Liberal Methodist Leaders Call Bush to Repentance

AgapePress ^ | April 17, 2003 | Jody Brown and Bill Fancher

[dts32041]

Picky picky I know I can't spell, even with a a spell checker, but I was not going to spell wear or rubber, and offend everybody on the site.

Esp. after JR just took out my monthly contribution today.

[Jimmy Valentine]

As tyhe decendant of old time grim faced, Weslyan Methodist circuit riding preachers, I can say with confidence that they would have burned these people at the stake(But they would not have danced or drank spirits at the time).

Grim regards, brothers.....

[axel f]

If someone answers your question, please let me know because I've been wondering the same thing.

[babylonian]

Repent to who? God or the Methodist leaders?

[ArcLight]

Leaving aside the arguments about the war, this message reminds me of a pet peeve of mine about liberal Christians. These guys are extraordinarily full of themselves, or so it seems to me.

Check out the heading of their ad: "A Prophetic Epistle from United Methodists Calling Our Brother George W. Bush to Repent." Those first words are what set me off. It'd be one thing for them to run an ad expressing their profound disagreement with the president; nor do I have any objection to their basing their disagreement on religious principle.

But to call their message "a prophetic epistle?" Sheesh. Who do these guys think they are? Isaiah? St. Paul? Give me a break. You can disagree with the other fellow, without tarting up your expression of disagreement with the borrowed authority of holy scripture.

I attend a very conservative Baptist church. I can't imagine any of the clergy there daring to describe themselves as "prophetic" or describing their writings as "epistles." It's just too uppity, by a long shot. But these guys, they don't miss a beat. One more reason I tend to ignore 'em.

[arkfreepdom]

Not when you consider that the Pope argued against the war AND met with the French Foreign Minister, Villaprick, just before the war. The RCC and mainstrem churches are out of touch.

[eleni121]

Disgusting bunch!

But it's not only the United Methodists...there are cells of left wing self styled Christians in most major denominations.

[MEG33]

You won't find this drivel from the pulpit in a Texas Methodist Church that I have ever visited.

[DeathfromBelow]

They are hard to find, but out there. Might try Calvary Chapels.

[LauraJean]

These people should talk of repentance. They have the blood of millions of innocent people on their hands. I can only hope when it is time for them to meet their maker they will be greeted by the innocent men, women and children tortured and killed by Hussain

[NetValue]

Methodists, indeed any church, should be free to engage in political activities...but not with a tax exemption. This church needs to be audited for compliance with the "no politics" rules for their tax exemption.

[aruanan]

My relatives are turning over in their graves. This is not the Methodist Church of old.

But there are many, many, many Methodist churches both here and abroad (I know of them in Brazil and England) that are as Methodist and Bible-believing as they ever were in Wesley's day. The problem was that the Methodist church has become ruled not by the laity but by the ecclesiastics. This was probably how it became possible for so many higher church offices to have been occupied by functional unbelievers. Some people tell folks in these Bible-believing Methodist churches that they need to leave the United Methodist Church. They, on the other hand, say that it is their church and that it would be immoral for them to abandon it, to just hand everything that so many have worked for over so many years over to a bunch of unbelievers. I'm happy for those who are in particular congregations who are unable to get rid of an unbelieving pastor leave to join other churches of the Methodist tradition (Free Methodists, Wesleyan Methodists, Primitive Methodists). About 5 families came to our church from a United Methodist Church after they finally discovered that the pastor didn't even consider himself to be a Christian but had become a pastor because that was how he saw himself able to engage in social activism. He was also the college roommate of that UM pastor who performed a ceremony of union for a homosexual couple in Chicago and was censured for it. But it's also a good thing for United Methodist churches to try to oppose liberals in the church hierarchy and seek to convert them or throw them out on their unbelieving butts. Oops, did that sound uncharitable?

[jagrmeister]

Why don't we strike a bargain. Why don't these NAMBLA-member Liberal clergymen stop raping children and then we'll think about listening to their political outbursts.

[aruanan]

Picky picky I know I can't spell, even with a a spell checker, but I was not going to spell wear or rubber, and offend everybody on the site.

No, that's just what one does when one is giving an accurate quote.

[IndyPatriot]

IMO, The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod is very traditional. I joined about a year ago after the Episcopal Church I was raised in became intolerable to me. ( priestesses, same sex marriage, homosexual clergy.) The Missouri Synod remains consistent with traditional Christian theology, unlike the Evangelical Lutherans who have entered into an unholy alliance with the Episcopalians.

[aruanan]

I challenge anybody to find a true man of God in any church today.

I've seen plenty of them. My father is one. He also happens to be one of the few pastors I've known who aren't morons.

[MEG33]

Not uncharitable at all.

[bmwcyle]

I am a Methodist and the central church can go F itself.