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Shock and awe not only for Iraqis {The "Fair" tax cometh}
WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/16/2003 | By Joan Veon

Posted on 04/16/2003 7:28:39 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park

WorldNetDaily / Commentary

Shock and awe not only for Iraqis

Posted: April 16, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joan Veon
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

While jubilant Americans can't help but be fixated on "revolutionary" military operations they have witnessed on television for the past two weeks – called "Shock and Awe" – most are not aware that Americans are about to receive their own economic "Shock and Awe."

Many forget that while Rome burned, Nero was busy deflecting attention away from the real center of action. For example, the front page of the March 8 Washington Post featured a huge picture showing the burning of Baghdad with all but 5 percent of the front page devoted to the war in Iraq. However, at the bottom was the "bunker buster" which will shatter our own field of dreams here in America.

While the house voted well past midnight several weeks ago to approve the full tax plan of $726 billion, the Senate cut it by half when they voted several days later. While you may think this is not a sure thing, a recent editorial, entitled "Lay off the Tax Candy," in the Washington Post explained the deceptive game now being played. They said that there is some fine print in the Senate version that provides for some fancy footwork which gives them the ability to vote for the full amount, while making it look like they are against it.

Unfortunately, our government has not really made clear what this tax law is all about. From the extensive research I have done, I consider this proposal to be the most heinous change as it will destroy the ability of the middle class to sustain their economic power while enhancing the upper classes.

If enacted, this legislation, will deliver the final blow to the ability of "Joe and Jane Average" to get ahead. It should be pointed out that its title is a misnomer. This plan will not stimulate the economy but will cause much larger deficits, which will be borne by Americans as a result of the war, which is being waged.

Recently at the G7 finance ministers meeting, Secretary Snow, who likes to snow people, basically said that this increased deficit spending could be seen as a type of "capital spending" that most companies do when they want to expand. If it does not work, it is not the shareholder who has lost out, it is the entire populace of America. After the $4 to 6 trillion Nasdaq crash, most Americans who suffered any type of substantial loss are not looking to the market for answers.

The proposed legislation will, instead, change the entire tax code of America from a tax on income to a tax on consumption over a 10-year period. At this point in history, we are the only developed country not to have this form of taxation – which means Bush is globalizing our tax laws. In other words, he is harmonizing our tax laws and system to conform to what the major European industrial countries have. In my opinion, this basically will set the platform for a global IRS. By the way, the United Nations has been working on these kinds of ideas for the last 30 years.

Under this VAT (value-added tax), every time a purchase is made, there will be up to a possible 27 percent tax on it. This tax could replace the tax on income, making only consumption taxable while all forms of income are tax-free. There are some countries that have a value-added tax plus a tax on income while America is the only country without a VAT, but has a tax on income.

For those who have enough savings to live off of their income, this is a windfall, but for those who have only debt with little or no savings, this will create a financial burden equal to the Israelites having to make bricks without straw.

At the heart of this plan is the elimination of tax on corporate dividends. Again, if you obtain your living from stock dividends, this will be like going to heaven. No tax on income – only a tax on what you buy. Let's look at three different sets of individuals.

First we have Old Money Harry. He has never had to have a real job because he gets his living from the family trust. All of the family assets – the fabulous house, the cars, the summer homes, the yacht, the Mercedes and Rolls are held by the family trust, along with title to three large commercial pieces of real estate. Harry made several killings buying and selling real estate because the gains were tax-free since they were inside the family trust. The only downside is that the income from the trust is taxed.

However, under the proposal to reduce tax brackets – which is necessary in order to make the rates flat – from 38 percent to 21 percent, it won't hurt as much. Harry will have 17 percent more to spend. Only what you buy will be taxed – however, if you have it in a trust, no tax. Old Money Harry will achieve growth unsurpassed under the proposed tax-stimulus plan, just like the Kennedys, the Rockefellers, the Mellons and anyone else with this arrangement.

Next are John and Jane Middleclass. Both have reasonably good jobs with attractive incomes. They both have advanced degrees and live in the "executive home" to match their rising social status. They lease a Lexus and Jaguar and think nothing of packing up and going to Vale or to the Bahamas at a moment's notice. They have re-financed the house several times to add a new wing, exceptional landscaping and a pool.

While they know they are basically spending everything they are bringing in, they rationalize by thinking about the rising equity in their home and how much they will be able to cash out when they retire. Unfortunately their 401ks got zapped during the NASDAQ crash.

Donnie and Susie Squeeze are 25 years old. Donnie served in the military and works as a mechanic for the local Honda dealer. They have three small children and Susie works part-time at the local grocery store. They are saving for a down payment on a home and hope to send their kids to college if they can afford it. Right now they are just barely making ends meet.
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In order to explain the proposed tax stimulus program, let us take a look at who will come out like a bandit. Old Money Harry will be able to double his assets because he has the right tools: a pile of money and a trust. He will basically pay very little tax considering his income and assets. The stock dividends will be tax free, and other sources of income may be tax free, depending on if he takes advantage of the new Lifetime Savings Accounts.

