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Greeks and Turks Mingle Peacefully on Cyprus (and reveals Turkey's dirty works)
nytimes.com ^ | April 27, 2003 | MARLISE SIMONS

Posted on 04/27/2003 11:18:10 AM PDT by Destro

Greeks and Turks Mingle Peacefully on Cyprus

By MARLISE SIMONS

A Greek Cypriot uncovered a grave marker in an old Greek Cypriot cemetery in Kyrenia, in Turkish Cyprus.

NICOSIA, Cyprus, April 26 — They kept pressing through the narrow checkpoints today, long lines of Greek and Turkish Cypriots, on foot, by car, on motorbikes, winding past the watchtowers and the barbed wire that had kept them apart for nearly 30 years.

A trickle at first, now a flood, Greeks and Turks are crossing to see each other's side of this divided Mediterranean island, rushing as if uncertain the sudden opening will last.

The turnabout began on Wednesday, after Turkish Cypriot leaders abruptly lifted travel restrictions across the dividing line. They opened two checkpoints because, they said, they wanted to build confidence between the two groups of Cypriots.

The move came as a shock to United Nations peacekeepers, the police, customs officials, diplomats and just about everyone else on this island of close to 800,000 people, all of them more accustomed to a heavy diet of mutual hostile propaganda and stubborn politics.

The police said that some 12,000 people had already been given a one-day travel pass and many more were expected during the long weekend when the Greek Orthodox Church celebrates Easter.

"It's a wonderful Easter present," exulted Demetrios Mavros, driving through the final control post in a car crowded with relatives. The family was heading north to a famous pilgrimage site that had been long been off limits, the ancient monastery of Apostolos Andreas.

In the Turkish sector of Nicosia, the capital, other Greek families milled around what was once the medieval St. Sophia Church, now appointed with a large minaret and converted into a mosque. "I plan to light some candles anyway," a woman said kneeling on the pavement.

No one seemed to mind. Along the streets, Turkish Cypriots waved at passing Greek visitors and stood ready to give directions.

The menacing buffer zone, 120 miles long, that has carved up Cyprus since 1974 is still in place, sandbagged positions, watchtowers and all. But little by little, one family at a time, the island is already appearing less divided in people's minds.

"We want to see our country, our whole country," said Mete Oguz, a Turkish teacher who had crossed with his wife and children and was boarding a free bus made available by the Greek government.

"We are Europeans also," he said in fluent English, "even if we were kept isolated."

The Greek and Turkish populations have been kept apart ever since Turkish troops invaded northern Cyprus to halt a coup aimed at uniting the island with Greece.

Diplomats and mediators have tried and failed to reconcile the recalcitrant sides. Last month, the latest talks collapsed when Rauf Denktash, the Turkish Cypriot leader, refused a deal brokered by the United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, and already accepted by Greek Cypriots.

But on April 16, the Greek Cypriots signed the treaty to join the European Union on behalf of the whole island, clearly weakening Mr. Denktash's hand. Diplomats believe he may be trying to regain at least part of the lost initiative.

Greek Cypriot officials have been uncomfortable about what they call this week's "unilateral move" and "spectacular gesture" by Mr. Denktash. They said they had never prevented people from crossing over. One official said Mr. Denktash was trying to outmaneuver the Greek side, which had worked out a series of confidence-building steps with the European Union. The official said this "public relations move" was not a substitute for a proper legal and political settlement.

But the excited Greek and Turkish islanders who keep converging on the buffer zone, eager to see the villages of their birth and the landscapes that have loomed so large in family tales, appear to care little about the political maneuvers for the moment. "This is people power," said Emina Oguc, a teacher at the University of Famagusta in Turkish Cyprus, who crossed the Nicosia checkpoint early today.

She said there had already been four enormous anti-Denktash demonstrations in the north because the majority of Turkish Cypriots wanted to join the European Union. Other demonstrations and protests were being planned. "The pressure on him was getting very strong," she said.

