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Offshore outsourcing grows
The Atlanta Business Chronicle ^ | April 18, 2003 print edition | Anya Martin

Posted on 04/21/2003 11:41:20 AM PDT by Willie Green

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To trim costs last year, Alpharetta-based MAPICS outsourced approximately 80 percent of its major application coding and development to New Delhi, India-based HCL Technologies and formed a five-year partnership.

A year later, the money saved, an estimated 35 percent compared with handling the labor in-house, helped keep the firm profitable in a troubled economy and to facilitate its $30 million acquisition of competitor Frontstep Inc. (Nasdaq: FSTP) in January.

"It's just a good model for us; what it gives me is the flexibility to scale up or down depending on the product development projects over time," said Alan MacLamroc, chief technology executive for MAPICS Inc. (Nasdaq: MAPX), a manufacturing software services provider.

MAPICS is just one of a growing number of U.S. companies outsourcing IT development and software writing overseas to save money, and the trend is expected to grow, according to industry analysts.

The North American IT outsourcing market is projected to increase from $101 billion in 2000 to $160 billion in 2005, and 26 percent of firms already using offshore services plan to double their spending in this area within the next year, according to Gartner Dataquest.

Popular locations for IT outsourcing include India, Ireland, China, Singapore, the Philip-pines, Russia and South Africa.

This trend is similar to companies sending manufacturing overseas to take advantage of cheap labor and operating costs 25 years ago, said Martin Tilson, partner and chair of the technology practice in the Atlanta offices of law firm Kilpatrick Stockton LLP.

An increasing number of noncore services are also being exported to educated offshore work forces, including IT services, product and software development, call centers, human resources, bookkeeping and even entire financial departments, he said.

"We live in an electronic global marketplace where physical borders are less constraining, so once services are moved out and working properly, short of a cataclysmic war where borders are closed, they are probably not coming back," Tilson said.

Within the next 15 years, U.S. companies will send abroad an estimated 3.3 million U.S. service industry jobs, or $136 billion in U.S. wages, according to Forrester Research.

MAPICS' outsourcing to HCL Technologies Ltd. resulted in an approximately 12 percent staff reduction, and the company also underwent a restructuring last spring after the January 2002 deal, MacLamroc said.

Fortune 500 or Fortune 1000 firms have led the trend of offshore outsourcing, with small to midsized companies accounting for just 1 percent of all outsourcing.

That number is not expected to increase to more than 10 percent by 2005, according to Forrester.

Countries compete

The number of countries offering cheap IT labor is also in flux, with new players entering the market while more established ones mature, said Stan Anderson, managing partner at TechDiscovery LLC, an Atlanta-based software development outsourcing provider, which is considering bidding jointly with Indian firms for jobs.

"There's quite a bit of competition among developing shops in cities like Hyderabad and Banglor," he said. "They're now hiring from each other in much the way it was in Silicon Valley a few years ago."

However, if Indian IT salaries are driven up too significantly, cost advantages may diminish, with U.S. companies looking to other locales for talent, Anderson said.

For example, Israeli software firms, once a low-cost alternative, are now more likely to team with U.S. companies as equal players, said Tom Glazer, president of the American-Israeli Chamber of Commerce, Southeast region.

Not all overseas outsourcing experiences offer a happy ending, and companies should ensure that projects sent offshore are clearly defined in terms of goals and technical requirements, Anderson said.

"If you can't explain it to people thousands of miles away, you're not going to have a satisfactory outcome," he said.

MAPICS evaluated potential outsourcers rigorously, checking company references with other firms who had used them and carefully evaluating each contractor's network infrastructure, MacLamroc said.

Communication

A key factor to success is ongoing management and training, as well as ongoing daily communication with the vendor, made easy by videoconferencing advances, he said.

"We have online meetings where we may be projecting the actual application screens live and walking through a design review or an actual code review," MacLamroc said.

Although security might seem like it would be a bigger concern when sending work overseas in the current climate of terrorism, MacLamroc said he felt no more worries in this area than if a project was done domestically.

"Back when there was a lot of saber-rattling between Pakistan and India, we did fairly extensive what-if planning with the vendor in case things were to spiral out of hand," he said. "But I don't think there's any significant difference with security. There are just heightened security [risks] everywhere around the world right now."

Anya Martin is a contributing writer for Atlanta Business Chronicle. Reach her at atlantatechbiz@bizjournals.com.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
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To: MonroeDNA
BTW, the favorite slogan of communists is, "Workers of the world, unite!" If that is not union, nothing is.

You are not very logical.

