As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban

Welcome to the club my man. A republican in the big chair is all that was desired by MANY. It matters not the policy, just that the republican makes or endorses it...

Can you say blind faith?

Democrats Are Trying to Neutralize Gun Supporters
"Democrats are beginning to understand that being anti-gun can cost gun control advocates an election, a lesson learned the hard way by Al Gore in the 2000 elections when gun owner’s opposition cost him enough votes to hand George Bush his victory. Gore they note, even lost his home state of Tennessee largely on the gun issue."

Bush: A Democrat in Republican clothing

George W. - Master of Disguise

Bush continues Clinton Agenda

Rush Limbaugh: Bush is advancing the Democrats most liberal agenda

GOP Leaders Spurn Right in Key Races

Ted, we agree then,
ban assault weapons

Have you researched this issue enough to even know who is Scott McClellan and whether or not what he says matters or is even accurate?

From another thread:

The United States "in the near future" will seek a UN resolution ending the UN-administered "oil-for-food" program and enable Iraq to sell freely on world markets, according to White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

"The president is pleased that a well-known terrorist is going to be brought to justice," McClellan told reporters travelling aboard the presidential Air Force One airplane.

Would he be traveling on Air Force One if he didn't know what he was talking about?

"we look forward to working with President Bush to reauthorize an effective law banning assault weapons."

Barf is right! See, Bush has friends. Here's one of VPC's logos.

I really couldn't say.... but I provided an answer to your question. Now will you answer the questions put to you? What "Conservative" or Constitutional acts have been committed by Bush that would merit keeping him in office by offsetting the ever-growing list of UN-Constitutional acts? (I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer, however... seeing as how you chose not to respond to any other poster who asked the same question.)

NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE YOUR GUNS

Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the Public Health and Safety Act of 1993 on behalf of myself and nine of my colleagues: Mel Reynolds, Bill Clay, Jerry Nadler, Eleanor Holmes Norton, John Lewis, Nydia Velazquez, Ron Dellums, Carrie Meek, and Alcee Hastings. This legislation, first introduced in the Senate by Senator John Chafee, would prohibit the transfer or possession of handguns and handgun ammunition, except in limited circumstances. It would go a long way toward protecting our citizens from violent crime.

The need for a ban on handguns cannot be overstated. Unlike rifles and shotguns, handguns are easily concealable. Consequently, they are the weapons of choice in most murders, accounting for the deaths of 25,000 Americans in 1991.

A 6-month grace period would be established during which time handguns could be turned in to any law enforcement agency with impunity and for reimbursement at the greater of $25 or the fair market value of the handgun . After the grace period's expiration, handguns could be turned in voluntarily with impunity from criminal prosecution, but a civil fine of $500 would be imposed.

Exemptions from the handgun ban would be permitted for Federal, State, or local government agencies, including military and law enforcement; collectors of antique firearms; federally licensed handgun sporting clubs; federally licensed professional security guard services; and federally licensed dealers, importers, or manufacturers.

The Public Health and Safety Act of 1993 represents a moderate, middle-of-the-road approach to handgun control which deserves the support of all members of Congress who want to stop gun murders now.
--- Introduction of the Public Health and Safety Act of 1993 -- Hon. Major R. Owens ( Rep. NY, Extension of Remarks - September 23, 1993. Source: The Congressional Record, 103rd Congress, 1993-1994

Mr. President, what is going on in this country? Does going to school mean exposure to handguns and to death? As you know, my position is we should ban all handguns, get rid of them, no manufacture, no sale, no importation, no transportation, no possession of a handgun . There are 66 million handguns in the United States of America today, with 2 million being added every year.
--- Senator John H. Chafee, Rhode Island (June 11, 1992, The Congressional Record, 102nd Congress, 1991-1992

Mr. speaker, we must take swift and strong action if we are to rescue the next generation from the rising of tide armed violence. That is why today I am introducing the Handgun Control Act of 1992. This legislation would outlaw the possession, importation, transfer or manufacture of a handgun except for use by public agencies, individuals who can demonstrate to their local police chief that they need a gun because of threat to their life or the life of a family member, licensed guard services, licensed pistol clubs which keep the weapons securely on premises, licensed manufacturers and licensed gun dealers.
--- Rep. Stephen J. Solarz, New York (August 12, 1992, The Congressional Record, 102nd Congress, 1991-1992, Daily Edition E2492-2493.)