Mrs. Oguc and the fellow teachers in her group said the reunification of the island was becoming unstoppable. "This is so amazing, we could not have imagined this one week ago," she said. "Everyone has been so helpful and kind, as opposed to what we were told by our leaders."

Mete Oguz was boarding one of the tour buses for Larnaca on the southern coast. His family had fled Larnaca when he was 5, he said. "Today I'm taking my son, who is also 5, back to Larnaca," he said. "I feel it's a big moment in our family history."

But Mr. Oguz, like the others on the bus, had to respect the present rules, meaning that the border was open only from 9 a.m. to midnight. It did not dampen the joy on board.

"We have to be back at midnight like Cinderella, or the bus will turn into a pumpkin," he said to great hilarity, as the bus set off.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: balkans; checkpoints; cyprus; easter; peacekeepers; turkey
In the Turkish sector of Nicosia, the capital, other Greek families milled around what was once the medieval St. Sophia Church, now appointed with a large minaret and converted into a mosque. "I plan to light some candles anyway," a woman said kneeling on the pavement.

This is the legacy of Turkey past and present--future? Why this "secular" Turkish need to desecrate Christian cemeteries and churches?

I hope the Cypriot Turks have had enough of the Ankara imposed regime and shake loose the fascistic legacy of Ataturk (the Turkish version of the Ba'athists).

It is also typical of the New York Times editorial policy that such statements of converted churches and evidence of desecrated Christian cemeteries are only mentioned in passing.

1 posted on 04/27/2003 11:18:11 AM PDT by Destro
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To: *balkans
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2 posted on 04/27/2003 11:18:35 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
"FREE TURKISH OCCUPIED CYPRUS!!!"

"FREE TURKISH OCCUPIED KURDISTAN!!!"Turkey has replaced the Soviet Union as the European country with most other countries in captivity.

3 posted on 04/27/2003 11:43:42 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: Destro
...what was once the medieval St. Sophia Church, now appointed with a large minaret and converted into a mosque. "I plan to light some candles anyway," a woman said kneeling on the pavement.

No one seemed to mind...

Yeah? Christians get along fine with others, it is the Islamics that go balistic when their feathers are ruffled. Convert one mosque into a Church, or try to light candles kneeling IN that converted Church instead of on the pavement and see if "no one minds"

What Crapola. As if the Media does not know the difference. I MIND. In fact people get slaughtered over here almost every day because once a generation ago Jewish land that was converted to Mosques was returned to the Jews. They blow random people up all the time as a clear indication that "SOME ONE FRICKING SEEMS TO MIND!"

ARUGHHHhhh!

4 posted on 04/27/2003 12:28:44 PM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: Tacis; Destro
Bite me.
5 posted on 04/27/2003 1:27:48 PM PDT by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout, the candy man..)
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To: a_Turk
In the Turkish sector of Nicosia, the capital, other Greek families milled around what was once the medieval St. Sophia Church, now appointed with a large minaret and converted into a mosque.

Muslims pull this kind of crap elsewhere, too. Bangladesh, for example, where thousands of Hindu temples have been converted into mosjids (mosques) by the local government. And in Pakistan, too. And in India, until a few hundred years ago (i.e. during Muslim rule).

So, I find this very easy to believe. Now, my question is this - is Turkey is so secular, why do this?

6 posted on 04/27/2003 1:35:00 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: Tacis; Destro; Mihalis; George W. Bush
You see from the Turks' comments (5) how he feels about desecrating Churches by adding minarets to the original Christian church. On one of my visits to Constantinople I saw Aghia Sophia in terrible condition - whitewashed, with arabic words all over the interior and of course the despicable minarets outside.

In the Soviet times the Communists destroyed or converted synagogogues and churches turning them into stables, warehouses, or just burning them down; With Muslims and muslim Turks we have the same perverted mindset at work - in Cyprus, the Balkans, Africa, in fact every place they infest, they kill, murder, and destroy and always have!

7 posted on 04/27/2003 1:38:23 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: AM2000
>> Now, my question is this - is Turkey is so secular, why do this?

Who knows why "some" people do what they do. Maybe they didn't have enough mosques around, after they all had to flee north for their lives.

