Posted on 04/19/2003 2:05:26 PM PDT by ASTM366
As I do each year, I post information to commemorate the attack by FBI agents in military vehicles on the Branch Davidians compound near Waco, Texas on April 19, 1993.
The Branch Davidians, a reclusive group of Christian believers, had been attacked 51 days earlier by over 100 heavily armed BATF agents, surrounded and subjected to psychological warfare techniques by government agents. On April 19th the feds sent in military vehicles to fill the building at the Branch Davidian compound with chemical agents to flush out the remaining occupants. What resulted was a fire that burned to death nearly all the occupants; INNOCENT men, women, children and infants. Some committed suicide by self inflicted gunshot.
To this day the federal government has never accepted responsibility for the events of 1993, nor have they apologized for their ugly and glaring display of unchecked power.
In a tragic and spectacular act of revenge, Timothy McVeigh and his associates carbombed the offices of the BATF and FBI in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.
NOBODY from outside the compound fired in, yet, the myth continues ...
Is this intentional ignorance or the result of a highly effective effort by McNutty and his small team of ex-CNNers?
More likely, nay, it is the cause.
Ahem - it is Vernon Wayne Howell to whom these adjectives should be assigned, for he cared not a whit about his people, his *only* motive was remaining out of jail.
He succeeded.
How is the basement treating you _jim
Dallas Morning News 10/7/99 Lee Hancock "…….High-quality copies of FBI infrared tapes released this week to Branch Davidian lawyers include repeated bursts of rhythmic flashes from both government positions and the sect's compound, and two experts hired by the sect's lawyer say the flashes must be gunfire. A third expert, retained by the House Government Reform committee, analyzed a lower-quality copy of the infrared tape, which was shot on the last day of a 1993 standoff with the sect near Waco. He also concluded that flashes visible on the tape had to be gunfire, a committee staffer confirmed Wednesday…."
Dallas Morning News 10/7/99 Lee Hancock "…….Information that the Houston lawyers presented to Mr. Danforth's team included an expert's analysis that the FBI's infrared videotapes released to the public, Congress and the courts appear to have been altered, Mr. Caddell said. If the same gaps and electronic anomalies appear in original tapes still in Justice Department custody, Mr. Caddell said, he will use that to challenge the government's fire investigation as fatally flawed………A former government recording expert hired by the Houston lawyer said he found repeated anomalies. "There's so much editing on this tape, it's ridiculous," said Steve Cain, who spent more than 20 years as an audio and video expert with the U.S. Secret Service and the Internal Revenue Service's national crime lab in Chicago. Mr. Cain said his analysis is preliminary because he has not been granted access to the original tapes. But he said his work has turned up evidence of erasures of audio, including the one-hour, 20-minute period before the compound fire……"
Dallas Morning News 10/7/99 Lee Hancock "…….Carlos Ghigliotti, an expert retained by the House panel investigating the Waco matter, was quoted by the Washington Post Wednesday that his analysis of the tapes convinced him that FBI agents shot in the direction of the Davidian compound on April 19. ….."
Dallas Morning News 10/7/99 Lee Hancock "…….The infrared tapes sent Monday to Mr. Caddell were described by Justice Department lawyers as "first-generation" copies of the original tapes shot at Waco on April 19, he said. ……. Inexplicably included in the opening minutes of that tape is an eight-minute portion date-stamped April 16. That footage appears to be a frozen infrared shot of an empty field with no images of the compound. Mr. Cain said that was one of the most egregious of what he described as dozens of unexplained anomalies. "And it appears that either insert edits or other types of over recordings were made by the same or different video camera sources," said his Sept. 30 preliminary report to Mr. Caddell. ……. Maurice Cox, a retired satellite imagery analyst and mathematician who worked for 33 years on secret government photo-reconnaissance projects said Wednesday that he shares many of Mr. Cain's concerns. He recently examined copies of the FBI infrared tapes released last month. "There are things that I don't understand. I don't know what they mean, but I know that you need to go to the master tapes and find out what in the hell is going on," said Mr. Cox, who lives in California.
