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Rowan Williams apologises to Freemasons
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 20/04/2003 | Chris Hastings and Elizabeth Day

Posted on 04/22/2003 1:54:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, has been forced to apologise to Britain's 330,000 Freemasons after he said that their beliefs were incompatible with Christianity and that he had rejected them from senior posts in his diocese.

Dr Williams has written to Robert Morrow, the Grand Secretary of the United Grand Lodge of England, in an attempt to defuse the row prompted by comments he made last year. In his letter, the Archbishop apologises for the "distress" he caused and discloses that his own father was a member of the Craft.

Freemasons, many of whom are active members of the Church of England, reacted angrily to his disclosure that he "had real misgivings about the compatibility of Masonry and Christian profession" and by his admission that, as Bishop of Monmouth, he had blocked the appointment of Freemasons to senior appointments.

His comments about Freemasons were in a private letter leaked to the media shortly after Downing Street confirmed his appointment as head of the Church of England.

Subsequent attempts by his advisers to defuse the row only caused further offence. A spokesman said the Archbishop was worried about the ritual element of Freemasonry, which has been seen as "satanically inspired".

In his letter of apology, Dr Williams tries to distance himself from his own reported comments. He claims that his views were never meant to be public and were distorted by the media.

He wrote: "I have been sorry to learn of the distress of a considerable number of Freemasons . . . In replying to private correspondence, I had no intention of starting a public debate nor of questioning the good faith and generosity of individual Freemasons and I regret the tone and content of the media coverage."

He added: "The quoted statements about the 'satanic' character of the Masonic ceremonies and other matters did not come from me and do not represent my judgment. Since my late father was a member of the Craft for many years, I have had every opportunity of observing the probity of individual members."

Dr Williams does not, in his letter, deny that he has misgivings about the role of Freemasons within the Church.

He wrote: "Where anxieties exist, however, they are in relation not to Freemasonry but to Christian ministers subscribing to what could be and often is understood [or misunderstood] as a private system of profession and initiation, involving the taking of oaths of loyalty."

He ends his letter by stating that Freemasons' commitment to charity and the community is beyond question.


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To: nhbob1
The Masons posting here do not need the fictitious "references" you so fondly cite. We have been through the degrees and know that they in no way, form or fashion deal with Satan/Lucifer worship.

Uh, yeah, right. You may wish to find books higher than the level you are at to figure it out though. You know if you are beyond the 13th level that they are willing to lie to you. What keeps them from lying to you again at the 30th? The key to the lie is the redefinition of what lucifer and God is. According to the Bible God made lucifer. Co-equal? NOT! So if you can get this basic concept wrong, what else is possible. Does the truth depend on lies? No a truth stands alone, there can be many lies but only one truth. Do lies depend on the truth? But of course, without the truth, nothing is a lie, all things become relative. Without a zero on your ruler my friend, nothing can be measured from any point to anywhere, it can be 2 or 3 or 87 away if you do not have a common reference. The reference of life is God and what he made, to be run as he commands. To make it otherwise, to bend the truth to a new and greater truth is a lie.

The FACT that truth can live without lies, but lies cannot live without truth DISPROVES the entire foundation of the yin yang adonoy/lucifer balance thing. But then he is a liar is he not?

How much darkness does it take to chase light from a room?

Just go look, there are plenty of Grandpa's old Masonry books cleaned out of the attic and sold to the Bookstores when he met his maker by his grandkids.

If you do not like my sources, find your own, but by all means, GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF! Do not trust your soul to someone stroking your ego. "Do you not know that you too can be as God" is the first lie from the Garden. Still, men are suckers for it. (And if it helps, I am not a Catholic, which for some reason discounts some posters here, even though Masonry says that they embrace all. Perhaps some less than others...)

Go look for yourself, vs trust me and I will lead you to greater understanding of the secret things and power, pay no attention to this or that, it is all lies, what I wisper, it is the only truth...

Horsepucky, I have read the books myself, you can do the same. Besides, if you want to get to the higher levels, it sure helps to know the answers to the test. Just like your Masters tell you, if you want to advance, study Masonry. I am telling you the same. Study EACH LEVEL and ask God to show you the truth, ask Him to show you the common thread. Watch how each step of the way builds on the last, to turn light into dark and dark into light.