Joe and Jane Middleclass will experience some drop in tax on income. However, once the proposed stealth tax is in full force, they probably will not have any tax break from the mortgage interest expense because it had to be sacrificed in order to pay for the other parts of the tax package. Since they have no savings outside of their 401ks, they won't have any benefit from the tax-free sources of income.

But because they like to spend, they will pay 21 to 27 percent every time they make a purchase. There is no doubt their spending habits will change. If the economy tanks and one of them gets laid off, they might have to sell the house. If the economy is not doing well, who will buy their house and at what price?

Donnie and Susie Squeeze are about to be squished. Their tax bracket will have to rise in order to help pay for the new tax law, but since they have very little savings they really won't feel the benefit of tax free dividends and investment income. Since they are still accumulating, every time they buy a car, a dishwasher, etc., they will pay a hefty consumption tax.

Unfortunately, the thought of buying a house might be out of the picture since it too will have a 21 to 27 percent tax. Depending on whether the U.S. can stimulate the economy enough to pay for the war, they may be on the hook for the cost of war.


Lastly, it's time to examine what George Bush stands for, because it appears he is trying to harmonize our tax laws with the other countries of the world. There has been no clarification – let alone an announcement – that the Bush administration is changing the tax code. Why keep truth from the American people? What happened to the country that the colonists fled to from the British and European feudalistic systems?

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To: Ga Rob
Get over what? The cost of an income tax is built into the price of our items. If they buy 'stuff' they are supporting the tax regime, if even indirectly.

The idea of every convenience store owner being a tax collector is anathema to the American experience; I think the culture and conservatives are better served with an IRS and an Income Tax until the damn amendment is repealed all together.
41 posted on 04/16/2003 10:18:18 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: JohnGalt
The idea of every convenience store owner being a tax collector is anathema to the American experience;

JohnGalt, this is what we have now!!!

The wool is over your eyes.

42 posted on 04/16/2003 10:28:42 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
Then I shall clarify, federal tax collector.

The remedy for what you allude to here in Massachusetts is to hop over the border in tax-free New Hampshire. Tyranny of location is still subverted where as at the federal level, there would be no escape.
43 posted on 04/16/2003 10:31:18 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
You missed my point, a 'fair tax' is better than what we have now because at the VERY least it elimates 90%-95% of the paper work and pencil pushers.
44 posted on 04/16/2003 10:34:25 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I want some of what you and the author are smoking.

Current unconstitutional income tax is already a VAT. Manufacturers pay taxes on raw materials to make into products, then they're taxed again when they're sold to sellers.

Taxes are again levied on those finished goods when they're sold to consumers.

The Fairtax completely eliminates all these hidden taxes, producing a single tax levied on the final good or service sold to consumers.

Would you rather be taxed on your income or on what you spend? Under a Fairtax, prices on most goods and services would actually DROP because there is no hidden taxes built into the product.

45 posted on 04/16/2003 10:47:04 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: JohnGalt
I am saying if you advocate a flat income tax, then trust fund babies still get over because they do not live on income, they still are not taxed the same as others who work for an income. But they have to buy things...expensive things, then they get taxed just like everyone else.

So you don't want an income tax or a sales tax? How would you propose funding the goverment? Or do we not need that either?
46 posted on 04/16/2003 10:49:00 AM PDT by Ga Rob (I'm not the cause of your problems.....you are!!)
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To: Zon
There's so many Chicken Littles that don't realize they're their own worst enemies. Of course, there are one or two people on the tax threads that have a vested interest in the tax quagmire and will fight tooth and nail and obfuscate to continue the quagmire.

You hit the nail on the head. Imagine how many H & R Block reps and tax accountants would be out of jobs. Not to mention the lobbyists that fight on behalf of the income tax.

That sound you've heard is the Founders rolling over again in disgust.

47 posted on 04/16/2003 10:49:21 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Ga Rob
I don't believe in using the tax code to support some social end, like sticking it to the 'trust fund' babies or any other class envy end. I do believe in reducing spending at the federal level to 4% of GNP, which could be supported with excise and non-protective tarriffs as it was for over a century prior to the mad Congress of the 19-teens.



48 posted on 04/16/2003 10:57:45 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
George, George, George! The flat tax you profess to prefer is STILL an INCOME tax Karl Marx laid out in his Communist Manifesto, Plank Two. And though it MAY start out flat, so did the current mess. How long do you think it will take for the new cute little monkey to morph into the huge 800# gorilla we face each April 15th?

