As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban

Toogood Reports ^ | April 15, 2003 | By Chuck Baldwin

[Cultural Jihad]

You're no conservative, and everyone knows it.

That's what tpaine always says. Isn't that so, tpaine?

[diamond6]

I don't think the Constitution gives us unlimited rights to do anything. I think you misinterpret the Constitution. For instance, we may have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to yell, "Fire" in a public theater, when there is none. Try it sometime. You'll end up in jail. We may have freedom of religion, but if our religion called for human sacrifice, and you did it, you would be tried for murder.

[Mulder]

It ain't gonna happen Mulder. Except in pussy ass California.

Quite a few Kalifornians have simply chosen to move out of the state or move their weapons to neighboring states to avoid the actions of an illegitimate regime out there.

If that crap ever starts happening at the national level, "moving" won't be an option anymore. Things will likely come to a head, and I know which dog I'll put money on in that fight.

[Unwavering Conservative]

I will not vote for either one.

The RKBA is my litmus test on whether or not I like a politician.

Dubya is showing his true colors on the RKBA.

[July 4th]

Oh, I completely agree with you. In essence, I meant that I don't see Democrats who get hung up on voting because of one issue their candidate stands for that they don't agree with. I've seen plenty of Republicans who won't vote for someone because of a stand on one single issue...that's technically a "principled" vote, just unreasonable in the long run.

[DBrow]

"and I don't think machine guns are necessary for hunting."

The AWB has nothing to do with machine guns, you should read it sometime.

[Long Cut]

The public IS allowed to purchase machine guns. Look it up.

Subject to background checks and taxes, no FEDERAL law prohibits ownership by a civilian of a fully-automatic weapon.

However, this odious piece of legislative excrement does NOT cover Machine guns. It only covers semiauto sporters which happen to resemble military arms.

[omegatoo]

"The only way I could ever envision them being used against people is to defend the Constitution against all her enemies."

Four students shot, one killed, at New Orleans high school

O2

[sinkspur]

Did you wear your jackboots to this month's Pubbie meeting spinky?

You're no conservative, and everyone knows it.

Says you. Fred, you high-fiving a ridiculous conspiracist like Uncle Bill ought to be beneath you, but, I guess not.

It's funny to watch you old bulls in high dudgeon over something that's over eighteen months away, and may not happen anyway.

[diamond6]

I admittedly am not as knowledgeable about these weapons, as I previously stated. However, I do think that there's got to be a limit on what is allowed. Would you allow a machine gun to be purchased by anyone?

[Ramius]

would you be in favor of allowing the public to purchase machine guns?

Sure. Actually: They are legal. Machine guns aren't illegal, they are merely very heavily taxed. You could get the license to own one if you wished, though now I think the fee is now something like $600/year.

An important thing to keep in perspective here is: what weapons are normally used in street crime? The answer is usually cheap throwaway guns, not expensive guns that most enthusiasts would own.

The real threat on the streets would come from *banning* guns. This would force the drug gangbangers into the gun import trade along with the drug import trade. The international arms markets being what they are... the gangbangers would end up importing *much* more dangerous hardware than they are now using. Journalists freak out over drive-by shootings done with AK-knockoffs that are actually just semiautomatic rifles. I cannot even imagine the verbage they'd use if drive-by shooting were happening with RPG's, M-60's and Grenades. If we want to find out, then all we have to do is ban all the guns. We'll see it soon enough.

[Fred Mertz]

I thought I told you to crawl back under your rock.

[scubadave]

and I don't think machine guns are necessary for hunting.
Breaking News: Machine guns have been under very strict regulation since the 1930s and cannot be purchased at Walmart (FDR). When Feinstein or Schumer or Rather use the term "assault-weapons", it is a SUBJECTIVE term referring to guns that have high-capacity magazines or "military" appearances. Oh, and in some states (CA is one) the 15 rd magazines and certain types of shotguns are ILLEGAL. The largest percentage of handgun-related crimes are committed with handguns, including the ones that kill cops.

[Capitalism2003]

are portable machine/tommy guns really that different from assault rifles?

[woofie]

As I predicted Chuck Baldwin has written an article about his predicting Bush would support a weapon's ban

[Mulder]

I don't think the Constitution gives us unlimited rights to do anything.

The Constitution doesn't "give" us anything. It simply enumerates SOME of our Rights as Free men and women.

For instance, we may have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to yell, "Fire" in a public theater, when there is none.

First of all, we DO have the Right to Free speech. There isn't a "may" about it. Second, yelling "Fire" in a public theater is fraud, and should be dealt with as such. Finally, there is no prior restraint placed on movie goers to prevent them from yelling "fire". In other words, they aren't gagged. Those who do fraudently yell "fire" are dealt with by the law. Everyone else is left alone, as it should be.

[diamond6]

I don't believe there is any reason that machine guns should be allowed. If they are legal now, I don't understand why. However, I'd like you provide documentation to support your assertion that they are.

[toothless]

"student at JCC"

go to a real college and then we can talk.

=/

[noutopia]

Like you said !!

[Fred Mertz]

You don't own any weapons, do you?