And watch your arse, the guys at the top know full well what they are playing with. Don't ask stupid questions, ask smart ones.

401 posted on 04/25/2003 3:33:44 AM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: American in Israel
Where's the BEEF?

Inside your head!

402 posted on 04/25/2003 6:27:03 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: TradicalRC
Wow. 389 posts and not one mentions the freemasons overtaking the funeral procession of Pope Pius IX and throwing his body into the Tiber.

And whats even funnier. Not one mention or notice by all you good Catholics that you are on a thread whose main theme centers on the Anglican Church!

403 posted on 04/25/2003 6:37:51 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Wanted to let you know it's been a pleasure reading your posts. I think so few Catholics realize what an enemy Masonry is to our faith.

Oh come on now, capin'. Masonry has not done one tenth the damage to your church as has the sex scandals of late.

404 posted on 04/25/2003 6:40:45 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: American in Israel
No, I became aware of the deception when I found a set of Mason books in the walls of an abandoned house.

Oh my word, what a liar you are. Are polycarp and tonto going to have to call you again on this one, like the did on the bogus masonic letter that you posted?

405 posted on 04/25/2003 6:42:54 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: TradicalRC
For your edification:

Giovanni Maria Mastai-Ferretti (b. May 13, 1792, Senigallia, Papal States--d. Feb. 7, 1878, Rome), head of the Roman Catholic Church whose pontificate (1846-78) was the longest in history and was marked by a transition from liberalism to conservatism.1 .

On Dec. 8, 1864, Pius issued the encyclical Quanta Cura with the Syllabus listing 80 of the "principal errors of our times." The 80th "error" was that "the Roman Pontif can or should reconcile himself to and agree with progress, liberalism, and modern civilization."

The first Vatican Council opened on Dec. 8, 1869. On July 13, 1870 it was decided that the Pope was Infallable when he made pronouncements ex cathedra.

An unconfirmed and suspect story regarding Pius IX is "of peculiar interest to Masons, because the records of the Italian Grand Lodge show His infallible Holiness to have been expelled from the fraternity after his election as pope. Victor Emanuel, having been aided by Garibaldi, a 33° Mason, in overthrowing the temporal power of the papacy and establishing religious and constitutional liberty in Italy, was informed that the Pope, when a young man, had been Initiated, Passed and Raised in a Masonic lodge. He therefore caused him to be tried for repeated violations of his obligations to the Masonic brethren. Pius IX was found guilty, expelled, and the proclamation of his expulsion, signed by Victor Emanuel, then king of Italy and grand master of Masons in that country, was sent all over the Masonic world."2

"...in 1865 Pope Pius IX was called upon to appear before the proper Masonic authorities, and... he was expelled from the Order on March 27th, 1873, by command of Victor Emanuel, King of Italy and Grand Master of the East of Italy." 3 .

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. New Encyclopaedia Britannica. 1989. v.9, page 485. ^

2. W. G. Sibley [William Giddings] (1860-1935), The Story of Freemasonry. Gallipolis, Ohio. The Lion's Paw Club, Gallipolis Daily Tribune Press: 1904. p. 23-24. [114p. 19cm.]. No reference or citation noted. ^

3. The Square. Volume 2, Number 3, March, 1922. British Columbia's Masonic Magazine. page 37. "...taken from a book published by W.G. Sibley:" Note that this story was earlier promoted by the confessed fraud, Léo Taxil, [Pie IX, Franc-maçon? De la lumière! Encore de la lumière! Et toujours de la lumière! Paris: Téqui, Libraire-éditeur, 85 Rue de Rennes, 85. 1892] ^

406 posted on 04/25/2003 9:07:54 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Thanks. Does it say anything specific about what the repeated violations of his obligations to the Masonic brethren were?
407 posted on 04/25/2003 10:26:26 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Fides quaerens intellectum.)
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To: Ff--150
Grand Wizard of the colonies prior our nation's birth.

CORRECTION,,,Grand Master.

408 posted on 04/25/2003 11:42:02 AM PDT by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
--No, I became aware of the deception when I found a set of Mason books in the walls of an abandoned house.

Oh my word, what a liar you are. Are polycarp and tonto going to have to call you again on this one, like the did on the bogus masonic letter that you posted?

Call away oh deebness. I was there. Say what ever you like. Insults seem to be the extent of your ability, reason and counter point having been left behind long ago.

409 posted on 04/26/2003 12:35:42 AM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: Brian Allen
By way of the application of a certain intellectual efficiency. Your ignorance is palpable. Especially when you couple it with your self-righteousness and with your pride and presume to judge!

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Your logic is defective: You have decided I am wrong because you have decided I am wrong. (To hell with the testimonies of former Masons who have left after finding Christ -- to say nothing of the Scriptures contradicting Masonic doctrine.)

Brian is right, because, dammit: Brian LIKES his precious Masons. End of story. All who disagree (BenR2 chief among them) are ipso facto self-righteous and proud.

Okay. Have it your way: Continue to support an organization that laughably puts Confucious and Plato on an equal plane with the LORD Jesus Christ. It will be interesting watching you (and hordes of equally-deceived fellow Masons) attempt defend that doctrine on Judgement Day to the King (Whose Name is the LORD Jesus Christ -- and NOT "the Architect").
410 posted on 04/26/2003 12:47:03 AM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: Brian Allen
attempt defend = attempting to defend
411 posted on 04/26/2003 12:49:14 AM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: Brian Allen
If you are aware of the doctrines of the freemasons and you study the doctrines of the Holy Bible; you also will realize the differences between good and evil; religion and the faith of Jesus Christ; judgement,justice and mercy as opposed to Papal and ecumenical Roman catholicism,athiesism,the trinity of the Creator God and His Christ; heresy and truth.
Search the scriptures.
412 posted on 05/05/2003 6:57:03 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 ("The truth will set you free.")
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To: Qwerty
Well, how uninformed are we? Masons do NOT have to pledge a belief in the christian god. As a Master Mason, and a very devoted pagan and hermeticist, I would never pledge loyalty to a religion I know to be superfluous. Masonry was born out of the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus (the thrice great god of teaching: a combonation of the Egyptian god Thoth and the Greek god Hermes). We masons are tolerant of Christians, but we certainly are not of that wretched faith of ignorance and self deception. We are free, free to be the masters of our own life. Get it? FREE!
413 posted on 04/21/2004 9:47:48 AM PDT by tetrehedron
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To: American in Israel
There is no ultimate truth. Everything is relative. If you believe for one moment that the crap coming from your mouth/hand is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth... you are truly decieved... just as most Christians are.
414 posted on 04/21/2004 10:04:52 AM PDT by tetrehedron
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To: Jn316
Qwerty doesn't know the first thing about being a mason. You have to have a belief in a supreme being, but said being doesn't have to be of christian origin. I am a master mason, a devoted pagan and hermeticist, and the worshipful master at the lodge I proudly belong to is just an older version of myself. He is not the least bit christian and neither is any truly advanced master mason. There are christian masons, but the second they discover the true origins of the craft, they run for the hills and pray to their jesus for forgiveness. Masonry, like Rosicrucianism, has it's roots planted firmly in hermetics, the teachings of the ancient hermes- trismegitus (thrice great). What I have just stated is one of the primary secrets of Freemasonry (the only reason I'm telling you this is because of the crap I've been reading). And as for devil worship? We don't believe in the existance of any devil! Remember, we are not christians, and christianity is the only religion where the dark naughty one can be found. We have been around a very long time and we will be here long after christianity is wiped out. But, until then, we will continue to advance financially & spiritually within the context of our grand lodge while maintaining our alliances with organizations we greatly oppose. The best way to wipe out a people is to 'breed them in'. Have you learned nothing from the Romans? WE have.
415 posted on 04/21/2004 12:16:46 PM PDT by tetrehedron
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To: narses
Who cares if we are compatible with you? With everything your church has done to its innocent youth, it should be wiped from existence. Your beliefs, practice, unholy code of conduct, and utter lack of self control are contemptible to say the least. Your church is the sewage of this planet and the fact that you feel righteous enough to post something that obnoxious only confirms the fact that you are depraved and insane. Something needs to be done about this...
416 posted on 04/21/2004 12:34:34 PM PDT by tetrehedron
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