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Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert
The NY Times ^ | 042103 | JUDITH MILLER

Posted on 04/20/2003 7:24:03 PM PDT by Archangelsk

Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert
By JUDITH MILLER

[W] ITH THE 101ST AIRBORNE DIVISION, south of Baghdad, Iraq, April 20 ? A scientist who claims to have worked in Iraq's chemical weapons program for more than a decade has told an American military team that Iraq destroyed chemical weapons and biological warfare equipment only days before the war began, members of the team said.

They said the scientist led Americans to a supply of material that proved to be the building blocks of illegal weapons, which he claimed to have buried as evidence of Iraq's illicit weapons programs.

The scientist also told American weapons experts that Iraq had secretly sent unconventional weapons and technology to Syria, starting in the mid-1990's, and that more recently Iraq was cooperating with Al Qaeda, the military officials said.

The Americans said the scientist told them that President Saddam Hussein's government had destroyed some stockpiles of deadly agents as early as the mid-1990's, transferred others to Syria, and had recently focused its efforts instead on research and development projects that are virtually impervious to detection by international inspectors, and even American forces on the ground combing through Iraq's giant weapons plants.

An American military team hunting for unconventional weapons in Iraq, the Mobile Exploitation Team Alpha, or MET Alpha, which found the scientist, declined to identify him, saying they feared he might be subject to reprisals. But they said that they considered him credible and that the material unearthed over the last three days at sites to which he led them had proved to be precursors for a toxic agent that is banned by chemical weapons treaties.

The officials' account of the scientist's assertions and the discovery of the buried material, which they described as the most important discovery to date in the hunt for illegal weapons, supports the Bush administration's charges that Iraq continued to develop those weapons and lied to the United Nations about it. Finding and destroying illegal weapons was a major justification for the war.

The officials' accounts also provided an explanation for why United States forces had not yet turned up banned weapons in Iraq. The failure to find such weapons has become a political issue in Washington.

Under the terms of her accreditation to report on the activities of MET Alpha, this reporter was not permitted to interview the scientist or visit his home. Nor was she permitted to write about the discovery of the scientist for three days, and the copy was then submitted for a check by military officials.

Those officials asked that details of what chemicals were uncovered be deleted. They said they feared that such information could jeopardize the scientist's safety by identifying the part of the weapons program where he worked.

The MET Alpha team said it reported its findings to Washington after testing the buried material and checking the scientist's identity with experts in the United States. A report was sent to the White House on Friday, experts said.

Military spokesmen at the Pentagon and at Central Command headquarters in Doha, Qatar, said they could not confirm that an Iraqi chemical weapons scientist was providing American forces with new information.

The scientist was found by a team headed by Chief Warrant Officer Richard L. Gonzales, the leader of MET Alpha, one of several teams charged with hunting for unconventional weapons throughout Iraq. Departing from his team's assigned mission, Mr. Gonzales and his team of specialists from the Defense Intelligence Agency tracked down the scientist on Thursday through a series of interviews and increasingly frantic site visits.

While this reporter could not interview the scientist, she was permitted to see him from a distance at the sites where he said that material from the arms program was buried.

Clad in nondescript clothes and a baseball cap, he pointed to several spots in the sand where he said chemical precursors and other weapons material were buried. This reporter also accompanied MET Alpha on the search for him and was permitted to examine a letter written in Arabic that he slipped to American soldiers offering them information about the program and seeking their protection.

Military officials said the scientist told them that four days before President Bush gave Mr. Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq or face war, Iraqi officials set fire to a warehouse where biological weapons research and development was conducted.

The officials quoted him as saying he had watched several months before the outbreak of the war as Iraqis buried chemical precursors and other sensitive material to conceal and preserve them for future use. The officials said the scientist showed them documents, samples, and other evidence of the program that he claimed to have stolen to prove that the program existed.

