serving there country in IRAQ/Middle East
, Risking there lives (Some died in Action) saving there
brothers & sisters in the war of terror/Iraq . If they
survive, and return home?, some of these Brave Good Fathers (U.S. SOLDIERS) will be ARRESTED upon there return.

It happened in Gulf War 1, and it will happen again.
Many of them will lose there childrens, there Jobs,
There driver license, Tax returns, Credit rating,can't use there VA Home loan, etc... Many will fight back and win, many will lose. The ones that loses will face sickness,mental breakdown,depression, drug user,drinker,smokers,violent,criminal, homeless, killer, or kill themselfs.


http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-e/baskerville/03/baskerville040903.htm


The Child Support Law (1986) The Bradley CS Law, USF42, 666.

Is killing off the good fathers, and making good fathers
become violent and Yes ...killers. They need help ! Shhow mercy toward the fathers, help them alittle, the system set-up by
N.O.W. , Democrats, Lawyers, and other communist groups that fund these groups with alot of funds(Most under
table) must be expose to the light of truth, if not and this continues without a fight, there will be more and more and more stories like this.

Show Mercy to the good fathers.
Will help come to the good fathers ?, I say NO ,won't happen because of deceptions & Lies,etc..., and
It's all about Money,Greed,Power and Evil.

Welcome Home. The land of the ________ ?



205 posted on 04/27/2003 10:21:17 PM PDT by Orlando
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; HairOfTheDog; GretchenEE; BossLady
Interesting following this thread and seeing all these ladies' perspectives.

Suprising...especially yours Tomato.

I don't think it's a good idea to kill one's spouse in front of the children if at all possible.

No doubt, today's culture of easy divorce and the take no prisoners aspect of it make men (and women) go crazier maybe than in the past but one really needs a better reason to kill someone in my book...........and I went thru a hellish divorce myself almost 10 years ago that was shocking and totally unwanted by me at the time. (uber rich older dude snatched her up...to his chagrin now..lol) It's grueling...especially if you have children and you are the man...you are going to either lose your children (largely) or pay big time...whether you deserve it or not.

Still, if I could resist killing the shrew then so can others.

Btw, she did me a favor even though I didn't realize it at the time.

I should thank her for it..lol...NOT!

Nite Girls!

PS: Mrs Wardaddy restored my faith in the kinder gentler sex...cause she is just that.
206 posted on 04/27/2003 11:26:27 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
Still, if I could resist killing the shrew then so can others.

LOL!!

207 posted on 04/27/2003 11:37:35 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Not all those who wander are lost)
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To: kcvl
"The stress of being a police chief and the publicity of his marital troubles must have come to a head, Frantz surmised. "I'm not saying he's not responsible. I'm very disappointed in what he's done," he said. "

he's "disappointed"?..poor guy...he's disappointed....

"He's let the department down. He's let the community down."

...and let the community down....geesh...

looks like the cops are in full excuse mode....

pssst...someone please tell Frantz that the nice and dynamic cop just attempted to murder the mother of two in front of them and managed to kill himself...."letting the community down" are the least of our worries....

208 posted on 04/27/2003 11:50:24 PM PDT by cherry
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To: FirstTomato
Yes,I am glad you mentioned that women can be vicious and hurtful and men can feel impotent and backed into a corner.It amazes me that almost to a person,people maintain that the first strike a woman receives should be the last because she should leave immediately.

I have not wanted to say much because it is quite personal but I wish folks would stop offering that oftimes inane and off mark piece of advice.Before we were married my husband had told me about something in his family relationship that I knew he was embarrassed about and had caused him grief and great emotional pain.When he told me I made a mental note to never,never bring it up.One day when he made a sarcastic remark about something that I should have done and didn't,I took that little piece of his soul,that he had bared to me and "played" with it.

I knew he was vulnerable but ust kept it up,I saw his cheek twitching,I was merciless. Afterall he had not been nice to me,I rationalized.He lost it and I apologized,we talked about it,went to church and it never happened again.But I was always sorry that I wasn't quite the person I thought I was and had used information he had confided in me to throw back in his face when my precious little self felt put upon.

I can't speak to uncontrolled rage that has no apparent cause but I can say positively that it doesn't have to happen again.I wish I could say we lived happily ever after but he died abour four years later when his plane went down in Viet Nam. But I don't think it would ever have happened again,because I had seen my nastiness and he basically was a witty,funny non-violent guy.

209 posted on 04/28/2003 12:32:41 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: TalBlack
>>I know guys whos wife resorted to calling cops at the slightest pretext during an argument.<<

It takes very little to get a guy arrested for domestic violence in Maine, and many unstable or unscrupulous women use this to their advantage, i.e. a tool to screw the guy's life up almost beyond repair. I have seen this happen to two different, innocent men during the past three years.

I guess people just have to be really careful about who they get mixed up with, and run like hell at the first sign of weirdness.

risa (who is not a guy)
210 posted on 04/28/2003 1:29:03 AM PDT by Risa
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To: ATCNavyRetiree
well since they didn't shout out that he was an elected republican I guess we know that he is a democrat. Doesn't surprise me.
211 posted on 04/28/2003 6:02:10 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: saramundee
Show me where I blamed the victim. It seems she didn't even have a restraining order on him after all ---but was that a court ordered visitation or was she ordered to meet with him? Why would you meet someone willingly who had already tried and threatened to kill you?
212 posted on 04/28/2003 6:22:21 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Risa
I guess people just have to be really careful about who they get mixed up with, and run like hell at the first sign of weirdness.

Yes ---a lot of these problems begin in the dating phase ---long before marriage. Control freaks don't just wake up one morning and decide to be one. When someone emotionally abuses early in a relationship, it's not uncommon for them to later physically abuse.

213 posted on 04/28/2003 6:30:00 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FirstTomato
If two drug dealers have a gun battle and one is murdered are you saying that the one still standing is the evil one and the other is the victim?

And if two people who hate each other, who have caused undue misery for each other, confront each other and one is killed or near killed and the other still stands, do you automatically condem one and not the other?

In your first scenario, you have a gun battle... meaning that both parties have guns. They know what they are getting into. The playing field is equal.

In the second scenario which seems to be referencing the article, the question is, did she have a gun? Doesn't sound like it from the article. He had a gun. Uneven playing field. She is a victim, he is the attempted murder.

214 posted on 04/28/2003 6:45:21 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) ( Deut.32:18-Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.)
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To: ATCNavyRetiree
Citizens need personal firearms to protect themselves from suicidal thugs like this.

It's too bad Crystal Brame and the bystanders around her didn't have theirs handy.

-archy-/-

218 posted on 04/28/2003 7:28:10 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Wake Up America
[[[[I'd like to see a study on the number of civilian legal gun owners who use them in this way as compared to the number of cops who end up using them this way. I wonder because offhand I have the sense that cops seem to do this an awful lot.]]]]

I would like to see the numbers too.

This event will of course be reported as both a murder commotted with a handgun, and the death of a police officer from a handgun shot, and used as further *proof* that citizens cannot be trusted with their own handguns in public.

-archy-/-

219 posted on 04/28/2003 7:30:46 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: kcvl
Frantz said Brame was "a dynamite chief" who was implementing new policies and making good connections with the community.

The stress of being a police chief and the publicity of his marital troubles must have come to a head, Frantz surmised. "I'm not saying he's not responsible. I'm very disappointed in what he's done," he said.

The use of the term *chief* to describe this murderer's job is an insult to native American tribal leaders.

-archy-/-

220 posted on 04/28/2003 7:33:56 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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