Fed's attack Texas church and burn it to the ground.....

PBS - WGBH/Frontline ^ | 1995 | PBS

[ASTM366]

As I do each year, I post information to commemorate the attack by FBI agents in military vehicles on the Branch Davidians compound near Waco, Texas on April 19, 1993.

The Branch Davidians, a reclusive group of Christian believers, had been attacked 51 days earlier by over 100 heavily armed BATF agents, surrounded and subjected to psychological warfare techniques by government agents. On April 19th the feds sent in military vehicles to fill the building at the Branch Davidian compound with chemical agents to flush out the remaining occupants. What resulted was a fire that burned to death nearly all the occupants; INNOCENT men, women, children and infants. Some committed suicide by self inflicted gunshot.

To this day the federal government has never accepted responsibility for the events of 1993, nor have they apologized for their ugly and glaring display of unchecked power.

In a tragic and spectacular act of revenge, Timothy McVeigh and his associates carbombed the offices of the BATF and FBI in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.

[supercat]

Some damning bits of evidence I seldom see mentioned are the autopsy reports of people found in the cement room which claim the people were killed by falling debris--from a ceiling which didn't collapse. This, combined with what looks like a shape-charge hole right next to the brimary support beam, suggests that somebody knew that ceiling was supposed to collapse. Were it not for those autopsies, the hole might have some other explanations, but what reason would there be for the autopsies to list such a false result if it were not fore-ordained?

[Uncle Bill]

GOVERNMENT TERRORISM - From Ruby Ridge To Waco And Beyond

Waco Fire Report

GOP - Waco No Big Deal - Fox News

GOP WARY OF WACO INVESTIGATION - Fox News

Waco: FLIR Investigator Found Dead

• Downside Legacy: WACO - Carlos Ghigliotti Death

• Carlos Ghigliotti

• Carlos Ghigliotti Death Ruled A Result of "Natural Causes"

Danforth: FBI acted properly at Waco

Danforth Privately Praised Reno on Waco

The Flir Project: Revealing Danforth’s Deceit

CATO Blasts Danforth Waco Report - "If the crimes chronicled in his study go unpunished, Lynch concludes, "the Waco incident will leave an odious precedent-that federal agents can use the "color of their office" to commit crimes against citizens."

"I think it's good that Senator Danforth has been asked to conduct an independent investigation,"
George W. Bush - Source

[OutSpot]

The WACO white wash has successfully done it's job on various folks.

Funny how none of the names listed above were even remotely involved in the WACO reasearch at FR.

Become informed before you shoot off your mouth!!

NEVER FORGET WACO!

[ContentiousObjector]

that is bullshit and you know it.

Stop turning a cop killer into a hero, when you shoot at the ATF with assult rifles bad shit happens, it is the most rudimentry cause and effect relationship.

The ATF was dealing with a dangerous apocalypic cult that had more than a million rounds of ammo, do you think they were going to go knock on the front door?

The fire was not set by one guy, it started in four differant parts of the complex and the bugs planted inside prove that Koresh ordered them to start the fires.

[Clara Lou]

Funny how none of the names listed above were even remotely involved in the WACO reasearch at FR.
Well, some people have day jobs and a family at home afterwards. If anybody is shooting his mouth off, it's you, nutso.

[supercat]

that is bullshit and you know it.

Which part? Identify by number:

1. The BATF had a knock-and-announce warrant only; it did not authorize dynamic entry.
2. The BATF planned to use concussion grenades, and to shoot dogs, preemptively.
3. Concussion grenades can cause lethal or maiming injuries if they go off near someone, and they were thrown without regard for whether they might do so.
4. BATF agents outside the building fired at the building with recless disregard for what they might hit, for they had no way of seeing who was where inside the building.
5. BATF agents inside the building fired at walls they could not see through, on the basis that one or more shots had come through those walls.
6. BATF agents were armed with ammunition which could easily penetrate several walls while retaining lethal velocity.
7. Agents were not in radio contact with each other, or with leadership, and thus had no way of knowing where other agents might be when they fired through walls.

Seven specific claims about the initial raid, all from "official" sources. Which claim(s) do you dispute?

BTW, I never called Koresh a hero. He, and the others in his home, were victims. Liberals like to attach heroic stature to victimhood, and perhaps they expect others to do likewise. I for one merely see Koresh et al. as victims of a couple of maniacal government agencies.

[asneditor]

""Unchecked power has its consequences""

You got that right buddy!

