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Dr. Robert Atkins Dead

Posted on 04/17/2003 9:14:11 AM PDT by E.G.C.

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To: RipSawyer; agrace
I have some bad news for you:

healthcheck weight-height chart

.........small.......medium..large-frame
6'4" 162-176 171-187 181-207 (pounds)

261 posted on 04/21/2003 6:43:39 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer
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To: kinsman redeemer
I know, I have seen the charts before. I just don't really believe in them. I have gone into a mens store to buy a suit and had to buy the "athletic cut" and then have the waist size of the pants reduced still smaller and all the time weighing in at far above the maximum weight allowed on the chart. I can have a waist size 12 inches smaller than my chest and still be obese according to these charts. At 207, which is the maximum allowed, I look like a beanpole.
When I first left the Navy I dropped back down to 185 and I could actually push my pants down without unbuckling my belt.
262 posted on 04/21/2003 10:05:39 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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To: Artist
It's just so hard to believe that all the (supposedly bad) stuff I've avoided all this time could actually help me lose weight....

I thought the same thing. The "steak and eggs" image of the diet, which I used to have, is a gross mischaracterization. The diet is mainly about removing sugar and flour from one's diet, and cutting down considerably on carbs.

I can give you more info off line, but I can't recommend it highly enough. It's a life-changer. 8-)

263 posted on 04/21/2003 11:32:53 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
I thought the same thing. The "steak and eggs" image of the diet, which I used to have, is a gross mischaracterization.The diet is mainly about removing sugar and flour from one's diet, and cutting down considerably on carbs.

No, it's not a gross mischaracterization. Any diet recommending porkrinds deserves savage ridicule. Atkins dieters are just begging for diverticulosis and a whole host of other problems. I mean, what kind of psycho doctor would advise patients to go into ketosis, a pathological condition? Dr. Atkins, among other kooks.

I can give you more info off line, but I can't recommend it highly enough. It's a life-changer. 8-)

Enjoy...

Oh, wait! Lose the potatoes.

264 posted on 05/05/2003 11:30:11 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: jennyp
But nothing, and I mean NOTHING, smells worse than a half-head of cauliflower that has gone bad in the fridge!

Ever smell the B.O., breath, and farts fuming off an Atkins dieter?

265 posted on 05/05/2003 11:32:59 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Crispy
Actually, this isn't even close to Atkins, unless your waffles and cake are made from low-carb recipes.

I.e., made from pork rinds.

Common sense dictates that there's something deeply disturbing and just plain wrong about a diet that features pork rinds as a staple ingredient.

266 posted on 05/05/2003 11:38:03 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
I mean, what kind of psycho doctor would advise patients to go into ketosis, a pathological condition?

You are confusing ketosis with ketoacidosis, which is a pathological, life threatening condition. Ketosis is simply a state where one's body is buring fat instead of glucose.

You have made three straight posts that show you have no idea what you are talking about.

267 posted on 05/05/2003 11:42:39 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves
You are confusing ketosis with ketoacidosis,

You're the one who's confused.

Miller-Keane Medical Dictionary, 2000 (ke-to´sis) accumulation in the blood and tissues of large quantities of the "ketone bodies" KETONE BODIES: beta-hydroxybutyric acid, acetoacetic acid, and acetone. Because the first two are acids, this results in metabolic "acidosis" ACIDOSIS. Thus, the condition is often referred to as ketoacidosis. adj., ketot´ic. When fatty acids are metabolized in the liver, an intermediate, acetylcoenzyme A (acetyl CoA), is produced. Normally, acetyl CoA is condensed with oxaloacetic acid, a product of carbohydrate metabolism, to form citric acid. This then enters the tricarboxylic acid cycle, the final common pathway of cellular energy metabolism. When oxaloacetate is not present, acetyl CoA is converted by another pathway to ketone bodies. These compounds cannot be metabolized by the liver and are released into the blood stream. Other tissues, including muscle, brain, heart, and kidneys, can convert ketone bodies back to acetyl CoA and metabolize them as an energy source. In acute starvation or in uncontrolled "diabetes mellitus" DIABETES MELLITUS, there is a great increase in fatty acid metabolism and impaired or absent carbohydrate metabolism, which results in a greatly increased production of ketone bodies. This can also occur when the diet is composed almost entirely of fat. The production of ketone bodies is reduced to the normal low level and the ketoacidosis is reversed when adequate carbohydrate metabolism is restored. The patient with ketosis often has a sweet or "fruity" odor to his breath. This is produced by acetone, a ketone body that is highly volatile and is blown off in small amounts with air expired from the lung
Ketosis is simply a state where one's body is buring fat instead of glucose.