What I did see, and what I needed to be reminded of, was pathetic puke apologists like you who won't ever be held accountable for the human beings that were burnt alive and the jack-boot ciminals who covered up their disgusting blunder, at the expense of the lives of innocent children.
You make me sick!
FWIW, being a cult member, or forming a cult, is still legal in this country, whether you like it or not, whether you agree with their views or not. I pray that whatever groups you are affiliated with are never deemed to be a "cult" and thereby burned alive as painty-waist apologists like yourself cheer your carnage and destruction. Unlike you, I will NEVER rationalize away the murder of innocents, regardless of what they believe.
As for your other snotty intonation..."Christ you guys are lazy"...some of us love Christ dearly. You prefer to use His name as some curse word with which you wipe you arse. You are an offense to Him and an insult to those who love Him. Its holy week- shame on you!
You have proven NONE of the claims you spout so loosely here in this thread. Your accusations are empty and your opinions are rendered as worthless.
As you seem to take particluar delight in name calling those with whom you disagree, I'm sure you won't mind that I also use name-calling against you, in the interest of fairness dontchaknow. You're an uninformed, media-brainwashed, Christ-insulting turd floating in the punchbowl of FR. Please go somewhere else and exude your effluvium to a crowd who will tolerate your drivel.
It REALLY sounds like the first time you watched that scene was on Waco: Rules of Engagement.
There is a particular slant to that video that McNutty intended, a suborning of the truth that set McVeigh off and has further poisoned the minds of dozens of FR members.
All the claims I have made have been proven over and over again, unfortunetly in this capitalist society there are people out there who know they can make lots of money by pandering to paranoid schizophrenics with all sorts of conspircy theroy merchandise.
They were violent criminals, and now they are dead criminals.
The only person responsible for the deaths of those children is David Koresh, he could have sent them out at absolutely any time. He didn't.
When you pick a fight with the government, you can't win. When you start shooting at the government, your good as dead.
It seems there are hundreds of Freepers who have have shared thier views that the McNulty videos were a fine analysis. You and two other Freepers are the only ones here who try to sow the seeds of doubt.
Sure - did you watch the ABC special the other night with *some* (10 or so) of the twenty-plus children who were released from the Waco compound?
At one point Byron Sage explained to the kids what their intent was.
THEN he proceeded to answer a number of other questions they had.
For the most part - THEY seemed to accept what he had to say AND, better than MOST people understood what they (the FBI) was dealing with when it came to Vernon Wayne Howell.
In fact, they put y'all to shame on understsnding this aspect - the total mind control - that Vernon Wayne Howell HAD over those people in the compound.
If the children that lost their parents can come to grips and understand what 'David Koresh' was all about - WHY CAN'T YOU?
Daft, dense, totally inattentive or A-D-D?
... revealing MANY gunshots inflicted at close range (by the Davidians themselves) - as well as knife wounds on other bodies ...
Spent any time in a Y2K internment camp lately Unc?
God bless that you were not one of our founding fathers and a framer of the declaration of independence. If it were for fools like you we would all still be British.
Anecdotal, hearsay, and without proof.
Repeated conjecture by the conspiro-loon crowd.
Truth would reveal a different scenrio - an armed Vernon Wayne Howell who would *still* be intent on 'not being taken back to jail' (HE HAD a similar trip years earlier - for attepmted murder I think it was).
'Koresh' = Armed = Dangerous = Hazard to 'taking' him in public
Hazard = Shoot-out in public
Imagine TRYING to explian half a dozen innocent civilian bystander fatalities ...
The Jury found that is was a case of Justifiable Homicide.
Facts are stubborn things. One fact is that the Davidians would have been perfectly justified in wiping out every single Fed that day.
Deal with it.
L
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