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***Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - 24 APR 03/Day 36 - LIVE THREAD***
24 APR 03 | An.American.Expatriate

Posted on 04/23/2003 9:05:41 PM PDT by Mo1

Operation Iraqi Freedom

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Good Morning.

This is the Daily Thread of Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - LIVE THREAD.

It is designed for general conversation about the events of the day. In depth discussion of events should be left to individual threads - but links to the threads or other articles is highly encouraged. This allows us to stay abreast of the situation in general, while also providing a means of obtaining specific information.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: DollyCali
USS Shangri La - I worked on that carrier in the old Brooklyn Navy yard.
121 posted on 04/24/2003 2:09:29 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: DollyCali
It sure is...and I'm going to go exercise using the closed eyelid/lung moving method.

I think some call it sleep! Night folks.
122 posted on 04/24/2003 2:10:34 AM PDT by Fledermaus (Iraq - Free At Last!)
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To: DollyCali
re: cambodia.. What a shame. The few folks I have met are so gentle and sweet.

When I got home, I tried very hard to find paying work that would send me back to Cambodia (I almost talked a newspaper into it). They are wonderful people, too gentle for their own good, an easy target for armpits like Pol Pot (who would have been like Saddam Hussein if Cambodia had oil).

I miss my friends...

123 posted on 04/24/2003 2:11:02 AM PDT by umbagi (There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express it. -- Cicero)
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To: TexKat
Hi TK.... doesn't seem like anything really new since this afternoon except the suicide bombing in Israel .. 2 killed.

a couple more names released re: cards.
124 posted on 04/24/2003 2:11:30 AM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: All
MSNBC just reported that General Jay Garner will be having a press conference at 6 a.m. eastern time.
125 posted on 04/24/2003 2:12:01 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: DollyCali
does that also include internet access for an extra amount?

No, you have to have an ISP, so it's an "extra" cost above that...

126 posted on 04/24/2003 2:12:34 AM PDT by umbagi (There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express it. -- Cicero)
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To: TexKat
I hope Garner lays down the law in Baghdad and we get those Irani troublemakers out of the city.
127 posted on 04/24/2003 2:14:27 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: umbagi
Have you ever been able to return for a visit?

I recall your prior days posts that most if not all your cambodian friends/contacts were killed.

It would probably be painful to return but if you haven't done so yet, might offer you some closure..

there is always various types of mssionary work there.....even if you aren't super involved or knowledgeable in the religious sense, all sorts of support people are needed on the mission field.

That was a long time ago that you wanted to return.. but if it is possible, I would contemplate it.
128 posted on 04/24/2003 2:16:40 AM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: Consort
You worked on the Shang ! wow

Did you do the de-commissioning?
129 posted on 04/24/2003 2:17:47 AM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: TexKat
45 minutes.. good for Garner conference. can listen on fox....

OH, NO HELP... MY FOX AUDIO JUST WENT OFF & A MESSAGE STATED MY MEDIA PLAYER HAS TIMED OUT...

ANYONE HAVE A CLUE?
130 posted on 04/24/2003 2:19:53 AM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: DollyCali
Did you do the de-commissioning?

No. Just repair work. I helped bring the Franklyn into Bayonne for the last time before she was sold for scrap. She still had damage from the Japanese kamikazes.

131 posted on 04/24/2003 2:23:13 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: DollyCali
I never had an audio timeout. Try reloading it or rebooting.
132 posted on 04/24/2003 2:25:34 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: DollyCali
there is always various types of mssionary work there.....even if you aren't super involved or knowledgeable in the religious sense, all sorts of support people are needed on the mission field.

Yes, I explored that avenue, too... I'm both "involved" and "knowledgeable in the religious sense," and I had a commercial pilot's license, so there was a lot of interest from several organizations. I've preached some, and taught a long-running class that involved doing my own translation of about half the NT...

All of those organizations, though, required that I raise my own support (most of them were pretty crass about it, too, wanting 2x what it would cost to keep me in the field), and (1) I'm not good at asking people for money, and (2) their attitude turned me off to the whole missionary approach. I know there are good outfits doing the Lord's work, but the ones I dealt with seemed more interested in raising their "administrative costs" than spreading the Word...

133 posted on 04/24/2003 2:26:01 AM PDT by umbagi (There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express it. -- Cicero)
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To: All
Iraq after the war

Posted: April 24, 2003

1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 Newspaper Enterprise Assn.

President Bush bet his entire wad on a short and relatively painless war against Saddam Hussein. The Democrats, perforce, were left to hope that it would be long, agonizing and bloody. For a few days in late March, they nursed a wild surmise that the facts on the ground would prove them right.

