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Offshore outsourcing grows
The Atlanta Business Chronicle ^ | April 18, 2003 print edition | Anya Martin

Posted on 04/21/2003 11:41:20 AM PDT by Willie Green

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To trim costs last year, Alpharetta-based MAPICS outsourced approximately 80 percent of its major application coding and development to New Delhi, India-based HCL Technologies and formed a five-year partnership.

A year later, the money saved, an estimated 35 percent compared with handling the labor in-house, helped keep the firm profitable in a troubled economy and to facilitate its $30 million acquisition of competitor Frontstep Inc. (Nasdaq: FSTP) in January.

"It's just a good model for us; what it gives me is the flexibility to scale up or down depending on the product development projects over time," said Alan MacLamroc, chief technology executive for MAPICS Inc. (Nasdaq: MAPX), a manufacturing software services provider.

MAPICS is just one of a growing number of U.S. companies outsourcing IT development and software writing overseas to save money, and the trend is expected to grow, according to industry analysts.

The North American IT outsourcing market is projected to increase from $101 billion in 2000 to $160 billion in 2005, and 26 percent of firms already using offshore services plan to double their spending in this area within the next year, according to Gartner Dataquest.

Popular locations for IT outsourcing include India, Ireland, China, Singapore, the Philip-pines, Russia and South Africa.

This trend is similar to companies sending manufacturing overseas to take advantage of cheap labor and operating costs 25 years ago, said Martin Tilson, partner and chair of the technology practice in the Atlanta offices of law firm Kilpatrick Stockton LLP.

An increasing number of noncore services are also being exported to educated offshore work forces, including IT services, product and software development, call centers, human resources, bookkeeping and even entire financial departments, he said.

"We live in an electronic global marketplace where physical borders are less constraining, so once services are moved out and working properly, short of a cataclysmic war where borders are closed, they are probably not coming back," Tilson said.

Within the next 15 years, U.S. companies will send abroad an estimated 3.3 million U.S. service industry jobs, or $136 billion in U.S. wages, according to Forrester Research.

MAPICS' outsourcing to HCL Technologies Ltd. resulted in an approximately 12 percent staff reduction, and the company also underwent a restructuring last spring after the January 2002 deal, MacLamroc said.

Fortune 500 or Fortune 1000 firms have led the trend of offshore outsourcing, with small to midsized companies accounting for just 1 percent of all outsourcing.

That number is not expected to increase to more than 10 percent by 2005, according to Forrester.

Countries compete

The number of countries offering cheap IT labor is also in flux, with new players entering the market while more established ones mature, said Stan Anderson, managing partner at TechDiscovery LLC, an Atlanta-based software development outsourcing provider, which is considering bidding jointly with Indian firms for jobs.

"There's quite a bit of competition among developing shops in cities like Hyderabad and Banglor," he said. "They're now hiring from each other in much the way it was in Silicon Valley a few years ago."

However, if Indian IT salaries are driven up too significantly, cost advantages may diminish, with U.S. companies looking to other locales for talent, Anderson said.

For example, Israeli software firms, once a low-cost alternative, are now more likely to team with U.S. companies as equal players, said Tom Glazer, president of the American-Israeli Chamber of Commerce, Southeast region.

Not all overseas outsourcing experiences offer a happy ending, and companies should ensure that projects sent offshore are clearly defined in terms of goals and technical requirements, Anderson said.

"If you can't explain it to people thousands of miles away, you're not going to have a satisfactory outcome," he said.

MAPICS evaluated potential outsourcers rigorously, checking company references with other firms who had used them and carefully evaluating each contractor's network infrastructure, MacLamroc said.

Communication

A key factor to success is ongoing management and training, as well as ongoing daily communication with the vendor, made easy by videoconferencing advances, he said.

"We have online meetings where we may be projecting the actual application screens live and walking through a design review or an actual code review," MacLamroc said.

Although security might seem like it would be a bigger concern when sending work overseas in the current climate of terrorism, MacLamroc said he felt no more worries in this area than if a project was done domestically.

"Back when there was a lot of saber-rattling between Pakistan and India, we did fairly extensive what-if planning with the vendor in case things were to spiral out of hand," he said. "But I don't think there's any significant difference with security. There are just heightened security [risks] everywhere around the world right now."

