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***Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - 24 APR 03/Day 36 - LIVE THREAD***
24 APR 03 | An.American.Expatriate

Posted on 04/23/2003 9:05:41 PM PDT by Mo1

Operation Iraqi Freedom

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Good Morning.

This is the Daily Thread of Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - LIVE THREAD.

It is designed for general conversation about the events of the day. In depth discussion of events should be left to individual threads - but links to the threads or other articles is highly encouraged. This allows us to stay abreast of the situation in general, while also providing a means of obtaining specific information.


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Threat Gone, Iraqis Unearth Hussein's Nameless Victims

By IAN FISHER

BU GHRAIB, Iraq, April 24 — First the gravedigger found some teeth. "Please, just barely scrape the sand," Adel Rahaif Hani, whose brother, Satter, was arrested as a political prisoner in 1995, begged the digger. "I'm worried he's just below this layer."

Mr. Hani came to a cemetery here today, like dozens of other Iraqis, not with the name of his dead brother but with a number. Satter's number was 535. A cousin, Sagur, arrested at the same time, was 537.

These numbers were what was left of people convicted as enemies of Saddam Hussein and then made to disappear. Their graves were not dignified with names but with numbers painted on metal plates. The plates spread like rusty weeds, covering more and more feet of desert every year Mr. Hussein held power.

But now that he is gone, the families of the disappeared are finding the numbers, matching them to the metal plates and finally collecting their dead.

These were people executed — most by hanging in the fearsome Abu Ghraib prison a mile away — merely because the government considered them a threat. Many were Shiite Muslims more active in their religion than the Sunni-dominated government felt it could tolerate.

"This is all because of Saddam!" shrieked Ali Majid al-Shamali, in tears, as he waved his arms at the long rows of graves marked with metal signs, well over 1,000 of them. "My brother! My brother!"

He sat on the ground and stroked the dirt on the grave of his only brother, Walid, arrested in October, 1993. A man from another family at the graveyard tried to comfort him. "You lost only one person?" the man asked. "We lost eight here."

Two women in black wailed. Both men started to cry.

"Why these innocent people?" Mr. Shamali yelled. "Why?"

The thousands of Iraqis executed as political prisoners — more probably tens or hundreds of thousands — might have been unidentified forever, except that the Hussein government, which was as bureaucratically efficient as it was cruel, kept records of most everyone it killed. These were not available to ordinary Iraqis. But now a new organization, the Committee for Free Prisoners, says it has received millions of documents from the custodians of the nation's graveyards for executed political prisoners. The numbers are contained in these documents.

The head of the group, Ibrahim Raouf Idrisi, who says he spent 6 of his 35 years in prisons because he joined a Muslim party, has opened the records to family members to find what happened to their loved ones, and they are coming here every day.

Sitting today in the abandoned house in Baghdad of a Hussein general, whose rooms are now piled with fat green record books of torture and execution, Mr. Idrisi mused at the hundreds of millions of dollars Mr. Hussein spent jailing and killing his enemies. "If he had spent only half that money on the people, they would have loved him," he said. "He is a terrorist, the only terrorist in the universe."

The documents represent only a small part of what existed on cemeteries around Iraq, he said, before the government went on a spree of paper shredding in its last hours.

Much survived. Mr. Hani, for example, now has the death certificate of his brother, which states plainly that on Aug. 23, 1997 he was "executed by hanging."

A slightly broader picture of what happened has emerged from the chief gravedigger, just 21 years old. He is Muhammad Muslim Muhammad and he said he began digging graves here when he was 14 to fulfill his military service.

He said he received the bodies every Wednesday at about 11 a.m., after the weekly hangings at around 5 a.m. There were never fewer than nine bodies to bury. During one especially bad time in 2001, he said, the numbers rose. One day he buried 18 people. He said he had never told anyone the details of his job.

"I didn't open my mouth, or I would have ended up with these poor people here," he said.

The oldest graves in the cemetery, he said, date to 1983, four years after Mr. Hussein took power. The most recent, he said, was from six months ago, about the time that Mr. Hussein declared an amnesty for prisoners at Abu Ghraib as the threat of an attack by the United States rose.

He said he personally helped bury 700 people, but he has no idea how many bodies are in the cemetery, a walled-off part of the huge Islamic cemetery here. The area is sizable, measuring about 130 graves by 25 graves, which if full might hold more than 3,000 bodies.

Slowly, the area is emptying of corpses. In the two weeks since the government fell, the families have been coming, but they were not able to find their relatives until the documents were recovered. So far, Mr. Muhammad said, 80 bodies have been removed.

It is not easy, even for families who have the numbers. Today, a 40-year-old tailor named Hassan Jassim arrived with a scrap of paper scrawled with the number 849, which was supposed to mark the grave of his brother, Selim.

A student in the Hawsa, the Shiite religious school in Najaf, about 85 miles south of Baghdad, Selim was arrested in 1998 at the family's home in Baghdad. The military then destroyed the house.

What Mr. Jassim wanted was to provide his brother with a proper Islamic burial, in which the body is ritually washed and wrapped in white linen. But he could not find the grave: The numbers ran from 847 to 848, then skipped up to 853.

They decided to dig anyway. "Do you want me to dig up everything or just the head," the gravedigger asked. Mr. Jassim decided just to see the head, because he believed he could identify his brother by his two missing back teeth.

"There are so many graves that don't have numbers," he said. "We don't know what to do."

