Agitprop in action? [Was: Best treatment of SARS available- Photo-oxidation]

Raymond Kwong SARS update | 4/21/03 | Watchman123

[Watchman123]

AM's Note:

Sometimes, things are not as they appear. You can click the history link above to see what this post was, but I highly recommend looking at this thread to see some very interesting things about this thread and the SARS fearmongering.

[Watchman123]

i don't get your question. The Laetril or vitamin B17 is found in the pit & some almonds too. That's why certain kind of almonds has some anti-cancer property. It's like a natural cyanide. Dr. Richardson, M.D. ( forgot his first name), used to practice in Albany, Ca. and in his book, he documented 90 cases of cancer patients who had remarkable remissions/results from taking Laetril. because his unorthodox usage of food substance instead of drugs, they hounded him out of america. I don't even know where is he now.

[Watchman123]

Dr. Morales' clinic is only minutes walk from America's border. He has the most advanced equipments of its kind. They have a great vaccine which really treats Diabetes till it is Gone in weeks or a few months. It works wonders, I was told this morning. A major newspaper will publish my article on SARS treatment.

[Dec31,1999]

While I remain skeptical, I don't dismiss your claims. BTW, why can't doctors try some of these treatments here in the states?

[rolling_stone]

I think most of Dr. Morales cures end when the patient runs out of money, be it weeks or months...watch his videotape...believe it or not...oh his hospital is about a $10 cab ride from the legal Port of Entry only way it is a few minutes walk from the border is if you walk south from (or north through) the border fence through one of the many holes in it....ask one of the two-legged coyotes for directions...

[rolling_stone]

Morales should be Contreras....

[Nataku X]

Laetrile's effectiveness--please read thoroughly, particularly the part where they gave "metabolic therapy" to mice.

Oxygeniation Therapies (ozone therapy is at the bottom) Your statement that it is an approved medical procedure in Germany is flat-out untrue. It's not approved, and it's simply one of the more popular alternative therapies.

The path you are heading down.

[Watchman123]

Good question. Many Doctors do use Phototherapy in many states here. It's legal, but it is poopooed by Conventional doctors. However, neither CDC nor any hospitals will give a patient to alternative doctors to treat. It hurts their ego too much if indeed they succeeded where they failed. Also, the typical machines used by these alternative doctors are not strong enough to cure SARS. Morales/Barnett photo machine is much more powerful with 90 watts or higher..

[Watchman123]

Do you know how much these courageous doctors have sacrificed to work down in Mexico freely? Do you know how much of their own $ these guys spent to invent 7 build these machines. They tried to get funding, but few ever came. If only they had more financial support, which i am trying to help them get. Think, if with a dinky clinic, they can do so much already. What could they do with more resources!

[dighton]

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[LocalYokel]

I decided to test this whole Photo-oxidation theory for myself. I just happened to have a photo-copier in my home office so I dropped my drawers and...

Note for the American Medical Establishment Is A Vast Conspiracy To Deny Proper HealthCare And Make Big Bucks theorists: A friend of mine was also into this whole whacko belief system. Had a bad car accident and got 3^rd degree burns on her foot. Decided to treat it herself (over BIG objections from the MD’s) with Noni Juice (her current FadOfTheMoment). All her Noni-Friends kept telling her it was looking better. She thought it was feeling better. She’s now looking at amputation of parts of her foot.

Relying on the "they reported they felt better after their treatment" kinds of self reporting is a recipe for disaster. You’ll just have to trust me on this one but: nearly any health care professional, including the EvilAMA would rejoice at discovering any new treatments that had any chance of helping someone. The problem is that they want to see actual proof that the treatment does something good. It doesn’t matter if it’s burying a strangled toad under the light of a full moon kind of craziness, all you have to do is demonstrate in a controlled study that it’ll help and lots of Docs will be happy to use it.

[handk]

Spare me the theatrics. As soon as a credible peer-reviewed medical journal publishes positive results from studies of ozone therapy, I'll believe it.

You're quite the little lock-stepping zombie, aren't you?

In a sing-songy voice... As soon as the proper authorities, who are duly authorized, and fully embedded in the establishment, let me know that something is OK, then I will believe it. I have no mind of my own, or any cognitive or analytical abilities. I leave that to the authorities, who do my thinking for me.