Any real doctor can tell you that ketosis is an abnormal metabolic production of ketones, and that "Benign Dietary Ketosis" exists only in the deluded minds of Atkins dieters.

268 posted on 05/05/2003 12:11:23 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
"Common sense dictates that there's something deeply disturbing and just plain wrong about a diet that features pork rinds as a staple ingredient."

Common sense dictates that your an idiot. Show me where Dr. Atkins said pork rinds is a staple food on the Atkins diet? I have not eaten pork rinds since I have been on atkins. There is so much other things to eat. Such as: Steak, shrimp, salmon, pork chops, chicken breasts, chicken wings, cheese, blackberries, strawberries, raspberries, salad, cheese, cashews, macadamias, pecans, almonds, eggs, bacon, etc.

Hmm. Looks pretty healthy to me. You must be one of those people that eat processed foods and are fat as a result.

269 posted on 05/05/2003 12:30:32 PM PDT by Crispy
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To: Crispy
You must be one of those people that eat processed foods and are fat as a result.

An Atkins dieter accusing other people of being fat and having unhealthy eating habits... imagine that.

270 posted on 05/05/2003 12:40:41 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Illbay
They found him dead with an entire basket of crescent dinner rolls clutched in his hand, most of them eaten.

They found him with a steak through his heart.

271 posted on 05/05/2003 12:55:45 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Crispy
You must be one of those people that eat processed foods

The irony of this statement is astonishing. Let's have a look at some of the yummy ingredients in the "Advantage" bars and "Bake Mix" Atkins pushes on his victims:

soy protein isolate, hydrolyzed collagen, whey protein isolate, calcium/sodium caseinate, lecithin, glycerine, xylitol, citric acid, potassium citrate... polydextrose (Litesse), glucono delta lactone, potassium bicarbonate, potassium chloride, sodium phosphate potassium chloride, sucralose...
Yummy good things to eat from Dr. Atkins lab - er - kitchen! Collagen and glycerine - just like them soap bars grandpa used to make!
272 posted on 05/05/2003 1:20:54 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Crispy
Such as: Steak, shrimp, salmon, pork chops, chicken breasts, chicken wings, cheese,

You listed cheese twice. Did you mean spam?

273 posted on 05/05/2003 1:29:22 PM PDT by palmer (ohmygod this bulldozer is like, really heavy?)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
I'll take Duke University's word over yours...

Effect of 6 Month Adherence to a Very Low Carbohydrate Diet Program

A team of researchers at Duke University Medical Center has conducted an ongoing weight-loss study that entailed monitoring 50 subjects who were following the Atkins Nutritional Approach (TM). The individuals were monitored throughout the initial six-month period, with data that included results of laboratory tests, weight/waist measurements, diet composition, symptoms and side effects. The results, published in the peer-review American Journal of Medicine, suggest that the ANA is not only effective in weight loss and management, but manifests significant improvement in a number of cardiovascular disease risk factors.

Key points:

The overweight or obese healthy volunteers who wanted to lose weight were placed on a very low-carbohydrate diet (less than 25g/day of carbohydrates), including nutritional supplementation, recommendations about exercise, and attendance at group meetings to determine the effect of a very low-carbohydrate diet program with no limit on caloric intake.

Forty-one individuals or 80 percent followed the nutrition regimen for the duration of the study.

The regimen led to sustained weight loss during the six-month period. Body weight decreased significantly by 10.3 percent (or an average of almost 20 pounds) from the beginning to the end of the study. Body mass index decreased by 3.2 kg/m2. Average percentage of body fat significantly decreased by 2.9 percent. Total cholesterol level decreased by 11mg/dL; low-density lipoprotein cholesterol level decreased significantly by 10 mg/dL; triglyceride level decreased with a high level of significance by 56 mg/dL; high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol level increased significantly by 10 mg/dL; and the cholesterol/HDL cholesterol ratio was also significantly decreased by 0.9 units. There were no serious adverse effects. Further controlled research is warranted.