Twenty years ago, I asked Richard Nixon what he thought of gun control. His on-the-record reply: 'Guns are an abomination.' Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles.
--- William Safire (originally from a New York Times column), Los Angeles Daily News, June 15, 1999, P. 15.

The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business.
--- New York Times, September 24, 1975

There is no reason for anyone in this country, for anyone except a police officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use, a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to change the Constitution.
--- Michael Gartner, former NBC News President, USA Today, January 16, 1992

The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we also have to take step at a time and go for limited access first.
--- Joyner Sims, Florida State Health Dept., Deputy Commissioner, Chicago Tribune, November 7, 1993

Gun violence won't be cured by one set of laws. It will require years of partial measures that will gradually tighten the requirements for gun ownership, and incrementally change expectations about the firepower that should be available to ordinary citizens.
--- New York Times, December 21, 1993

We are inclined to think that every firearm in the hands of anyone who is not a law enforcement officer constitutes an incitement to violence. Let's come to our senses before the whole country starts shooting itself up on all its Main Streets in a delirious kind of High Noon.
--- Washington Post, August 19, 1965

By a curiosity of evolution, every human skull harbors a prehistoric vestige: a reptilian brain. This atavism, like a hand grenade cushioned in the more civilized surrounding cortex, is the dark hive where many of mankind's primitive impulses originate. To go partners with that throwback, Americans have carried out of their own history another curiosity that evolution forgot to discard as the country changed from a sparsely populated, underpoliced agrarian society to a modern industrial civilization. That vestige is the gun -- most notoriously the handgun, an anachronistic tool still much in use.
--- Time, April 13, 1981

We are beyond the stage of restrictive licensing and uniform laws. We are at the point in time and terror when nothing short of a strong uniform policy of domestic disarmament will alleviate the danger which is crystal clear and perilously present. Let us take the guns away from the people. Exemptions should be limited to the military, the police and those licensed for good and sufficient reasons.
--- Patrick V. Murphy, New York City Police Commissioner, December 7, 1970

As you probably know by now, Time's editors, in the April 13 issue, took a strong position in support of an outright ban on handguns for private use.
--- Time Magazine, Letter to NRA, April 24, 1981

If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own hand guns...
--- Chicago Mayor Richard Daley Federal Gun Legislation Press Conference in Washington, D.C., November 13, 1998. (Cited 3/05/2000)

The League, therefore, supports a ban on the further manufacture, sale, transportation and importation for private ownership of handguns and their parts.
--- League of Women Voters of Illinois Gun Control Position-in-Brief (cited 3/05/2000). [The League of Illinois subsequently truncated their statement on the Web to the first paragraph of the just cited Web page: "The League supports legislative controls to stop the proliferation of private ownership of handguns and their irresponsible use. The League advocates restricting access to semi-automatic assault type weapons." (League of Women Voters of Illinois: 2001-2003 Positions in Brief (PDF) (cited 9/10/2002)]

No presidential candidate has yet come out for the most effective proposal to check the terror of gunfire: a ban on the general sale, manufacture and ownership of handguns as well as assault-style weapons.
--- Guns Along the Campaign Trail, Washington Post, Monday, July 19, 1999, Page A18.

Straight from the Mouth of a U.S. Government Attorney

The U.S. government argues in federal court (U.S. v. Emerson information page) that there is absolutely no right of an individual to own firearms!

Judge Garwood: "You are saying that the Second Amendment is consistent with a position that you can take guns away from the public? You can restrict ownership of rifles, pistols and shotguns from all people? Is that the position of the United States?"
Meteja (attorney for the government): "Yes"
Garwood: "Is it the position of the United States that persons who are not in the National Guard are afforded no protections under the Second Amendment?"
Meteja: "Exactly."
Meteja then said that even membership in the National Guard isn't enough to protect the private ownership of a firearm. It wouldn't protect the guns owned at the home of someone in the National Guard.
Garwood: "Membership in the National Guard isn't enough? What else is needed?"
Meteja: "The weapon in question must be used IN the National Guard."
(Excerpt of oral arguments in U.S. v. Emerson, 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, June 13, 2000)

Recognized Public Health Professionals and Sociologists

The United States should follow the example of every other industrialized country by placing substantial restrictions on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns. Semiautomatic weapons that have the capacity to fire dozens of bullets in a manner of seconds should be banned for sale to private citizens. Permits for the possession of handguns for sporting purposes should require that the guns be kept at a licensed firing range. Other than that, laws should limit handgun possession to police officers and licensed private security guards.
--- Webster, Daniel W., C. Patrick Chaulk, Stephen P. Teret, and Garen J. Wintemute, "Reducing Firearm Injuries," Issues in Science and Technology, Spring 1991, p.78.

"The last doubt as to the real intentions of at least certain influential members of the Commission, with regard to privately-owned firearms, was dispelled by our Research Director of the 'task force on gun control,' Mr. Zimring. While we were discussing the polls which ask people about their weapons, and the 'downard bias' so invariably encountered, we asked Mr. Zimring why people were so suspicious.
"He replied quite promptly, and with a frankness he will no doubt be made to regret: 'It's because we're coming to get their guns.'"
--- Huck, Susan L. M., "The Gun Grab: Watching The New Violence Commission," American Opinion, October 1968, p. 24.
More Zimring:
[T]he choice in handgun control is between two unpalatable alternatives. Gun Control in the twenty-first century will either be an expensive, unpopular, and untested attempt at bringing the U.S. handgun policy to the standard of the rest of the developed world, or it will consist of minor adjustments to current regulations that will all but guarantee persisting high rates of death. It is likely that this hard choice will amount to the definitive referendum on lethal violence in the United States.
--- Zimring, Franklin E., and Gordon Hawkings, Crime is Not the Problem: Lethal Violence in America, Oxford University Press, 1997, p.201.

More Quotes

The following quotes are excerpted from, "Under Fire: The New Consensus on the Second Amendment", by Randy E. Barnett and Don B. Kates (Originally published as 45 Emory L.J. 1139-1259, 1996).

Recommending that federal law limit ordinary citizens to "ownership [only] of sporting and hunting weapons,"
--- Taming the Gun Monster: How Far to Go, L.A. Times, Oct. 22 (editorial)

Under our plan individuals could own sporting weapons only if they had submitted to a background check and passed a firearms safety course. Other special, closely monitored exceptions could be made, such as for serious collectors.
--- Taming the Monster: The Guns Among Us, L.A. Times, Dec. 10, 1993 (editorial).

My own view on gun control is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns, would be banned.
--- Deborah Prothrow-Stith, Dean of the Harvard School of Public Health

Mutual protection should be the aim of citizens, not individual self-protection. Until we are willing to outlaw, the very existence or manufacture of civilian handguns we have no right to call ourselves citizens or consider our behavior even minimally civil.
--- Garry Wills [historian/writer], John Lennon's war, Chi. Sun-times, Dec. 12, 1980.

Wills has also written "Every civilized society must disarm its citizens against each other. Those who do not trust their own people become predators upon their own people. The sick thing is that haters of fellow Americans often think of themselves as patriots."...
--- Or Worldwide Gun Control?,Phila. Inquirer, May 17, 1981.

The only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes.
--- Sarah Brady, Jackson, Keeping the Battle Alive, Tampa Trib., Oct. 21, 1993 (interview with Sarah Brady).

Denouncing defensive gun ownership as "anarchy, not order under law--a jungle where each relies on himself for survival," and an insult to government, for "[a] state in which a citizen needs a gun to protect himself from crime has failed to perform its first purpose.
--- Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General, Crime in America 107 (1970)

A Web page by Prof. Eugene Volokh, UCLA Law School, features more quotes from gun control proponents grouped by politicians, media figures & institutions, and advocacy groups.

| Nobody Wants To Take Your Guns|

Please Marine, hold your breath a bit longer.
I'm sure the answer you seek will be answered soon with high integrity and honesty.

Thanks for the links and I am doing more research on this from the links and other sources. All I can say right now is we need to Freep him and stop the banning that may happen! I used to think until last year that the only ones that needed Freeping were the rats but since the CFR signing and the Islam is Peace BS and Trent Lott affair my new motto has been you have to hold Republicans Feet to the fire because you never know what they will do!

Its Day 3 and still no recess appointments!

"Tyranny is always better organized than freedom."
Thomas Paine

"... the strength and power of despotism consists wholly in the fear of resistance."
Thomas Paine

"Investigate the NRA with renewed vigor. Print names of those who take NRA funds. Support all causes the NRA opposes. ...The work a day guy doesn't envision total confiscation, but many with the real power to sway public opinion and effect change in America do."
T. Winship - Editor of the Boston Globe wrote this in Editor and Publisher Magazine, April 24, 1993

Source

"I don't believe anybody has a right to own any kind of a firearm. I believe in order to obtain a permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness . . . The Constitution doesn't count!"
John Silber, former chancellor of Boston University and candidate for Governor of Massachusetts. Speech before the Quequechan Club of Fall River, MA. August 16, 1990.

"You need the will to disarm the civilian population. If we can do it in Somalia, we can do it here."
Mary McGrory, Arizona Daily Star, 3/11/93 p. A16.

"We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles...that we are unable to think about reality."
Bill Clinton - USA Today, 11 March 93, pg. 2A.

"I don’t think the American people are there right now. But with more than 200 million guns in circulation, we’ve got so much more to do on this issue before we even reach that. I don’t think that’s an option now. But there are certain kinds of guns that can be banned and a lot of other reasonable regulations that can be imposed."
Bill Clinton - When asked of the possibility of a federal law banning handguns, interview in Rolling Stone magazine, 9 Dec 93, pg. 45.

"The second article of amendment (Second Amendment) to the Constitution of the United States is repealed."
Major Owens - U.S. Congressman - U.S. House Joint Resolution 438 introduced 11 March 1992 by Congressman Owens, D-NY.

The only purpose of gun registration is gun confiscation

I'm sure you're 1,000 percent correct!

I don't know if I can explain to you why people SHOULD own Assault weapons, but I can tell you that it's none of my business if you DO own one. I'd rather live in a neighborhood where every household on the block had a military style weapon with the knowledge and training on how to use it, than to live in any city in america that has restrictive hand gun laws.

Semper Fi

Mary McGrory: "You need the will to disarm the civilian population. If we can do it in Somalia, we can do it here."

But... we COULDN'T do it in Somalia. If we tried it here, then perhaps that bastard Professor de Genovoa really will get the "thousand Mogadishus" he wanted to see -- but in America, not Iraq.

Not to mention the fact that a substantial percentage of our troops would undoubtedly defect to the pro-gun side. After all, how many liberals are there in an all-volunteer military?

Random thought: Did Clinton send troops to disarm the Somalis, as a test case to see if he could pull it off here? Gotta wonder.

You think Rush is disgruntled now, almost a year after the article you've posted?

"O)k, so vote against him, genius.

Ok, I will. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still getting evil. With the current situation, the next armed revolution is just around the corner, and if the so-called conservatives are just taking us there a bit slower, I say 'Let's just get it over with and move on.'

Those who would continue to vote for their 'lesser of two evils' candidate are the definition of insanity, ie, doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

How many times do you have to hit your head against the wall?

With Bush's socialism, big government, big regulation, unparalleled spending principles and values? Yes, indeed. It's sickening. Socialists are you know.

I'd say were voting against one evil, not two. I would say we'd be voting for GOOD vs. evil. I would not in any way classify Bush as an evil man or even standing for evil principles.

You're funny. Reagan must have been a socialist, too.

Bush is a boy. Reagan is a man. I love it when you bots try to drag Reagan down the cesspool with Bush. Keep going, please.

On Spending, Bush Is No Reagan - "in light of Bush's spending it looks like it would be more accurate to compare him to Jimmy Carter than to Ronald Reagan"

Good article. Obviously, nobody's perfect. This is something he should really improve on.