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(GA) Legislature approves new flag; no chance for vote on Confederate emblem
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 4.25.03

Posted on 04/25/2003 8:06:14 PM PDT by mhking

[ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 4/26/03 ]

Legislature approves new flag; no chance for vote on Confederate emblem

The Associated Press

 

 

The Georgia Legislature approved a new state flag Friday and removed any chance that the Confederate battle emblem could be restored to the state banner.

If approved by the governor, the new flag will echo a Confederate national flag, but without the familiar Dixie cross, which black lawmakers called a symbol of oppression.

Next March, Georgia voters will choose between the temporary flag and the current Georgia flag. But there will never be a vote on the old state flag and its Confederate battle cross.

Black lawmakers cheered and some wept when the proposal passed. The Senate approved it 33-23, and the House approved it by the narrowest margin, 91-86, with the speaker casting the deciding vote. The 91 votes were the minimum needed for passage.

"This gives the people a flag based on history, but yet looking to the future," said Democratic Sen. George Hooks, a white Democrat who helped design the temporary banner.

Southern heritage advocates, who have been calling for a statewide referendum on the Confederate battle emblem flag, called the new flag a betrayal.

"We'll be making our displeasure known in short order," said Rusty Henderson of the Heritage Preservation Association.

Republican Gov. Sonny Perdue had called for a yes-no vote on the temporary flag. Then, if the temporary flag lost, voters would have had a chance to vote on the Confederate battle emblem flag.

But the flag bill sponsor, Rep. Glenn Richardson, R-Dallas, indicated the governor likely would be willing to sign the bill as approved by both chambers.

"It was as tight as it gets," Richardson said. "Georgia's divided; it's obvious we need to have a vote on this."

Civil rights leaders had denounced Perdue's initial plan and promised an economic boycott if the bill was not changed to remove any chance to vote on a Confederate emblem.

Georgia's flag was changed in 2001 to shrink the Confederate symbol partly to avoid economic boycotts like the one aimed at South Carolina, which flies the rebel banner on state Capitol grounds.

Business leaders in Atlanta have warned the boycotts could cripple tourism, Georgia's No. 2 industry, credited with bringing $16 billion a year to the state.

The civil rights groups said they may call for a boycott if any referendum on the flag is approved. The temporary flag also has Confederate roots, they said.

"This is a heinous proposal," said NAACP member Michael Bond, who is the son of NAACP chairman Julian Bond. "It's still a Confederate flag. It's completely objectionable."

Any boycott would be announced Saturday after an NAACP meeting in Macon.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: dixie; dixielist; georgiaflag
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To: billbears
Whoops...I was wrong.
It'a sword!
The device on the other side is three pillars supporting an arch, with the word "Constitution" engraved within the same, emblematic of the Constitution, supported by the three departments of government, namely the legislative, judicial, and executive. The first pillar has engraved upon it "Wisdom," the second, "Justice," the third, "Moderation"; on the right of the last pillar a man stands with a drawn sword, representing the aid of the military in the defense of the Constitution, and the motto is "State of Georgia, 1776."

81 posted on 04/25/2003 9:25:02 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: billbears
The web site I pulled it off of said it was a coat of arms.
82 posted on 04/25/2003 9:25:50 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: mhking
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 4/26/03

I just noticed the date on the story - Confederate Memorial Day.

83 posted on 04/25/2003 9:25:52 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Blackyce
So you take time valuable time out from healing the sick and feeding the hungry to fight for the foremost remaining symbol of Jim Crow in GA?? Nice to see you have your priorities straight.

Its primarily a symbol of the soldiers who carried it on the battlefield. The NAACP/KKK/YOUR view of it doesn't automatically trump that symbolism. Just because the NAACP and KKK and you agree that it means something doesn't make its original meaning as a soldier's flag on the battlefield disappear.

We have a heard a great deal from liberal intellectuals that the US flag means genocide, tyranny, imperialism, colonialism, etc. The same people say that the Confederate flag stands for blah...blah...blah...blah. Funny. I find it hard to agree with them that their meanings take precedence over mine. Apparently you do not have that problem.
84 posted on 04/25/2003 9:27:22 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw
Your personal epithet really makes us want to do what you say. Buzz off fly.

It is none of your damn business, Arkansaw. I have had family in Georgia for the better part of 200 years, under many flags. My great-great-grandfathers sword from the Civil War is leaning against the wall in my living room. If anyone has any skin in this issue, it should be me.

But this entire mess is a losing proposition that started with bad decisions by the legislature in 1956, when, by the way, there was no 'vote' to change it. It was handled badly by the Barnes gang. It will never be resolved to the satisfaction of everyone, no matter what is tried, including a public vote. It is a losing issue, and it is a total distraction for more pragmatic matters. The 'flaggots" (a Neal Boortz expression) have been as manipulative as the NAACP, and neither of them are representing my state as far as I am concerned.