Is your hatred and envy of the EVIL RICH -- whom the statistics prove are NOT a fixed, static group -- such that you would embrace Marxist SOCIALISM and the wealth redistrubution Bastiat called "legalized plunder" to get at them?

Tsk, tsk, tsk...

IF YOU WANT THIS MAN – AND MEN LIKE HIM – TO REMAIN IN CONTROL OF YOUR ECONOMIC AND PERSONAL DESTINY, CONTINUE TO TOLERATE THE CURRENT MARXIST INCOME TAX SYSTEM.

ONE MORE TIME:

IT’S ABOUT

P O W E R AND C O N T R O L!!

SIGN THE PETITION AT HTTP://WWW.VOTR.ORG. Then find out how you can do more to end America’s peculiar SPRING MADNESS.

49 posted on 04/16/2003 10:58:56 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: JohnGalt
I am not talking about any specific state or states as you posit.

I am, however, illustrating that what you purport to fear is the situation in which we now find ourselves under your beloved income tax.... to wit: a tax that is part of the price of every single good and service available in these United States. Currently, that tax is 22% tax inclusive. You just don't seem to understand that you're already paying it.

Further, under an nrst, not all things would have the tax included in the price as is the situation today.

Further, under your beloved income tax, the 22% tax is hidden; so numbskulls don't even know they're paying it.

Further, under the nrst, the tax becomes completely visible, itemized on the receipt of every taxable - so even dolts will know the burden of our federal tax system.



50 posted on 04/16/2003 11:00:23 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Ga Rob
But wouldn't your "Old Money Harry's" still get over with a flat tax? They live off wealth, not income. It seems to me the only way they would pay would be through a sales tax.

Or, as I proposed in Post #6, a wealth tax.

You can say that wealth earned by an individual is tax exempt. Inherited wealth up to $1 million dollars per person and wealth in the form of a productive family business is tax exempt. Beyond that, inherited accumulated wealth can be taxed at a certain percentage rate per year.

As it is right now, the truly wealthy such as the Kennedys and individuals such as John Kerry who is living off the wealth earned by the ancestors of the deceased first husband of his current wife are truly wealthy but pay no taxes on that wealth.

51 posted on 04/16/2003 11:05:03 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: JohnGalt
gotcha...I see where you're coming from now. You're right in one respect all these tax systems have a class envy factor built right into them.

HHHmmmm....I need to do some more research..Thanks.
52 posted on 04/16/2003 11:06:21 AM PDT by Ga Rob (I'm not the cause of your problems.....you are!!)
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To: Principled
I am not sure I care for your debating style but it seems some basics will have to be outlined for you.

A true flat tax, with no exceptions and no medicare no SS, no hidden unemployment insurance tax, would be paid every April 15. Withholding tax would be eliminated, of course.

Unlike seeing a dollar at the bottom of a receipt, folks would be taking out loans to pay their tax bills. The DC tax regime wouldn't last one election cycle.

Its a political theory not a tax reform theory-- recognize the difference because I am sure your intentions are in light of the bigger cause, starving Leviathan.
53 posted on 04/16/2003 11:12:34 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Bush is globalizing our tax laws

And our present graduated income tax system is one of the ten basic principles for a communist society. [See the Communist Manifesto].

In that light the VAT does not sound so bad. And at least it is somewhat voluntary- you pay the tax only if you purchase the item in question. The income tax is regressive, punitive and compulsary.

54 posted on 04/16/2003 11:16:58 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Let the government do this, when the middle of america goes bust so will the entire world. At that point in time the dollar will only be good used as toilet paper and the poor will rise up against the rich and destroy them. If you don't believe this just ask the French what happened to the king a couple hundred years ago. The rich who would think this plan would work are stupid, the poor out number them 100 million to one and once the poor start starving they will start feasting on the rich.
56 posted on 04/16/2003 12:04:56 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: JohnGalt
If you buy it black market you are only supporting those who need it. When the government does this, the people will find other ways to get things, it's called bartering and if you remember right, the United States was founded because the brits wanted to tax us to death.
57 posted on 04/16/2003 12:06:36 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: JohnGalt
I think it doesn't matter your feelings about any poster's debating style. That aside, there is no such animal as a flat income tax that eliminates withholding payroll taxes; nor is there any flat income tax proposal that eliminates withholding. Perhaps that is something that needed outlining for you?

Or are you simply arguing nonsense?

58 posted on 04/16/2003 12:21:54 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
"there is no such animal as a flat income tax that eliminates withholding payroll taxes"

What are you talking about? Do you mean besides Steve Forbes and Dick Armey?
59 posted on 04/16/2003 12:25:34 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: JohnGalt
Uhm. You should read those better.
60 posted on 04/16/2003 12:26:58 PM PDT by Principled
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