Basra resisted the British for several days, and when at last they occupied it there was little dancing in the streets. (The Iraqis, we now know, were just being cautious – Saddam hadn't been defeated yet.) The American supply lines from Kuwait to Baghdad looked dangerously long – maybe Donald Rumsfeld had indeed underestimated the troops that would be needed to defend them. And when that hope faded, there was still the prospect of a long street-by-street, house-by-house slog through Baghdad, with huge casualties on both sides. But Baghdad fell in a few days, after a series of miscellaneous skirmishes – and then came the dancing in the streets.

Meanwhile, the "Arab street" all over the Middle East failed to rise, as predicted, in homicidal fury against America. And Osama bin Laden, after taping a summons to his followers to wreak vengeance on the Great Satan, is still waiting in his cave for their response.

The New York Times' Johnny "Quagmire" Apple scarcely had time to write his usual obituary for the president before it was clear that George W. Bush had won the gamble and would pocket every poker chip on the table. The Democratic National Committee is reportedly negotiating with Saddam's famously imaginative Information Minister, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, to serve as an adviser on how to make the party's prospects in 2004 look encouraging.

But the political game is never really over, and Bush's foes are determined to wring some comfort out of what they will, of course, deem his "mismanagement" of postwar Iraq.

For one thing, Gen. Tommy Franks, who saved countless civilian lives with his precision bombs, seems to have been slow about converting his troops into guards for the National Museum of Iraq and its archeological treasures, which suffered from looting in the chaotic days before the city fell. One would have thought its resident curators might have anticipated that problem and prepared against it, but there are reports that the looting was an inside job.

Then there is the whole vexed question of how – if at all – Iraq can be converted into a functioning free-market democracy. Bear in mind that Iraq has been a one-party socialist dictatorship since 1958, so no Iraqi under 60 – which is to say, the vast majority of the population – can have any mature recollection of what it is like to live in a free society. Whether they are ready and able to do so now is, therefore, a very good question.

We can be sure that Bush and his advisers will do their very best, but it is wise to recognize that the road is strewn with pitfalls. What political leaders will emerge – either among the returning exiles or from the indigenous population – who can capture the confidence of the people and build the political and economic institutions that are indispensable to a free society?

How can Iraq's immense oil wealth, which must be used for the benefit of its people, be protected from the sort of business predators who looted post-Soviet Russia? What skilled American corporations can be enlisted in the vast project of national reconstruction without being denounced by the Democrats as mere house pets of Bush and his cronies? How can we fend off the predictable efforts of the United Nations (meaning, of course, Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schroeder) to take over economic and political control of the new Iraq on the grounds that only in this way can it acquire "legitimacy"?

These are just a few of the questions that will predictably be blown up into major issues by the president's critics in a desperate effort to blame him for alleged "blunders." But the American people are realists and will not expect perfection. We, in turn, must hope that the Iraqi people, having tasted the elixir of freedom, will want more of it, and be ready to sacrifice for it. It would be a tragedy, indeed, if it turns out that the only economic skill they have an aptitude for is looting.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32224

134 posted on 04/24/2003 2:30:20 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: umbagi
Thanks for you sharing.

I am also involved re: church. Actually I am an ordained minister! Last full time work was as a hospital chaplain in Houston. I worked with AIDS & cancer patients. was on staff at teaching hospital & also worked w/hospice.

I would like to go to possibly central america or the Islands full time as missionary when my mom dies. (but, hey, she may outlive me!)

Will be away for about 10 minutes.. need to reboot & do a few things before 6 AM conference.

I also have NOT slept yet .. so will get some wine & try to clear my mind a bit..
135 posted on 04/24/2003 2:32:34 AM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: yall
Wow, it's 4:30 here...

Mama just woke up and asked me to come rub her back (how can I decline?), and I've got to get some work done tomorrow/today, to pay some bills!

Enjoyed it (took a couple of days off from the thread, but read it all!)...

G'Nite, Y'all -- BBL.

136 posted on 04/24/2003 2:33:45 AM PDT by umbagi (There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express it. -- Cicero)
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To: TexKat
The Dems will be as much trouble as the Arab agitators.
137 posted on 04/24/2003 2:37:33 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: TexKat; All
Good article. Thanks for keeping us "honest" to the spirit of this thread.

I havent' left yet (obviously)....did get fox audio back.

some idiot is saying what a bad pres W is.. time to re-boot

catch you all later
138 posted on 04/24/2003 2:38:02 AM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: Consort; All
Dr. Bob Arnot is reporting on MSNBC that there are a large number of armed Iranians wondering around in Iraq in various cities trying to stir up trouble. There are none at the present in Baghdad per Arnot.

MSNBC also reporting that the coalition is making it clear that only the coalition has authority in Iraq, and the coalition alone, anyone else trying to exurpt authority will be arrested.
139 posted on 04/24/2003 2:38:10 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: DollyCali
Welcome Aboard to FR. Outstanding profile page!

If you plan to visit Florida and like sailing, give me a FReep mail. :-))

Mustang sends from "Malpaso" News.
140 posted on 04/24/2003 2:41:50 AM PDT by Mustang (Evil Thrives When Good People Do Nothing!)
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