This flag is a great compromise, and I would wish that we could all just declare victory and move the hell on.

85 posted on 04/25/2003 9:28:29 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: eddie willers
This ain't the hill I choose to die upon.

If this was the Texas flag, you might not get to choose your hill.................it might be chosen for you.

86 posted on 04/25/2003 9:28:36 PM PDT by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: Arkinsaw
I am a NATIVE conservative Georgian and I don't appreciate outside agitators from Arkansas trying to stir up more sh!t.

Take it on back home, if you please.

87 posted on 04/25/2003 9:29:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: PAR35
What's even funnier is that the state celebrates Confederate Memorial Day this Monday - are the race warlords upset about that? Of course not! They only bitch when it's convenient to them to do so.
88 posted on 04/25/2003 9:30:19 PM PDT by mhking
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To: PAR35
Well Confederate Memorial Day here in NC is May 10th. Not as if we've had a governor in years that's recognized it. Considering we had the same governor for nigh on 20 years. He won twice, lost to a liberal Republican the third time, won back the next election, and stayed for two more terms. The current governor is his chosen successor. Bunch of liberal sellouts running on the fact that for a long time not many in this state voted Republican except for Jesse Helms
89 posted on 04/25/2003 9:30:28 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Arkinsaw
Is it your opinion that they were even willing to accept the two stage process that had passed? As long as their was a chance at the ballot box?

Yes, I think so. That's what everyone was promised - a vote on the flag.

Now, personally, I think it should have been a multiple-choice question - do you want (a) the current flag (b) the previous flag or (c) the proposed flag?

That would have let everyone have their say without the cumbersome 2-stage thing.

90 posted on 04/25/2003 9:31:09 PM PDT by Amelia (Tag line? What tag line?)
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To: spodefly
This flag is a great compromise, and I would wish that we could all just declare victory and move the hell on.

Probably would have happened after the two stage vote. Now it ain't. Whose fault is that? Its not us "flaggots" this time.
91 posted on 04/25/2003 9:31:25 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: mhking
Hey seeing you're safe and all, I take it the storms weren't too bad? We're going to get them here in the next few hours
92 posted on 04/25/2003 9:32:12 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Eaker
If this was the Texas flag, you might not get to choose your hill.................

That's the ONLY flag you've had....we've had plenty.
I ain't so attached.

93 posted on 04/25/2003 9:32:48 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Amelia
Yes, I think so.

If I know them, they will be more upset since they feel that they were compromising on the two stage vote anyway. I was hopeful this would end it for good.

Man this sucks.
94 posted on 04/25/2003 9:33:16 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw
Its not us "flaggots" this time

You're not a flaggot.
Those exist ONLY in Georgia.
This is the STATE flag we are changing...NOT the Confederate.

95 posted on 04/25/2003 9:34:46 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
I am a NATIVE conservative Georgian and I don't appreciate outside agitators from Arkansas trying to stir up more sh!t.

Take it on back home, if you please.


I'm just telling it like it is. You are free to vote however you please. Oh wait...no you aint. LOL
96 posted on 04/25/2003 9:35:02 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw
Odd that this revered symbol of honor for the confederate dead just happened to pop up "randomly" 90 years after the war, during the height of the civil rights movement.
97 posted on 04/25/2003 9:35:44 PM PDT by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: billbears; Cannoneer No. 4
Georgia State Flag Before 1879 (Unofficial)

History does not record who made the first Georgia state flag, when it was made, what it looked like, or who authorized its creation. Probably, the banner originated in one of the numerous militia units that existed in antebellum Georgia.

In 1861, a new provision was added to Georgia's code requiring the governor to supply regimental flags to Georgia militia units assigned to fight outside the state. These flags were to depict the "arms of the State" and the name of the regiment, but the code gave no indication as to the color to be used on the arms or the flag's background. In heraldry, "arms" refers to a coat of arms, which is the prominent design--usually shown on a shield--located at the center of an armorial bearing or seal. Arms usually appear on seals, but they are not synonymous with seals.

Based on the best available evidence, the above flag is a reconstruction of the pre-1879 Georgia state flag as it would have appeared using the coat of arms from the 1799 state seal.

98 posted on 04/25/2003 9:35:52 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: billbears
The fixed paid holiday was shot down. But, the county employees can still vote for it as one of the other alternate holidays. They have a choice of several. It boggles the mind that they have a problem with the employees picking what holidays they want. Curiously enough, Confederate Day is one of the choices. The NAACP & Jackson et al can't stand that lol.
99 posted on 04/25/2003 9:35:59 PM PDT by visualops
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To: Arkinsaw
Geez and you're not even FROM Georgia, why are you involved in theis at all?
100 posted on 04/25/2003 9:36:55 PM PDT by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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