[ContentiousObjector]

that is bullshit and you know it.

Stop turning a cop killer into a hero, when you shoot at the ATF with assult rifles bad shit happens, it is the most rudimentry cause and effect relationship.

The ATF was dealing with a dangerous apocalypic cult that had more than a million rounds of ammo, do you think they were going to go knock on the front door?

The fire was not set by one guy, it started in four differant parts of the complex and the bugs planted inside prove that Koresh ordered them to start the fires.

[supercat]

that is bullshit and you know it.

Which part? Identify by number:

1. The BATF had a knock-and-announce warrant only; it did not authorize dynamic entry.
2. The BATF planned to use concussion grenades, and to shoot dogs, preemptively.
3. Concussion grenades can cause lethal or maiming injuries if they go off near someone, and they were thrown without regard for whether they might do so.
4. BATF agents outside the building fired at the building with recless disregard for what they might hit, for they had no way of seeing who was where inside the building.
5. BATF agents inside the building fired at walls they could not see through, on the basis that one or more shots had come through those walls.
6. BATF agents were armed with ammunition which could easily penetrate several walls while retaining lethal velocity.
7. Agents were not in radio contact with each other, or with leadership, and thus had no way of knowing where other agents might be when they fired through walls.

Seven specific claims about the initial raid, all from "official" sources. Which claim(s) do you dispute?

BTW, I never called Koresh a hero. He, and the others in his home, were victims. Liberals like to attach heroic stature to victimhood, and perhaps they expect others to do likewise. I for one merely see Koresh et al. as victims of a couple of maniacal government agencies.

[supercat]

The fire was not set by one guy, it started in four differant parts of the complex and the bugs planted inside prove that Koresh ordered them to start the fires.

Assuming you live in a house, rather than an apartment, do me a favor. Buy a couple packages of bug bombs, set them all up in an enclosed closet, and light them all. Then close the door and leave.

The Ferret rounds used by the government work on the same principle as bug bombs; they give off gasses and particulates which are flammable, but which normally will not reach conflagatory concentrations. Set off enough of them in a confined space, however, and KABOOM!

BTW, if you live in an apartment please don't do the above experiment. I have nothing against your neighbors and wouldn't want to burn them out of house and home.

[ApesForEvolution]

Man, you Jack Booted Thug lickers are out in full force tonight. Since Koresh was such a bad guy, why wasn't he simply apprehended on one of his many trips to town or down to the gun range (where he frequently was in the midst of feds)? The story didn't wash then and to this day doesn't pass the smell test. Got keep the fed's blood thirst quenched from time to time and try to scare the rest (which BTW isn't working) that choose to retain our God-given rights at all costs. I suppose you buy the government's Ruby Ridge story too! Just another Lon Horiuchi blood sport fan I see.

[Centurion2000]

The ATF was dealing with a dangerous apocalypic cult that had more than a million rounds of ammo, do you think they were going to go knock on the front door?

Considering that the leader was known to go out and about on a regular basis, stopping him in his truck or possibly while he was jogging would have produced the same effects with a LOT LESS BLOODSHED.

[FirstTomato]

Why in the world are you defending the government in this instance? They were WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Any independent fair investigation reveals questions of credibility with the federal agents, and reveals a lack of regard for the law and an unecessary assault against the Davidians by the Feds.

This simply goes to show how quickly the government will turn against its citizens, and how quickly other citizens will come to the government's defense.

[PatrioticAmerican]

"dangerous apocalypic cult "

Up to the date of the first event, what had they done that was dangerous? Name one thing that you can positively state that made them dangerous.

If they were so dangerous, why did two BATFink agents spend a day in the compound just two weeks prior?