There are many mosques in Turkey which at one point in time were temples to Apollo or Venus, whatever. What's the big deal. Mosques in southern Cyprus are used as latrines..

Here:



Greek Cypriots attend Orthodox Easter mass in the monastery of Apostolos Andreas in the Turkish occupied area of Cyprus Saturday, April 26, 2003. The mass, which was the first Easter one there since 1974, was held in the afternoon as the worshipers had to be back in the Greek-Cypriot controlled area before midnight.

But the flipping anti-Turks here won't show you this picture..

Turkish Cypriots were musrdered by the tens of thousands - whole villages at a time, and then bulldozed - between 1960, the year of Cypriot independence which was guaranteed by Turkey, Greece, and England, and 1974, when Turkey finally put a stop to it at the height of the ongoing Greek activity which was designed to kill all Turks and make the place part of Greece (ENOSIS).

So there. The world can see that northern Cyprus is just fine, and there has not been any exodus of Turks leaving there for the south. The place is packed, and the soutrherners are leaving millions of dollars there as they visit their old houses where the bushes may be overgrown a bit I guess..
8 posted on 04/27/2003 2:00:26 PM PDT by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout, the candy man..)
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To: AM2000
And in India, until a few hundred years ago (i.e. during Muslim rule).

And when the Hindus took one back (in Ayodha), the Muslims went on a rampage and carried out terror attacks (of course, the Hindus rioted too, and gave better than they got).

10 posted on 04/27/2003 2:37:25 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Destro
Do you think one of our cement-filled Tomahawks could take out the minaret without harming the rest of the church? That would certainly send the right message to Turkey.
11 posted on 04/27/2003 2:40:32 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: AM2000
Let us see - violence in Sudan, Cyprus, Kosovo, Chechnya, Pakistan/Kashmir, East Timor, etc. ... same story everywhere MUslims bump into other religions. Israel is just another example.

So it this destruction of a church about how Turks treat Christians or about how Muslims treat Christians? Methinks the latter.
12 posted on 04/27/2003 4:13:15 PM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: a_Turk
Maybe they didn't have enough mosques around, after they all had to flee north for their lives."

The alternative was to build down the street from the church.

"There are many mosques in Turkey which at one point in time were temples to Apollo or Venus, whatever."

Funny you dont mention that the great Hagia Sophia was also turned into a Mosque during the Ottoman period after a millenium as a Christian Cathedral.

Muslims have done this to other religions from the first instant - turning the pagan Meccan shrine into Islam's holiest center, then Jerusalem building a dome on the old Jewish temple, etc.

13 posted on 04/27/2003 4:24:17 PM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: eleni121
Bad enough to conquer the land. Even worse to seize and squat on the lands in the houses of an evicted people. But worse yet is to destroy their cemetaries, their cultural heritage and their most precious spiritual gathering places.

Have you noticed how ofter the Muslims seize the wonderful Christian architecture and convert it by sticking a couple of those ugly central Asian minarets on them? It's almost like they can't build anything truly beautiful and spiritual for themselves. I think it's a part of the cultural mindset imposed by Islam. The result is a static backward culture who can only seize and can rarely create. The situation is more pronounced than the glacial progress of Asia who are capable but so hypnotized by the past that they remain in it. But one senses somthing about the Muslim cultures that makes one consider that they might be incapable of real creativity in architecture and other cultural pursuits.

I guess conquering and seizing by violence is how you acquire if you can't create.

Islam is cultural and mental poverty.
14 posted on 04/27/2003 4:38:32 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: WOSG
Christians have done the same. Big deal. You poor babies.. "How dare they do that to us.. Don't they know we're Christians? Waaah."
15 posted on 04/27/2003 4:59:37 PM PDT by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout, the candy man..)
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To: WOSG
Funny you dont mention that the great Hagia Sophia was also turned into a Mosque during the Ottoman period after a millenium as a Christian Cathedral.

And they might not have been able to do that if not for the (Christian) crusaders of sacked the city in 1204.
16 posted on 04/27/2003 5:54:33 PM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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