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Flight attendants scrap deal with American
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| 041903
| AP
Posted on 04/19/2003 7:32:20 AM PDT by Archangelsk
Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:24 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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FORT WORTH, Texas (CNN) -- Outraged by news that troubled American Airlines had planned to give its executives bonuses, flight attendants rescinded their approval of wage cuts and plan to vote again, a union official said late Friday.
No date for the new vote was set. Wednesday, the flight attendants agreed to more than $10 billion in wage concessions over six years. The airline had said it would file for bankruptcy protection if the union did not approve the cuts.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aa; carty; executives; turds; unionskillingjobs
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To: Nebullis
No. But I don't believe that is what I was trying to say.
To: John123
I don't think so, ALPA will still be a powerful force in the industry and I think the A&Ps and Flight Attendant unions will be supported by them.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:02:25 AM PDT
by
Archangelsk
(Think politically not emotionally.)
To: need_a_screen_name
No merit. First, these managers are what got the company where it is today (purchase of TWA, e.g.), why would they perform better in the future? Second, a retention bonus is a chip you put on the table when negotiating with a new employer and is used to moose up the size of the hoped for "sign on" bonus.
AA management is marginal and has been since Crandall left. Carty is a Canadian who has jumped ship before for a better deal. Some of the senior techies might find a better job, but the airline "managers" are going nowhere. But, they can always be relied upon to take care of themselves, FIRST. Has anyone mentioned the company provided cars that 100s of managers get?
The sad part, of course, is the stupidity of the flight attendants. They will collectively stomp their little foot, rescind their give-backs, and whine and bitch as bankruptcy takes more from them and puts a lot more of them on the ground. AA will immediately cut all cabin crews to the minimums. I can tell you from experience, flight attendants hate working a standard 40 hour week in one location and will, for the most part, find it tough to get alternative employment.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:06:59 AM PDT
by
Tacis
To: dark_lord
Surely you must be wrong. The union haters here will tell you every day that the unions are ruining the airlines. Management is constituted of highly valued experts.
Surely SW airlines should hire some of these "experts" to help them "lose" money.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:09:24 AM PDT
by
cynicom
To: Archangelsk
Right on Flight attendants. When a company is in trouble is NOT the time to pay those at the top huge bonuses. A company does not get turned around this way, not with everyone trying to grab what they can. That does not instill faith.
If they did not like working there, tell them to take a hike. Everyone in a company is dispensable. Only those hiring themselves think otherwise.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:10:44 AM PDT
by
MissBaby
To: cynicom
Surely SW airlines should hire some of these "experts" to help them "lose" money. Perfect! Very well put.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:11:57 AM PDT
by
MissBaby
To: Archangelsk
About like union thugs disgust me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:14:21 AM PDT
by
cksharks
To: MissBaby
I spent 30 years in the aviation industry. anyone with a brain could see that the majors were heading for a fall. All of them wanted to be number 1, be the biggest. Management ran the companies, they ruined them, not the unions. There is not a union hater here that did not take all the money he could get during his working life.
Those that say they had their own business, charged every dime they could get for whatever service or product they sold. I find these people to be hypocrits. I always took every penny I earned, it is difficult to believe that some here turned down making money.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:20:20 AM PDT
by
cynicom
To: Tacis
The sad part, of course, is the stupidity of the flight attendants. They will collectively stomp their little foot, rescind their give-backs, and whine and bitch as bankruptcy takes more from them and puts a lot more of them on the ground.Ain't it the truth. Shooting at the helmsman just puts more holes in the boat and then everyone drowns. Does anyone really believe the top people won't ALWAYS have it better than the workers?
The flight attendants and other employees should recognize the flying public has drastically reduced flying. That's the real problem. American airlines employees must think people MUST fly. Not true.
It's not too surprising how turning airports into Gestapo checkpoints discourages a pleasant flying experience. Many people have simply thrown in the towel on flying. They don't have confidence flying is any safer and it's a lot more hassle. You commit a federal crime by forgetting a pocket knife you've always carried is in your pocket. Who needs it?
To: cksharks
Wrong union and wrong decade. This ain't the 1930s or 60s anymore and these "union thugs" are highly trained to keep your butt alive in the event things on the flight deck go south. (Read the NTSB reports and find out how many times the Board cited flight attendants for heroic measures).
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:21:38 AM PDT
by
Archangelsk
(Think politically not emotionally.)