201 posted on 04/21/2003 7:26:13 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole; MonroeDNA
Citizens have moral duty to organize in defense of their group interests and in promoting common good.

My G-d you are not just from a communist country: you are still a commie! There you go folks: the power of indoctrination. A.Pole lives in this country, and still thinks in terms of group inerests (classes).

The distinction between interests that citizens have in common and group interests is central in this country: learn it, if it is now your country.

MonroeDNA: it does not look like A.Pole reads much. (s)he draws conclusions from personaly experience. In particulat, he is not familiar with the history of the communist party, although I am sure it was a required subject in his old country. You are correct: communists loved and infiltrated trade unions as a one of the first measure. It is only in the last decade of communism --- and only in Poland --- that there was apprehension of the trade unions because the unions took a separate path and became increasingly dangerous. Nothing like --- not a squeek --- was there from the unions in Russia, Ukraine, any other country. In sum: the bifurcation bwetween the two is only a Polish phenomenon, and only in the last decade before the fall. You are correct in your assessment.

202 posted on 04/21/2003 7:34:52 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: YankeeReb
"Look for this trend to spread to the financial industry."

It already has. Ernst and Young is sending approximately 100,000 of the IRS tax returns they analyze for the IRS over to India this year after a test program last year. Check this out:

US tax returns to India causing stir
203 posted on 04/21/2003 7:38:56 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: kissthis
" Second, what would YOU do to "stop" this? "

I'd like to take a shot at this. De-regulate further (something we'll never live to see). Make all payroll expenses below the board level a 100% tax deductible expense. No payroll tax, no income tax liability and restricted to American citizens only. Thus there would be incentives to stay in the USA and hire American employees only. Of course, that would require imagination and cunning and neither political party has anyone with the brass ones to do anything like this.
204 posted on 04/21/2003 7:42:25 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: 1stFreedom
" That $300, if I even have it, may just go to the democrats."

A contribution to the democrats is like throwing money to the socialists or CPUSA. Put in under your matress or give it to me before doing that.
205 posted on 04/21/2003 7:45:12 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: sharktrager
The problem here is that American managers tend to be much too focused on the immediate future, usually the next quarter. The same is tru of elected officials, who do not look beyond the next time they come up for reelection.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Ultimately the companies which succeed will do so because of innovation and eficiency. Keeping our system closed would ultimately eliminate the need to have either.

First of all, OUR SYSTEM is the most OPEN SYSTEM in the world so it's not a matter of "keeping our system closed. You better talk to the rest of the world about that because they apparently do not share our values concerning open trade.

The trade issue, like most issues, does not lend itself well to either of the extremes-- the extremes being unfettered Pure Free Trade (which we don't have btw) or Total Protectionism. Unfortunately, many Advocates of our so-called free trade policies often instantly tag anyone that utters criticisms about it as "protectionists". The implication, of course, being that such people do not believe in world trade, which I assure you is NOT the case. Such is Art of Political Warfare I guess. You know, the old technique of re-defining your opponent into the realm of "fringe" and therefore irrelevant to the debate.

Speaking for myself, the optimal position on trade is somewhere in the middle of the extremes but closer to the free trade position. But it's a mistake to embrace free trade theory like it is a some kind of religion, which has no dark side. It does. And this should be quite apparent to most by now.

206 posted on 04/21/2003 7:51:08 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: 1stFreedom
"Capitalism is a good, but not perfect, economic system. No economic system is perfect."

I disagree. Capitalism is the perfect system, when it is allowed to function. Sadly we live in a nation with hybrid capitalism where we use the federal government in an attempt to manipulate industry and commerce using the tax code and other regulations. This has created (thank you FDR) a socialist-captialist system which has grown since 1932 and made us more like the Eurocommies we criticize here every day.

Thus I take exception. Our current semi-capitalist system in America is not perfect. If left alone with limited intervention, it would function quite well, thank you.
207 posted on 04/21/2003 7:56:37 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: TopQuark
Wow, you know your stuff!

Yes, Poland was an anomalie. And we welcomed the capitalism they now enjoy.
Communists depend on class envy, and they start with unions.

Their tactics have not changed.


208 posted on 04/21/2003 7:56:55 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Communists & Socialists: They only survive through lies.)
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To: A. Pole
"BTW, the favorite slogan of communists is, "Workers of the world, unite!" If that is not union, nothing is."

"That is not very logical."

Why? Not the same slogan?