Anya Martin is a contributing writer for Atlanta Business Chronicle. Reach her at atlantatechbiz@bizjournals.com.


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To: samuel_adams_us
Jeeze, dude, can you throw me a few more softballs? This is going to be fun.

"People like you make me laugh. The virtues and ideas of which I expound are the same that the WWI and WWII generation of the United States lived."

Me, too. Hard work, individual liberty, refusing handouts, not depending on anyone, owning lots of guns, hating the feds, and hating unions. Yup, we share those values. One of us.

"It was during that time that the leaders of our government looked out for and helped the working man in this country and did not sell our jobs to overseas interests."

State your source. Of course, you can't. Just more Marxist progaganda.

"It was then that the officers of corporations tried their best to keep their employees employed"...

No, it was then when you could fire anybody for being stupid. It was then that EMPLOYEES showed up on time, dressed well, and had a good attitude. If they spouted envy of wages, or tried to unionize (same thing), the were out the door. They knew then that nobody owes anyone a job. If you want to bust your butt and kep your mouth shut, you were hired. If you were a marxist whiner, you were fired that day.

" and to make a buck in a moral way instead of filling their pockets and screwing anyone and everyone to fill their need for greed. "

More marxist crap.

"It was then that a hard working, honest, voting american could have a job for a lifetime all the while having time for his family and raising responsibile children who would continue their family traditions, etc. "

Yes, but see above. If you were a whiner, you were fired that day, unlike today, with union restrictions.

"Do we have this today?

Sadly, no. Except in small businesses, where they can still fire you if you whine about management.

" If you call me communist"

Marxist.

"and your family has lived here for more than one generation, "

Over three hundred years, non-Adams

"then you are the son or daughter of such said communist yourself as well as a bigot."

You forgot homophobe.

301 posted on 04/22/2003 4:14:15 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Unions and Marxists say, " Workers of the world unite!")
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To: TopQuark
"THESE people advocating every form of gov't intervention into everything they can imagine, vehemently anti-corporate -- these people call themselves conservatives? G-d help this country."

Exactly. And it shows the NEA and socialists/internationalists have won a major victory. That a "conservative" board would advocate, by and large, the use of government to "make a level playing field" instead of letting us, the individual, handle this.
302 posted on 04/22/2003 4:16:01 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: Beck_isright
"It appears to me that the education has finally won the war the Soviets could not. To honestly believe that the government and taxation are the cures OR an integral part of the free enterpise system as demonstrated by some of the comments on this thread tells me that I can not go from semi-retired to fully retired soon enough. "

Stick around; we need you.

Socialists always depend on capitalists backing down. The house of cards collapses in the face of the truth.

We need you, your wisdom, and experience.

303 posted on 04/22/2003 4:18:33 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Unions and Marxists say, " Workers of the world unite!")
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To: sharktrager
Actually it goes against the concept of overtaxation and government intrusion. American's need to be able to compete, wages are only a small part of the problem.
304 posted on 04/22/2003 4:19:11 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Beck_isright
That a "conservative" board would advocate, by and large, the use of government to "make a level playing field" instead of letting us, the individual, handle this.

Government policies are what have skewed the playing field.
You, the individual, are powerless to set things straight on your own.
A change in government policy is the only thing that can restore equity.

305 posted on 04/22/2003 4:21:53 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
"A change in government policy is the only thing that can restore equity."

No, only a change in government. We need to rent better people personality wise. The policies are created by the "idealists" who think that the real world was in text books.
306 posted on 04/22/2003 4:26:59 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: MonroeDNA
"Stick around; we need you."

I'm here. Fighting mad and hoping the Leafs and Flyers beat the hell out of each other so my old home team gets an easier path to the finals:) I'll stick around until AM bans me.

"Socialists always depend on capitalists backing down. The house of cards collapses in the face of the truth."

Actually you are only 50% correct. Socialists depend on acquiring the military to enforce their point of view. The house of cards only collapses after tens of millions die in vain.

"We need you, your wisdom, and experience."

