Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Mulder
I don't think the Constitution gives us unlimited rights to do anything. I think you misinterpret the Constitution. For instance, we may have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to yell, "Fire" in a public theater, when there is none. Try it sometime. You'll end up in jail. We may have freedom of religion, but if our religion called for human sacrifice, and you did it, you would be tried for murder.
82 posted on 04/14/2003 8:28:52 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies ]


To: diamond6
I don't think the Constitution gives us unlimited rights to do anything.

The Constitution doesn't "give" us anything. It simply enumerates SOME of our Rights as Free men and women.

For instance, we may have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to yell, "Fire" in a public theater, when there is none.

First of all, we DO have the Right to Free speech. There isn't a "may" about it. Second, yelling "Fire" in a public theater is fraud, and should be dealt with as such. Finally, there is no prior restraint placed on movie goers to prevent them from yelling "fire". In other words, they aren't gagged. Those who do fraudently yell "fire" are dealt with by the law. Everyone else is left alone, as it should be.

96 posted on 04/14/2003 8:32:50 PM PDT by Mulder (No matter how paranoid you are, you're not paranoid enough)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies ]

To: diamond6
I don't think the Constitution gives us unlimited rights to do anything.

The Constitution gives us nothing. It gives the gov't certain powers and recognizes God-given, individual rights.

129 posted on 04/14/2003 8:42:17 PM PDT by cruiserman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies ]

To: diamond6
For instance, we may have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to yell, "Fire" in a public theater, when there is none.


Yep. I agree.

But guess what? You are allowed to have the equipment to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, and as long as you do not misuse that equipment you can keep the equipment. The trouble is, gun control laws are "thoughtcrime" laws. Your assumption is that if you own a certain firearm, then you are a criminal, even if you have not done anything wrong, or that the gun possesses some intrinsic will of its own which it can impose on your psyche and cause you to commit crimes. Therefore, certain guns should not be allowed because these inanimate objects "cause" crime.

In other words, if speech were controlled like most guns are, you would have your tongue cut out and only be allowed to write. Right?

Then you couldn't yell fire in a crowded theater. You couldn't call someone a racial epithet. You couldn't go into a bank and say "Stick em up".

Possession of a functional tongue, in your world, would be a crime and you would be subject to confiscation of the tongue and imprisonment because of the potential for harm that your tongue could commit. By banning tongues, you could save lives and prevent crime. Do you really need a tongue?

Kapish?
146 posted on 04/14/2003 8:49:06 PM PDT by Jesse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies ]

To: diamond6
You are exactly right. So go to the police station and let them duct tape over your mouth so that you don't yell "Fire" in a theatre, and let them cut off your arms so you don't sacrifice anyone. Thank you.
154 posted on 04/14/2003 8:51:13 PM PDT by m1911
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies ]

To: diamond6
I don't think the Constitution gives us unlimited rights to do anything. I think you misinterpret the Constitution. For instance, we may have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to yell, "Fire" in a public theater, when there is none. Try it sometime. You'll end up in jail.

Such tripe.
I hear this non-argument all the time, even from the mouths of so-called Supreme Court Justices.
It's a false analogy.

You not only have the Right to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, You have an OBLIGATION to do so, in the case of an actual fire.

What you DO have, is responsibility for your actions.
Yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre falsely may cause panic, and injury in the ensuing rush to get out.
You would be held responsible for creating said panic, and for the injuries ensued.

As to "unlimited rights":
Amendment IX RULE OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE CONSTITUTION
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X RIGHTS OF STATES UNDER CONSTITUTION
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.

The only limits on rights are those limits placed on the United States government, and the States.

The PEOPLE reserve ALL Power to themselves, except that which they "grant" to the Federal and State governments.
The PEOPLE can and may, at any time, decide to change those rights, or deny them to any governmental authority.

Please correct your assumptions.
The people of the United States do, indeed have unlimited rights.

312 posted on 04/14/2003 9:48:03 PM PDT by Drammach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies ]

To: diamond6
I don't think the Constitution gives us unlimited rights to do anything. I think you misinterpret the Constitution. For instance, we may have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to yell, "Fire" in a public theater, when there is none. Try it sometime. You'll end up in jail. We may have freedom of religion, but if our religion called for human sacrifice, and you did it, you would be tried for murder.

What if there is a fire in the theater?

What if your religion is wrongly politicized?

Can't any object be used as a murder weapon?

440 posted on 04/14/2003 10:42:09 PM PDT by aSkeptic (Hi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson