Teaching Kindergarten Kids About 'Human Differences' and Homosexuality Isn't 'Easy' in Newton

Massachusetts News ^ | April 17, 2003 | MassNews Staff

[scripter]

I have never "denied what was said." Unlike hysterically paranoid others, I at least consider the CONTEXT in which it was said.

So you don't deny what was said. Yet you at least consider the CONTEXT. Would you please explain the following regarding fisting:

When a few of the students winced, the Department of Public Health employee offered, “A little known fact about fisting, you don’t make a fist, like this. It’s like this,” forming his hand into the shape of a tear drop rather than a balled fist. He informed the children that it was much easier.

In what CONTEXT is that considered something kids should learn?

[Noumenon]

Hey, pal - I did offer you the first move, and you've spent more time in evasion than you have in answering. So noted. So let's try these:

1. Do you approve of 'normalizing' homosexual behavior to grade-schoolers? If so, why?

2. Do you, as was recorded in one of the conferences (I've got a copy of the tape, BTW) think that either gradeschoolers or high school students need to be taught the mechanincs of fisting? If so, why?

[Antoninus]

You're a piece of work. You have absolutely no concern that this group is corrupting the morals of minors, teaching them about filthy things like "fisting" (hence, fist-gate) and here you are fixating on how the information came out. Doesn't the public have a RIGHT to know the real agenda of these groups? I'll tell you, it came as a serious revelation to many, many people. Yet much like what James Carville et al. did to Ken Starr, you're more interested in maligning the accusers than facing the fact that these swine think it's fine and dandy to indoctrinate people's kids behind their backs.

Let's get your cards on the table: what do you think the age of consent should be?

[philetus]

I would guess a lot of these parents don't relize that they are letting their children be set up for a slaughter.

[JoshGray]

So I take it you disagree with some of the quoted sources? how's come?

Because they're garbage "written by 'bigots, rightwing christians, homophobes'". More specifically, while I'm far from an expert, I know a little bit about statistical analysis, scientific method, research bias, representative sampling, etc.

For example: "An exhaustive study in The New England Journal of Medicine, medical literature's only study reporting on homosexuals who kept sexual "diaries," indicated the average homosexual ingests the fecal material of 23 different men each year."

That "exhaustive study" involved 102 homosexual men -- hardly "exhaustive" and hardly representative of the "average homosexual".

Another: "Medical Consequences of What Homosexuals Do", "Violence and Homosexuality", & "Homosexual Rape and Murder of Children" were all written by the same man, Paul Cameron. Cameron is a well-recognized fool, hijacking data from legitimate sources to promote his own agenda. What is that agenda? Well, he's also been quoted as saying "Marital sex tends toward the boring end. Generally, it doesn’t deliver the kind of sheer sexual pleasure that homosexual sex does."(Rolling Stone, March 18, 1999)

And "gay nazis"? Sorry, but the leading Jewish groups and nazi-hunters don't seem to recognize it.

I could go on for days about the crap from Cameron, but I'd probably be wasting my time. Go ahead and use Remedy's sources.

How to do Fraudulent Research on Homosexuality

[EdReform]

"...Would you please explain the following regarding fisting:

When a few of the students winced, the Department of Public Health employee offered, “A little known fact about fisting, you don’t make a fist, like this. It’s like this,” forming his hand into the shape of a tear drop rather than a balled fist. He informed the children that it was much easier.

In what CONTEXT is that considered something kids should learn?"

In reply 208 in the thread Parent Alleges Harassment for Exposing 'Fistgate', I asked madg the following question:

"Do you actually believe that instructing kids on how to properly shape a fist for insertion into an anus has scientific value?"

You can read his reply in reply 209 of that thread.

Spend some time reading through the following threads:

Parent Alleges Harassment for Exposing 'Fistgate'

Fistgate to be Held Again on March 15

[philetus]

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[philetus]

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Last updated 4/9/2003 by Jean Richter, richter@eecs.Berkeley.EDU

[scripter]

Who asked the question: "What is fisting?"

[scripter]

madg sure tries hard at misdirection.

[scripter]

we can only assume that one of the attendees asked the question

Would you agree it could be a child or one of the speakers as well?

[Lancey Howard]

For pete's sake, stop this madness.

It is totally up to the parents to stop the madness. For example, I would not allow my children to be alone with a Newton teacher, not in a million years. Clearly, the unfit parents who do turn their children over to the Newton schools do so out of laziness, stupidity, or because they too are mentally ill.

You can't cure the world, but you can certainly leave places like Newton. Would you stay there?

[Lancey Howard]

This is not appropriate for Kindergarten children.

Uh, yeah. How about 1st graders? That okay with you?

[Ciexyz]

Sheesh, wasn't the book "Heather Has Two Mommies" enuf for this crowd?

[Lancey Howard]

I don't much care that you people enjoy fists, forearms, and hamsters up your poop-chutes but do you have to go corrupting kindergarders? Have you no decency, man?