If after my next Diamond Crown and 4th vodka martini, I have any wisdom left, I shall body slam some more wimps for the good guys. In the mean time, I want to watch the Flyers get beat up on a little:)
307 posted on 04/22/2003 4:30:31 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: Beck_isright
No, only a change in government.

Oh?

And what form of government would you suggest?

308 posted on 04/22/2003 4:31:18 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: PuNcH
Ok, I've finished my second martini and half my smoke. Time for you to put on your non-asbestos fireproof suit.

"How do we protect Inalienable Rights, or have environmental standards or keep a military capable of protecting us and our interests in a world full of societies that dislike us and scoff at "God given rights" and view America as Satan or a thief?"

By taxing the goods and services imported from other nations like we did for over 140 years before the income tax crap started. Do you remember those days? I doubt it. We created the second largest navy in the world at that time, behind the UK, in less than 20 years without an income tax. We also limited those that attempted to cheat within the free enterprise system, well within the acceptable bounds of all free market captialists. Drop the NEA crap and pickup a real history book.

" How is an American worker overpaid in comparison to a slave in communist china?"

A bogus Hegelian question. American workers are not overpaid. They are paid what the market will tolerate and observe. If the government intervenes and distorts market forces, then the ChiCom slave will get the business. Regardless of if we have a deal with China or not.

"Would an American also be overpaid in comparison to a slave in one of Nazi germany's concentration camps?"

Ah yes, the old "Nazi" garbage. What you are attmepting to do is present the point of the Marxist without actually backing up your supposition with a logical starting point. It's not worth discussing. You refuse to accept the logic of free market laissez-faire economics without government intervention, or limited intervention at best. But you keep living in your fantasy world. Pick up a copy of "Atlas Shrugged". Get the large print version so you can't miss a word or a thought in it. Then get back to us.
309 posted on 04/22/2003 4:39:10 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: Willie Green
Anyone still wonder where our jobs and economy have gone? Hear that tremendous sucking sound...
310 posted on 04/22/2003 4:40:48 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Willie Green
"And what form of government would you suggest?"

I did not say TYPE of government. I advocate voting the bums out. But that requires a sheep herder on the proportions of Jesus Christ himself. I'm not that herder. And Reagan is very ill and soon to pass on. There is a difference between changing the government and changing the type of government. I'm a direct person. Do not try to put words or thoughts into my statements. They are 100% black and white.
311 posted on 04/22/2003 4:41:43 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: Willie Green
"You, the individual, are powerless to set things straight on your own."

Perhaps they should unionize, and then maybe workers of the world will unite. And then overthrow the burgoise.
312 posted on 04/22/2003 4:54:45 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Unions and Marxists say, " Workers of the world unite!")
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To: Beck_isright
By taxing the goods and services imported from other nations like we did for over 140 years before the income tax crap started. Do you remember those days? I doubt it. We created the second largest navy in the world at that time, behind the UK, in less than 20 years without an income tax. We also limited those that attempted to cheat within the free enterprise system, well within the acceptable bounds of all free market captialists. Drop the NEA crap and pickup a real history book.

Heeh I just assumed that if I said that you'd call it protectionism, or nationalism or something. I completely agree with you on this.

" How is an American worker overpaid in comparison to a slave in communist china?"

A bogus Hegelian question. American workers are not overpaid. They are paid what the market will tolerate and observe. If the government intervenes and distorts market forces, then the ChiCom slave will get the business. Regardless of if we have a deal with China or not.

Society cannot always tolerate what the market may tolerate. We are paying for this by watching communist china turn into a modern nuclear power who has threatened us with war and certainly threatens a new cold war.

"Would an American also be overpaid in comparison to a slave in one of Nazi germany's concentration camps?" Ah yes, the old "Nazi" garbage. What you are attmepting to do is present the point of the Marxist without actually backing up your supposition with a logical starting point. It's not worth discussing. You refuse to accept the logic of free market laissez-faire economics without government intervention, or limited intervention at best. But you keep living in your fantasy world. Pick up a copy of "Atlas Shrugged". Get the large print version so you can't miss a word or a thought in it. Then get back to us.

Actually the communist and nazi examples are the same in my mind but others often dont see the atrocity until you compare it to nazism. The only point is to leave no room to avoid the communist example.