209 posted on 04/21/2003 8:02:42 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Communists & Socialists: They only survive through lies.)
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To: Beck_isright
You are right.
210 posted on 04/21/2003 8:05:02 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Unions and Marxists say, " Workers of the world unite!")
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To: MonroeDNA
All my posts, or just the last one, LOL? I'd like to think that since I'm semi-retired and work as I please, I can be right more often now than before, and when wrong charge the clients $120 per hour.
211 posted on 04/21/2003 8:08:09 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: MonroeDNA
You forgot your last name, nanny. That would be, "state."

Cute - not original, though.

Refute the statement, or try to - silly remarks are really - well - silly.

Did I say anything about the government? I did not. All I said was everyone claims they just love all these cheap prices, but so far there are no cheap prices - even at the check out stand.

Well, now there is all that cheap plastic Chinese geegaws, if that is your taste - but I was assuming most people's taste ran to better things.

So come on - more silly remarks or some facts here. Tell me why labor has been reduced from $15 to $1 an hour and the prices stay the same. No one likes to be taken - but you can't deny it - Come on now.

212 posted on 04/21/2003 8:37:36 PM PDT by nanny
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To: 1stFreedom
Corporations, for the most part, pay very little taxes.

I have one, I know.

I truly do not know - but could you expound on that? I mean we have heard the reasons corporations are going overseas is because they are being taxed to death. I have never argued differently because I truly don't know.

213 posted on 04/21/2003 8:42:04 PM PDT by nanny
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To: nanny
Sigh. One more time for everyone on this thread:

Corporations do not pay taxes.

The taxes and fees are calculated into the cost of whatever goods or services are being provided. This is preventing the price benefits of efficiencies in American made goods from getting to the market because the morons we keep sending to DC add more taxes, fees (yes, those are taxes) and regulations which keep the price of those goods from declining in real dollars.
214 posted on 04/21/2003 8:47:07 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: Beck_isright
Corporations do not pay taxes.

You are absolutely right! By taxing corporations/businesses, government hides the TRUE level of taxation it exacts on us. The business sector merely takes the tax that the feds and states levy on it including those insidious regulatory "mandates" and passes it on to the consumers in the form of higher prices. I am always amazed how the republicans roll over on this one, especially when the democrats talk about taxing those greedy corporations. Seems that no one in Washington wants to set the record straight about the sham of taxing business. I guess if more people knew they might rightfully ask for more tax cuts.

215 posted on 04/21/2003 9:11:01 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: WRhine
It will never happen. The First Eternal Rule of Truth, that corporations never pay taxes, will be ignored by 95% of the masses forever. That 5% that figure this out will always be the wealthiest. If people looked at the hidden taxes (regulations and "fees") that businesses pay to run their operations in addition to all of the other taxes, they might figure out that their real tax rate is closer to the 60-65%, much like the Eurocommies we make fun of all the time.

If you really want to prove your point, ask anyone what the real price of a gallon of regular unleaded costs.
216 posted on 04/21/2003 9:15:23 PM PDT by Beck_isright ("We created underarm deodorant, and the French turned that down too."-Mitch Daniels, Budget Director)
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To: sharktrager
We are simply paying for the mistakes of the past.

No we are redistributing our wealth to unequal societies with lower standards and cheap labor. As long as our standards our unequal we will not be able to compete. Either ours will go down or we will PAY for theirs to come up. But why should a country that uses slave labor for instance bring their standards up to our level?

217 posted on 04/21/2003 9:19:46 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Beck_isright
If people looked at the hidden taxes (regulations and "fees") that businesses pay to run their operations in addition to all of the other taxes, they might figure out that their real tax rate is closer to the 60-65%, much like the Eurocommies we make fun of all the time.

Yep. I've tired explaining this to a lot of people over the years and most folks simply do not understand or care what their Combined TOTAL RATE of taxation is (fed, state, local--direct, indirect). It is in the 60-65% range for most employed people...even more in some cases. And the tax I hate the most is property taxes. A tax one pays to the state for the right to "technically" own property. In the truest sense, we just rent property from the state.

218 posted on 04/21/2003 9:47:07 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: 1stFreedom
No doubt.

If there were no corporate income tax, how would you change the way you manage your company's affairs?

My guess is you would find more productive uses for your profits, rather than devoting time, effort and financial resources to minimizing your tax bill.

Just a SWAG, of course.
219 posted on 04/22/2003 3:16:26 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: Beck_isright
Capitalism is the perfect system, when it is allowed to function.

I am sorry, only God is perfect. You fell into the trap of free market fundamentalist cult.

220 posted on 04/22/2003 4:24:51 AM PDT by A. Pole
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