Fred Flintstone's pet, Dino, had more native intelligence than you, DinoDino.

[dinodino]

Evidently you didn't read through the end of the thread to see where Watchman and I continued our discussion...moron.

[dinodino]

Oh, and since you seem to hold peer review and the scientific method in disdain, why don't you go ahead and empty your medicine cabinet? Toss out all those nasty meds (except for the lithium, I recommend you keep that one) made by the big establishment pharm companies and subjected to all those "establishment" clinical trials, and replace them with twigs, phlogiston concentrators, peach pits, and all the other HIGHLY EFFECTIVE therapies that the ESTABLISHMENT refuse to acknowledge. Twit.

[dinodino]

*quack*

[Dec31,1999]

It's very clear that the "Medical establishment" has us by the balls, which is why they can up their fees by double digit percentages every year. They and the lawyers are ruining us.

I personally think that all medical licenses should be abolished. All state accreditation should be ended, but instead let a consumer guide direct people to the more successful hospitals and health care facilities.

I would rather pay more to go to a highly acclaimed health care facility than to a state-licenced facility with a bad reputation.

Whenever I go to a doctor, I find that they don't know as much as I do about various matters, which is pretty scarey.

[Dec31,1999]

ping! Cholera Joe, please come to the courtesy phone!

[Old Professer]

Medicine is the only profession that labors to destroy the reason for its existence.

Paraphrase of a Cryptoquote.

[Calvin Locke]

I don't know. Bell used to have a guy on promoting similar stuff. (Actually, a lot of guys & gals promoting dubious stuff.)

But the one I remember is a low current machine that you can build yourself, due to FDA problems, that would kill x, y, and z infectious diseases.

My father used to subscribe to some health magazine and get these fliers promoting UV-based water filter machines. Not
cheap, as I recall. Something like $1400, plus the replacement UV lamps...

[Watchman123]

Actually, I have a Hi tech, water filter at home that uses a special UV light & it has been shown in independent lab that it kills 99% of all pathogens. Most water filters including reverse osmosis does not kill germs . Mine cost only about $320. I know the inventer & so have confidence. I also have a special Ozone (O30 machine which has been shown to kill HIV virus. I drink Ozone water & it is very health-giving. So you know there are Olympic size swimming pool in some cities that do not need chlorine. Ozone does not sting eyes. In some Marine world type park, the water is purified with Ozone. The Quinoxide that Dr. Morales use is way more powerful than even Ozone, I was told yesterday. Most people just don't understand fully about Ozone.

[Watchman123]

i agree with you that there are quacks & pseudo-science among alternative medicine. I have decried against much of these so called cures. I have told people Noni Juice has very little evidence. Hardly any study behind it. It's mostly testimonials. Many stuffs in Health food store, I would not waste money on.

As to evidence that it works, if I may refer to an earlier post by me on Chemotherapy. It's one of the most flawed treatment with little evidence it works on most cancers, yet why does the science-conscious medical establishment still tout it. Chemo probably kill more people than cancers, some doctors will tell you. They did a survey on the cancer doctors & most of them admit they would not use Chemo IF they had cancers! What does that tell you about their ethics & their "proof.

Do "Approved" Cancer Treatments Work? A depressing picture of "approved" treatments against cancer (surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy) is revealed in an evaluation made by the AMerican Cancer Society. In their annual publication of Cancer Facts and Figures for 1996, they show virtually no improvement among the most frequently appearing tumors in the last 60 years, with the exception of cancer of the stomach and cervix. In 1969, Dr. Hardin Jones of the U.C. Berkeley reported that patients not subjected to the aggressive conventional therapies had a longer life expectancy, occasionally up to four times as long. In 1986, Dr. Bailar III and Ealine Smith reported that patients with lung cancer who were not treated have a longer life expectancy and enjoy a better quality of life than those who receive treatment. In 1988, Dr. Abel reported that . . . patients suffering from pancreatic cancer . . . who received the placebo treatment instead of the real treatment lived longer and better. (That's your double blind study!)Where is the proof? Why are are doctors still pushing them? Please explain. Nuff said