Society cannot tolerate whatever the market may tolerate. I accept a free market with free also meaning respected inalienable rights, but that is exactly what we do not have. You cant bring out the past and pretend that has anything to do with it now when we are not practicing it. We live in a world full of govt intervention by hostile govt's that have huge interests in undermining America.

313 posted on 04/22/2003 5:00:10 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Beck_isright; Willie Green
"Actually you are only 50% correct. Socialists depend on acquiring the military to enforce their point of view. The house of cards only collapses after tens of millions die in vain"

If capitalists give up, then millions die, under communism.

But the funny thing is, if you just ignore the abuse they throw out, they fade away. They huff and puff (like the head of the Socialist Ba'ath party, Sadaam did), and like Cubans in Grenada did, and like the Soviet Union did. They all depend on fear; reality is sunlight on the socialist vampire.

Be proud of your beliefs, and laugh in their faces.

They always fade away, and it is so satisfying when they do. Trust me; be strong and fearless. Again; Laugh in their faces. They go away.

314 posted on 04/22/2003 5:05:23 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Unions and Marxists say, " Workers of the world unite!")
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To: Willie Green
"And what form of government would you suggest?"

Free trade, free market Capitalism.

315 posted on 04/22/2003 5:10:44 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Unions and Marxists say, " Workers of the world unite!")
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To: A. Pole; TopQuark; Beck_isright; WRhine; nanny; PuNcH; Taxman; Willie Green; sarcasm
Anyone want to join me in shooting communist fish in a barell?

Communists infiltrate unions.
316 posted on 04/22/2003 5:16:53 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Unions and Marxists say, " Workers of the world unite!")
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To: PuNcH
"Society cannot always tolerate what the market may tolerate."

Yes, some will whine, and some will riot.

Let them--it only happens in democrat zones, anyway.

When unionist longshoremen make an average of $120,000 a year, for pulling levers on cranes, don't be surprised when the rest of us hate unions.

317 posted on 04/22/2003 5:25:14 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Unions and Marxists say, " Workers of the world unite!")
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To: PuNcH
" Society cannot tolerate whatever the market may tolerate."

HAH!

You fell into the trap. Society is the MARKET.

" I accept a free market with free also meaning respected inalienable rights, but that is exactly what we do not have."

A free market is the ultimate concept of inalienable rights but you don't see that. With a free market people are given the power to be as much as they want to be based on their desires and abilities. But you want to "level" the playing field for those that are not able to compete. A nuclear scientist has more capabilities than a truck driver but they can not switch jobs. Whoever is in the highest demand has the freedom to select the pay and job they desire if the market is there. Yet your concepts make it appear that you feel the truck driver should be able to run a nuclear power plant because the need is there, regardless of qualifications because of the perceived "inalienable right" to earn a living. That right you perceive is no where in the U.S. Constitution, fyi.

"You cant bring out the past and pretend that has anything to do with it now when we are not practicing it."

Read all my posts. I've pointed out that we have not been practicing "it" since 1932 and FDR.

"We live in a world full of govt intervention by hostile govt's that have huge interests in undermining America."

So the solution is to empower the government instead of the individual? If you really believe that I have a message board for you: www.demorcraticunderground.com
318 posted on 04/22/2003 5:34:50 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: MonroeDNA
"Society cannot always tolerate what the market may tolerate." Yes, some will whine, and some will riot.

That simply does not respond. I'm talking about the difference in a market that may be perfectly happy with slavery, hired killers and mass murder gladiator combat at the local stadium and what a civilized society that respects inalienable rights can tolerate. A govt that acknowledges inalienable rights and hopefully a very limited one, is required.

If you can understand that our govt going to war against an enemy does not automatically mean we are socialists then you can also understand that govt that protects us against slave labor is also not a socialist one. Our govt protecting us against unfair intervention by another govt does not mean we have fallen into socialism.

319 posted on 04/22/2003 5:35:33 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: MonroeDNA
"Communists infiltrate unions."

That is not true. I've had numerous FReepers infer such for the last week.</sarcasm off
320 posted on 04/22/2003 5:36:27 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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