MET Alpha is one of several teams created earlier this year to hunt for unconventional weapons in Iraq. Supported by the 75th Exploitation Task Force, a field artillery brigade based in Fort Sill, Okla., the teams were charged with visiting some 150 top sites that intelligence agencies have identified as suspect.

But the Pentagon-led teams, which include specialists from several Pentagon agencies, have been hampered by a lack of resources and by geography.

Because the task force has two expensive, highly sophisticated, transportable labs in which chemical and germ samples can be analyzed quickly, it was kept at a safe distance from fighting at a desert camp in Kuwait, just across the Iraqi border.

Unable to move their task force closer to Baghdad, where most of the suspect sites and scientists who worked in them are situated, the mobile exploitation teams have had to rely on scarce helicopters to travel to suspect sites in the Baghdad area. Until recently, these were reserved mainly for soldiers going to battle. As a result, most of the teams had done almost no weapons hunting until the fighting had largely concluded.

Two weeks ago, MET Alpha was finally given a mission of inspecting barrels filled with chemicals that were buried on the outskirts of Al Muhawish, a small town south of Baghdad. A small team with little equipment and virtually no supplies traveled to the town for what was supposed to be a half-day survey. The barrels turned out to contain no chemical weapons agents.

But during the survey of that site, Maj. Brian Lynch, the chemical officer of the 101st Airborne Division, told MET Alpha members about a report of suspect containers buried in the area that fit the description of mobile labs.

Other officers mentioned that a man who said he was an Iraqi scientist had given troops a note about Iraq's chemical warfare program. No one had yet followed up the report, they said, because of the fighting and also because similar tips had failed to produce evidence of unconventional weapons.

The team, with vehicles and supplies from the 101st Airborne Division, went out on its own to survey other sites and pursue the tip about the buried containers and the scientist. After completing a lengthy survey of one installation, Mr. Gonzales and other team members from the Defense Intelligence Agency's Chemical Biological Intelligence Support Team decided to try to find the scientist.

Mr. Gonzales tracked down the scientist's note, which had never been formally analyzed and was still in a brigade headquarters, along with the scientist's address, military officials said.

The next morning, MET Alpha weapons experts found the scientist at home, along with some documents from the program and samples he had buried in his backyard and at other sites.

The scientist has told MET Alpha members that because Iraq's unconventional weapons programs were highly compartmented, he only had firsthand information about the chemical weapons sector in which he worked, team members said.

But he has given the Americans information about other unconventional weapons activities, they said, as well as information about Iraqi weapons cooperation with Syria, and with terrorist groups, including Al Qaeda. It was not clear how the scientist knew of such a connection.

The potential of MET Alpha's work is "enormous," said Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the 101st Airborne Division.

"What they've discovered," he added, "could prove to be of incalculable value. Though much work must still be done to validate the information MET Alpha has uncovered, if it proves out it will clearly be one of the major discoveries of this operation, and it may be the major discovery."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afterbash; biological; biowarfare; bushdoctrineunfold; chemical; embeddedreport; illegalweapons; iraq; iraqifreedom; metalpha; order; postiraqwar; syria; war; warlist; weapons; wmd
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To: bigwheel
Do you get your material from Comical Ali (aka Bagdad Bob)?
41 posted on 04/20/2003 9:14:44 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: Archangelsk
bump
42 posted on 04/20/2003 9:21:07 PM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Nick Danger
The scientist also told American weapons experts that Iraq had secretly sent unconventional weapons and technology to Syria, starting in the mid-1990's, and that more recently Iraq was cooperating with Al Qaeda

On the other hand, this could explain why the Iraqi's were unwilling to provide the U.N. inspectors with reports demonstrating that they had destroyed the WMD's they were known to have possessed. Anything that wend to Syria could not have been accounted!

43 posted on 04/20/2003 9:33:26 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Archangelsk
The officials' account of the scientist's assertions and the discovery of the buried material, which they described as the most important discovery to date in the hunt for illegal weapons, supports the Bush administration's charges that Iraq continued to develop those weapons and lied to the United Nations about it. Finding and destroying illegal weapons was a major justification for the war.