In addition to the ongoing weight-loss study, Duke researchers also performed a two-armed, randomized controlled trial to study 120 obese hyperlipidemic adults. The study compared the controlled carbohydrate Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM to the American Heart Association (AHA) Step I diet advocated by many health professionals for cardiovascular health. In each arm of the study, 60 subjects were monitored for clinical values, side effects, body composition and bone-mineral density. Food records provided measures of caloric intake as well as carbohydrate, protein and fat intake. This comparative study demonstrated that subjects on a controlled carbohydrate eating program lost both more weight and more body fat than subjects following a low-fat diet. In addition, those subjects controlling their carbohydrate intake showed a decrease in triglycerides and total cholesterol as well as an increase in HDL (“good”)cholesterol levels. The full results of this research, including some groundbreaking data regarding our expanding knowledge on the role of cholesterol in heart disease, has been submitted for publication in scientific journals.

274 posted on 05/05/2003 2:18:56 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I'll take AJKD's word over a study paid for by the "Atkins Foundation".

Effect of low-carbohydrate high-protein diets on acid-base balance, stone-forming propensity, and calcium metabolism.

Reddy ST, Wang CY, Sakhaee K, Brinkley L, Pak CY.

Department of Internal Medicine, Section of General Internal Medicine, The University of Chicago, IL 60637, USA. sreddy@medicine.bsd.uchicago.edu

BACKGROUND: Low-carbohydrate high-protein (LCHP) diets are used commonly for weight reduction. This study explores the relationship between such diets and acid-base balance, kidney-stone risk, and calcium and bone metabolism. METHODS: Ten healthy subjects participated in a metabolic study. Subjects initially consumed their usual non-weight-reducing diet, then a severely carbohydrate-restricted induction diet for 2 weeks, followed by a moderately carbohydrate-restricted maintenance diet for 4 weeks. Results: Urine pH decreased from 6.09 (Usual) to 5.56 (Induction; P < 0.01) to 5.67 (Maintenance;P < 0.05). Net acid excretion increased by 56 mEq/d (Induction; P < 0.001) and 51 mEq/d (Maintenance; P < 0.001) from a baseline of 61 mEq/d. Urinary citrate levels decreased from 763 mg/d (3.98 mmol/d) to 449 mg/d (2.34 mmol/d; P < 0.01) to 581 mg/d (3.03 mmol/d; P < 0.05). Urinary saturation of undissociated uric acid increased more than twofold. Urinary calcium levels increased from 160 mg/d (3.99 mmol/d) to 258 mg/d (6.44 mmol/d; P < 0.001) to 248 mg/d (6.19 mmol/d; P < 0.01). This increase in urinary calcium levels was not compensated by a commensurate increase in fractional intestinal calcium absorption. Therefore, estimated calcium balance decreased by 130 mg/d (3.24 mmol/d; P < 0.001) and 90 mg/d (2.25 mmol/d; P < 0.05). Urinary deoxypyridinoline and N-telopeptide levels trended upward, whereas serum osteocalcin concentrations decreased significantly (P < 0.01). CONCLUSION: Consumption of an LCHP diet for 6 weeks delivers a marked acid load to the kidney, increases the risk for stone formation, decreases estimated calcium balance, and may increase the risk for bone loss. Copyright 2002 by the National Kidney Foundation, Inc.

PMID: 12148098 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


275 posted on 05/05/2003 3:27:57 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Ever smell the B.O., breath, and farts fuming off an Atkins dieter?

My husband, for the last 2 1/2 years. No problems. Sorry.

276 posted on 05/05/2003 6:09:52 PM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: E.G.C.
Thoughts and prayers.
277 posted on 05/05/2003 6:11:20 PM PDT by ChadGore (It's all an Amish plot.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
I've been on low-carb for 2 1/2 years now. True, I was barely able to get myself into ketosis during the induction phase, but it's been very much a low-carb diet the whole time.

Please read my blood numbers at post 249, and trust me when I say I've never felt better. Obviously I'm doing the diet wrong. Please let me know what I'm doing wrong.

278 posted on 05/05/2003 6:14:29 PM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
No, it's not a gross mischaracterization. Any diet recommending porkrinds deserves savage ridicule. Atkins dieters are just begging for diverticulosis and a whole host of other problems. I mean, what kind of psycho doctor would advise patients to go into ketosis, a pathological condition? Dr. Atkins, among other kooks.

You're mistaking Dr. Atkins' diet for The Pork Rind Diet™, I think. Also ketosis isn't a pathological condition. You're thinking of ketoacidosis.

279 posted on 05/07/2003 6:16:25 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: jennyp
Please let me know what I'm doing wrong.

You need to add 270 grams of carbohydrate to your diet on a daily basis from sugar and flour. Then you'll feel much better. < /sarcasm>

280 posted on 05/07/2003 6:27:01 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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