Take a gander through these files and see what the lovely feds did to women and children
http://www.allsouthwest.com/library/waco/

This is pictures a few years later after we got together and built the Davidians a new chapel in 2000
http://www.allsouthwest.com/library/wacophoto/

REMEMBER THE ALAMO ... REMEMBER WACO

[ContentiousObjector]

White wash?

Fact: The cult had assembled a massive arsenal of weapons many of which were illegal,

Fact: When the ATF showed up the cult members opened fire on them murdering ATF agents in cold blood

Fact: Murdering federal law enforcement is a federal offence

Fact: The cop killers started the fire and shot and stabed some of the children

Stop looking for federal conspiracies and people to blame, David Koresh was a felon, a cop killer and an arsonist and now he is in hell.

[Iscool]

And, as was widely reported, Koresch left the "compound" to go into town on a regular basis where he easily could have been arrested...The FBI was told this well in advance of the massacre...

[ContentiousObjector]

when the cult members opened fire on the ATF whatever happened to be on their warrent became irrelivent, they were under attack by heavily armed criminals and had to react accordingly,

getting shot in the back while fleeing wasn't an appealing choice

[supercat]

The fire was not set by one guy, it started in four differant parts of the complex and the bugs planted inside prove that Koresh ordered them to start the fires.

Assuming you live in a house, rather than an apartment, do me a favor. Buy a couple packages of bug bombs, set them all up in an enclosed closet, and light them all. Then close the door and leave.

The Ferret rounds used by the government work on the same principle as bug bombs; they give off gasses and particulates which are flammable, but which normally will not reach conflagatory concentrations. Set off enough of them in a confined space, however, and KABOOM!

BTW, if you live in an apartment please don't do the above experiment. I have nothing against your neighbors and wouldn't want to burn them out of house and home.

[supercat]

when the cult members opened fire on the ATF whatever happened to be on their warrent became irrelivent, they were under attack by heavily armed criminals and had to react accordingly,

Per BATF testimony, they planned to conduct their no-knock concussion-grenade-led raid whether or not they met any resistance whatsoever. I have seen no evidence whatsoever that any Davidian fired a single shot or even picked up a weapon prior to the initiation of the BATF's attack.

[the_daug]

What the BATF did was a show for television news. The way the BATF handled it they could have murdered themselves. If the Davidians did kill one or two it very well was self defence.

[The Duke]

Since that day ten years ago I have occasionally found myself wishing that Janet Reno would come to know the same end as those innocent children.

[ContentiousObjector]

that is absolutly false, the FBI had a security perimeter around the compound, not even the local rabit population could get out undetected let alone a lanky murderer

[ContentiousObjector]

The cop killers are on TAPE talking about starting the fire, no ifs ands or buts

[Chancellor Palpatine]

That would be because I'm normal and have a life, as opposed to being a delusional paranoid.

Generally speaking, it is a pretty good sign that you are in a cult if you are fully prepared to have your preacher tell you to lock and load, there are firearms caches around the compound that serves as your "church", and you get into a standoff for a full 51 days after you shoot a federal officer.

[CyberAnt]

Excuse me ... this was not a "church", this was a cult. BIG difference.

[ContentiousObjector]

self defense?

shooting police officers isn't self defense in texas, it is capital murder

[Cicero]

There's not much doubt that the fire was caused by inflammable propellant that was used in the chemical agent pumped into the building. The chemical itself was stronger than tear gas normally used for riot control, and was not supposed to be used in enclosed spaces.

There was a hole burst inward in the reinforced concrete roof of the bunker in which the children were hiding and were incinerated, that could only have been made by a bomb or a shaped charge.

The British experts brought in after the original expert died of a suspicious heart attack were not impartial.

The weapons tests at Fort Hood are virtually meaningless, because Fort Hood supplied most of the armored vehicles and weapons that were used. And the Commander of Fort Hood at that time was a clintonoid Perfumed Prince named General Wesley Clark, coincidentally a Rhodes Scholar from Arkansas.

The man put in charge of the FBI snipers at Waco was Lon Horiuchi, the same man who shot the woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge--promoted by clinton and Reno.

The front door was said to have only bullet holds going inward. It subsequently disappeared, along with most of the other evidence.

Somehow or other the forensic freezer in which the corpses were stored for autopsy lost its power, so causes of death could not be determined with any precision.

And so forth, and so forth, in a sickening string of crimes and coverups.