The dirt was dry and easily dug and soon the gravedigger held up a skull. "It's not him," Mr. Jassim said. "The teeth are complete."

At grave No. 444, a large family worked together to unearth Hamid Omran, who was 31 when he was arrested in 1994. As the family carefully lifted the bones onto fresh linen, his cousin, Farhan Jassim, 47, exploded in anger.

"I don't think there was a regime in the world that treated political prisoners the way Saddam did," he said. "You can't imagine such exaggerated injustice."

The jaw surfaced. Mr. Hussein, the cousin said, "hated every Iraqi. Believe me, he hated all Iraqis."

Then the family found the skull, which showed a crack in a temple. A guard kicked him when he was arrested, the family said.

Another cousin, Thaer Ghawi, 27, wept as he smoked a cigarette once the bones were out of the grave. "We are just people who opposed the regime," he said. "Why couldn't he just put political prisoners in prison?"

Mr. Hani, the man whose brother disappeared in 1995, spent three hours picking through the grave of his brother. It was laborious. After the teeth, a few small bones, perhaps from the feet or hands, were found. Finally, Mr. Hani had found enough to fill a small coffin. He did not find the skull.

"It is enough for me," he said as he loaded the coffin onto a truck. "I feel relieved. What worried me before was I didn't know if he was alive or dead. Now I know."

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/25/international/worldspecial/25PRIS.html?pagewanted=2

722 posted on 04/24/2003 8:57:13 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Consort
I think Robert DeNiro would also make a good Baghdad Bob.
723 posted on 04/24/2003 8:59:32 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: retrokitten
Goodnite retrokittn, you will dream of Taco Bell, Arbys and all those cookies that you did not cook.
724 posted on 04/24/2003 9:01:05 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: retrokitten
Oh my God!!! I'm there!!! I love taking Ghost tours!! Took one in Ellicott City, MD in October. It was my first one... I'm hooked! Good stuff!!
725 posted on 04/24/2003 9:02:45 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Tom Daschle needs to go!!!!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Quickly checking in..

Robert DeNiro = Gen Tommy Franks
Denzel Washington = Gen Brooks

Robin Williams (?) -= Baghdad Bob
726 posted on 04/24/2003 9:02:55 PM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: DollyCali
Jay Leno has all military in his audience tonight. They're soooo cute!
727 posted on 04/24/2003 9:04:22 PM PDT by Timeout ("They have not led. We will."---George W. Bush, 2000 GOP convention)
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To: CurlyBill
Ellicott City is a great place. Oozes with charm.

Lets have a midwest FReeper summer get together w/Retro being tour leader at ghosttour.
728 posted on 04/24/2003 9:04:43 PM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: DollyCali
And Barney Frank can play that Iraqi Germ Lady.
730 posted on 04/24/2003 9:06:22 PM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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MSNBC reported that Ben Johnson the Fox News truck driver that was fired and accused of thief of paintings of Uday sqeeled on the Boston Newpaper reporter.
731 posted on 04/24/2003 9:07:21 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Mango Chutney
I've been involved with hockey most of my life.... It's the greatest game there is!! There is nothing like playoff hockey in all of sports!! I'm watching triple overtime of the Ducks/Stars game as I type. This game could end in the next minute, or it could last two more hours.... it just doesn't get any better. Well, it would be better for me if my team (Washington Capitals) were in it!!
732 posted on 04/24/2003 9:07:27 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Tom Daschle needs to go!!!!)
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To: CurlyBill
I tried to start a curling league when I lived in Bermuda.
733 posted on 04/24/2003 9:10:01 PM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: DollyCali
DeNiro=Tommy Franks? I just don't see it but he can do anybody. I see him as B.Bob. "Whaaaaderya talk'in bout? Yer gett'in on my nerves tell'in me the infadels are in Baghdad! Geddoudddaheyah!"
735 posted on 04/24/2003 9:11:16 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: Timeout
I'll say right now....I do not believe it.

I admit, it is based in part on not wanting to believe it. But I defy anyone to listen to the stirring speeches Blair gave in the days and weeks leading up to the war and since and detect the hand of clinton. The only thing was the wanting the 2nd resolution. Did clinton propose that? If so, my hope that Blair had washed his hands of his association with clinton, perhaps was realized after he saw how worthless that advice turned out to be.

I am truly disappointed if this is true. I don't want to believe it!
736 posted on 04/24/2003 9:12:07 PM PDT by cyncooper (thousands of cheering Iraqis yelled, "America, America, America," and "Bush, Bush, Bush.")
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To: DollyCali
Dolly!! Have you been to Ellicott City?
737 posted on 04/24/2003 9:12:20 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Tom Daschle needs to go!!!!)
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Was anyone looking at MSNBC just now when they were reporting on Baghdad Bob and some deal or contract that he and Portugal were discussing? I was in the middle of posting and just happen to look up and only got the tail end of it. MSNBC said the deal fell through because Baghdad bob vanished and no one knows his whereabouts. I did not get the first part.
738 posted on 04/24/2003 9:12:30 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Carolina
With any luck, next it will be clinton's dossier we're reading, ala the Galloway files.
739 posted on 04/24/2003 9:14:53 PM PDT by cyncooper (thousands of cheering Iraqis yelled, "America, America, America," and "Bush, Bush, Bush.")
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To: Consort
Hey, we have a curling rink here in Maryland where I play and coach. The "curling addition" is only about a year old... I've never tried it myself.
740 posted on 04/24/2003 9:15:49 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Tom Daschle needs to go!!!!)
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