Hot damn! ... Now let's see the leftists eat their words again.

44 posted on 04/20/2003 9:40:23 PM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: Archangelsk
>>>A scientist who claims to have worked in Iraq's chemical weapons program for more than a decade...<<<

Lets put this guy in the Iraqi-scientist-witness- protection-program!

Just saw peice on MSNBC where the looters had broken open cases and cases (looked like maybe 500 or more) of AK47's and made off with them. An Iraqi hanging around the warehouse said he, "hoped they would be used to wage Jihad".

You know against who.....our guys and anyone cooperating with us - like this scientist.

So far we have beat the snot out of the Saddam's forces, the Baath party irregulars, and the Radical Muslim Islamists..

Now its time to break their backs!

45 posted on 04/20/2003 9:45:50 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: bigwheel
"Could we have made a horrible mistake? I pray not. WE MUST FIND THE WEAPOONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION or history will make us a laughing stock."

oh really. I mean after finding not just salman pak terrorist training site, after blowing away al-ansar brigades and finding the PLF terrroist training camp, and nexts of 'fedayeen, and torture cells, and freeing children from prison, and freeing the whole nation from a psychopath and finding out that oil-for-palaces program was a UN sponsored farce ... after all that, and the Iraqis almost with one voice saying good riddance to Saddam - we will look fooolish because behind the tons and tons and tons of munitions we are destroying, behind the nuclear sites, and the military installations, we cant find the 'smoking gun' of active WMDs???


"the weapons that were the only reason for this war. "
No, this was reason #3 on a list of 5 reasons.
we were correct on 4 out of 5. This article is surer indication we were correct on the fifth one too.


46 posted on 04/20/2003 9:46:55 PM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: the_Watchman
"On the other hand, this could explain why the Iraqi's were unwilling to provide the U.N. inspectors with reports demonstrating that they had destroyed the WMD's they were known to have possessed. Anything that wend to Syria could not have been accounted!"

Right! Give that man a cigar!
47 posted on 04/20/2003 9:49:36 PM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: John H K
right, chemical weapons are great against innocent villagers of poor conscripts stuck in trenchs, not so great against a fast-moving mobile army with sealed venting systems on their armor that make them immune from WMD attacks and well-equipped and well-trained troops with MOPP suits galore.

They would have just ended up killing civilians if they pulled that stunt. That would have been the main reason it would have slowed us down - we'd have stopped to assist others affected by it.

48 posted on 04/20/2003 9:53:10 PM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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To: PianoMan
>>>The left-wing opposition has staked everything on our not finding WMD.<<<

For what its worth, I think Bush Rummy & Co. are keeping quiet about WMD discoveries. My hope is that they are saving up the revelations for one big news conference that will blow the lefties and war critics (one in the same aren't they) clean out of the water.

He's out smarted the opposition at alomost every turn....it would be out of character for GWB to not try to do the same on this very very hot topic that the left has staked so much of their reputation and credibility on!

49 posted on 04/20/2003 9:53:15 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: Badabing Badaboom
This is fantastic news and if totally accurate must be fully exploited.

Yes, and it's a stunningly pro-Bush/pro-American piece to have come from the NYT. Wonderful.

MM

50 posted on 04/20/2003 9:54:37 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: bigwheel
WE MUST FIND THE WEAPOONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION or history will make us a laughing stock.

*Yawn*

You've been DUped, newbie.

51 posted on 04/20/2003 9:55:39 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Parley Baer
You are completely right. The most important reasons for the BASH were the humanitarian reasons and the terrorist connections. The Chem/Bio/Nuke reasoning was secondary and connected to those, and discovery of these is icing on the cake. We already have done a tremendous good deed, so long as we work our darndest to ensure the Iraqis form a less brutal government.
52 posted on 04/20/2003 10:02:43 PM PDT by AFPhys (((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
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To: Archangelsk
Son of a diddly

Say what?
:-)

53 posted on 04/20/2003 10:08:15 PM PDT by Diddley (Dead, wounded, hidden, or escaped, Saddam is “As good as dead!”)
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To: WOSG
>>>"the weapons that were the only reason for this war. "

No, this was reason #3 on a list of 5 reasons. we were correct on 4 out of 5. This article is surer indication we were correct on the fifth one too. "

Excellent post.