To: Nebullis
AA has no intention of remaining solvent. What they are doing is maximizing current assets and reducing expenses and contracts in order to work up the bankruptcy plan right now.
Those bonuses are typical in a firm going bankrupt. It buys tight lips, testimony in federal bankruptcy court, and other forms of slime loyalty.
The bankruptcy is as certain as gold. All this high visibility whining is slight of hand.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:23:21 AM PDT
by
blackdog
(Peace, love, and understanding.....$10 bucks a hit in America.)
To: Archangelsk
What really pisses me off, is these bastards took that bailout with our money - for what? To pay themselves bonuses as they run their companies into the ground?
To: Archangelsk
If they file bankruptcy the execs get their retirement bonuses, but my uncle who has worked for American for 17 years and is 3 years away from a pension gets shafted.
To: Archangelsk
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:28:54 AM PDT
by
xrp
To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
The flight attendants and other employees should recognize the flying public has drastically reduced flying. Probably because the American public needs a quarter to buy a clue. Last time I looked, the number one fear of the flying public is - no big revelation here - terrorism. However, the numbers, in terms of fatalities, show CFIT (controlled flight into terrain) and loss of control as the two largest causes of death during accidents (terrorism, even with 911 accounted for, still ranks near the bottom).
Many people have simply thrown in the towel on flying.
Our economy depends on a large part to keeping our fleet flying, if we don't the terrorists have won.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:29:07 AM PDT
by
Archangelsk
(Think politically not emotionally.)
To: sinkspur
Most of the senior execs at AA are not thieves or criminals.That's exactly what they are. They think they're better than the rank and file and entitled to these extravgant perks simply because they can do it behind closed doors and (usually) get away with it.
The significant majority of them (if not all of them) are already millionaires many times over and don't need these outrageous benefits. But knowing that the company is in trouble (because of their mismanagement) they take care of themselves first and pad their own pockets while simultaneously plotting to ask for givebacks from the employees.
Looking at it from another perspective, what they are really doing is asking the pilots and flight attendants to pay for their protected retirements and golden parachutes.
Yes, that's exactly what they are: greedy crooks and thieves. My AA Platinum card goes back today.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:29:38 AM PDT
by
O6ret
To: sinkspur
So either they let the CEO's soak the company by guaranteeing a nice retirement or they go into bankruptcy.
If I was a sizeable shareholder I'd demand they remove the top executives for gross negligence.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:30:18 AM PDT
by
Bogey78O
(check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
To: banjo joe
yep--how the wheel does turn. Remember in the nineties, how these were the golden boys? You forgot "delusions of divinity"--the easier the rise of a CEO, the more convinced he is that he deserves it. Am acquainted with one who got his ride through a relative--but he thinks he's a lot more wonderful than if he had to claw his own way up--cleaner, you know...
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:31:54 AM PDT
by
Mamzelle
To: O6ret
They think they're better than the rank and file and entitled to these extravgant perks .
They run a company that is responsible for tens of thousands of jobs. I think that makes them better than the rank and file. If they weren't, then everyone would be running an airline company.
The significant majority of them (if not all of them) are already millionaires many times over and don't need these outrageous benefits.
Sure they do, again they're providing tens of thousands of jobs. However, I don't think anyone should get bonuses in the company if the company is in trouble. This is indeed pretty stupid on their part.
Yes, that's exactly what they are: greedy crooks and thieves. My AA Platinum card goes back today. Yes, that's exactly what they are: greedy crooks and thieves. My AA Platinum card goes back today.
Good! That's shopping with your dollar. I don't fly American (living in Atlanta, its either AirTran [YES!] or Delta [UGH!]), keep in mind that you not flying AA like you used to will hurt the rank and file you were championing at the beginning of your post rather than the significant majority of multi-millionaires.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:33:29 AM PDT
by
xrp
To: cynicom
I spent 30 years in the aviation industry. anyone with a brain could see that the majors were heading for a fall. All of them wanted to be number 1, be the biggest. Management ran the companies, they ruined them, not the unions. There is not a union hater here that did not take all the money he could get during his working life. Those that say they had their own business, charged every dime they could get for whatever service or product they sold. I find these people to be hypocrits. I always took every penny I earned, it is difficult to believe that some here turned down making money. Your post is filled with the kind of antagonism that is the cause of many problems in the relationship between company and employee.
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posted on
04/19/2003 8:33:55 AM PDT
by
MissBaby
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