54 posted on 04/20/2003 10:08:49 PM PDT by AFPhys (((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
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To: bigwheel
We are facing a catastrophy if we do not find the weapons that were the only reason for this war. Do you realize the carnage and destruction that is only justified if we find that the UN inspectors were wrong?...

Well, it's clear by your statements that you know nothing about:

(a) chemical or any other WMD;

(b) the actual process of FINDING them in the first place, given that they had years to hide them in an entire COUNTRY;

(c) the fact that we can't hunt for WMD while we're in the middle of a WAR (Hint: the WMD are not out in plain sight marked with big red arrows);

(d) the oppression the Iraqis lived under, with threat of DEATH for talking to us - such that it will take TIME for knowledgable people to feel safe enough to come forward with information;

(e) the fact that many of the WMD have been hidden, buried, compartmentalized, by a regime that has had years of practice in hiding, deceiving, etc.;

(f) the physical processes of sampling, testing, and documenting the existence of WMD once they are found;

(g) the politics of making sure our case is irrefutable once we present it, in its entirety, not peacemeal;

(h) the amount of TIME these things take (Hint: it takes OVER A YEAR to investigate and document a single Superfund Cleanup Site).

.

The question is, do you WANT to know enough to have an opinion on this subject? Or do you want to remain ignorant, like the media wants you to be? Do you want to operate from FACTS, or from "Henny Penny The Sky is Falling" ignorant anxiety?

If you want FACTS, then stop believing everything the ignorant media tells you. It will take a minimum of 6 months before we have decent PRELIMINARY results from our INITIAL findings. It will take more like 2-3 YEARS before we see a decent report on the WMD in Iraq.

But do not worry, we WILL find them, because they ARE there. It just takes TIME to scour an entire country when you are looking for things that no one wants you to find.

55 posted on 04/20/2003 10:14:57 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: bigwheel
"WE MUST FIND THE WEAPOONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION or history will make us a laughing stock."

Is that something like HARPOONS of Mass Destruction? ;)

At any rate, the greatest WMD in the area was dis-assembled and evaporated through 'destructive analysis,' although I think we are still searching for some trace DNA. Too bad this wasn't dealt with in the early '90's. It would have saved thousands of people who were killed by the perp and his regime. Better late than never, right? Laughing stock? Surely you jest. Read the history book after it hits the stands. The only laughing stock you'll find in it will be the 'Ballad of Baghdad Bob.'

56 posted on 04/20/2003 10:18:32 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Badabing Badaboom
Action against Syria can't wait.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure that's why Cheney started hacking on Syria so soon after we took Baghdad. He was preparing the world for further action in the region.

57 posted on 04/20/2003 10:21:40 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: bigwheel
Pay attention in class next time.
58 posted on 04/20/2003 10:23:40 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Badabing Badaboom; Allan; The Great Satan
Now that Saddam is "dead" he can safley resume false-flag attacks.

Whether Saddam is at large, or under protective custody/exile somewhere, or dead, it's still true that there is probably somebody who now has physical possession and control of the anthrax, and there is probably also somebody who knows how the weaponization process works.

If these individuals are still alive and at large, they can make all kinds of mischief. What would stop them?

59 posted on 04/20/2003 10:27:30 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: All
And someone pointed out on a different thread the other day:

Another reason for us to keep quiet about finding WMD is that we don't want all the terrorists in the world going over there on a scavenger hunt. If we announce that we're finding WMD here and there, we'll have mass "looting" of the WMD by various bad guys. Better to keep it under wraps until we have as much of it secured as possible.
60 posted on 04/20/2003 10:45:17 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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