Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Doctors Shrug
Objectivist Center ^ | 3/03 | Edward L. Hudgins

Posted on 04/14/2003 1:00:14 PM PDT by RJCogburn

In her 1957 novel Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand imagined a monstrous world in which the laws and the political regime, rather than protecting productive individuals, actually make it easy and legal for the rapacious and the envious to steal from them. Not surprisingly, many producers drop out of this society. In response, politicians warn the remaining producers not to leave their jobs, claiming that it is their duty to serve society.

This nightmare scenario is now breaking out across the United States. The victims are physicians.

Faced with the high costs of malpractice insurance and bogus lawsuits, plus onerous government regulations and mountains of bureaucratic paperwork, many physicians are simply quitting their profession or giving up parts of their practices. Last year in Las Vegas, for instance, dozens of trauma surgeons resigned from hospitals over insurance costs. Other physicians are moving to states and counties that have more reasonable tort and regulatory regimes. According to the American Health Association, 27 percent of hospitals report doctors leaving or retiring, 25 percent report that it is difficult to find doctors, and 20 percent have cut back services. (The Politically Active Physicians Association in Pennsylvania maintains a Web site that lists all doctors who retire or leave the state, as well as hospital service cutbacks and closings: http://www.fightingdocs.com/main.htm.)

In an even more dramatic move, physicians are going on strike. In West Virginia, dozens of top-flight surgeons at four hospitals began a thirty-day work stoppage on January 1 because of soaring insurance costs. One of the doctors has seen his annual insurance premiums triple in seven years, although not a single suit has been filed against him. In Pennsylvania, a wider strike was threatened for the same day, but the work stoppage was averted just hours before it was scheduled to begin when Governor Ed Rendell promised to fight in the legislature for a relief package. Late in January, the Medical Society of New Jersey backed a doctors' work stoppage that could bring routine checkups and non-emergency services to a halt. And on February 3, an estimated 70 percent of that state's 22,000 physicians participated in a work stoppage that cancelled nearly all but emergency services.

A System Gone Wrong The immediate cause of physician strikes has been the skyrocketing cost of malpractice insurance. For example, a Philadelphia-area orthopedic surgeon found his annual rates jumping from $65,000 to $130,000 in two years. A Neptune, New Jersey, obstetrician-gynecologist (OBGYN) faced rates that would triple in 2003, to $170,000 annually. According to the Medical Liability Monitor, average annual rates for OBGYNs in 2002 rose 19.6 percent; those for internists increased 24.6 percent; and those for general surgeons rose 25 percent. In Detroit, in 2002, general surgeons paid on average $107,000 for insurance, while in Miami the rate was $174,000. Cleveland OBGYNs paid $156,000, while their colleagues in Miami paid $210,000. One New Jersey obstetrician faced a rate of $563,000.

Those high costs are not due to an increase in physician errors or to degeneration in surgeons' skills, contrary to the claims of lawyers, Naderites, and the Leftist media. Nor is the problem due to insurance companies' raising rates on doctors to make up for money lost in the stock market, as also claimed by these critics. Malpractice insurance rates differ greatly from state to state, yet lower stock prices affect all states and all insurance companies. Rather, the cause is a legal system that facilitates theft, government regulations, and the rise of a new predator class in the legal profession.

In a free society, the legitimate function of tort law is to allow someone to recover damages if he is harmed by the accidental or negligent behavior of another. Insurance is the principal way that responsible individuals undertake to cover the costs of their rare, harmful actions. Certainly, there are real cases of malpractice in the medical profession that should be covered by insurance of some sort.

The problem is that tort law makes it easy for professionals such as doctors to be sued. In the United States, in contrast to many other countries, losing plaintiffs do not have to cover the legal bills of defendants whom they sue unsuccessfully. There is thus little downside—and a significant upside—to filing a weak suit. Consequently, insurance companies often settle with plaintiffs even though their clients are innocent, as long as the settlement is substantially less than the projected cost of mounting a defense. According to a 1990 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that examined the treatment of more than 30,000 New York patients, in almost 20 percent of the lawsuits filed against physicians the patient's treatment had not led to any adverse consequence. Nevertheless, these baseless suits were settled for an average payment of just under $29,000, and, naturally, those costs are passed along to all of the insurance company's physician-clients, even to those who have never been sued.

Beyond the system's structural flaws lie moral flaws. In recent decades, Americans have become much less willing to bear responsibility for themselves and to accept the misfortunes of life. Even when the injuries that befall them are no one's fault, many seek someone to blame and sue. Doctors are frequently targeted in such suits because their reputation prompts juries to demand from them god-like perfection. According to the study of New York patients, in lawsuits involving a patient who had suffered an adverse consequence, that consequence was the result of substandard treatment less than 20 percent of the time. Yet, fully half of these "adverse result" cases were bought off, for an average payment of $98,000. Obviously, suing those who do their best to cure us is the ultimate act of moral ingratitude.

The combination of defective laws and immoral individuals has given rise to a new predator class: plaintiffs' lawyers. (For an in-depth treatment of this problem, see Walter K. Olson, The Rule of Lawyers, St. Martin's Press, 2003.) Rather than merely helping individuals collect just compensation for injuries, these attorneys are systematically targeting the most productive and wealthiest members of society for the same reason that bank robbers rob banks: that's where the money is. And because no objective limits exist for "pain and suffering" damages or punitive damages, a plaintiff lawyer's cut of his client's award can be huge indeed. In the years 1994 to 1996, 34 percent of malpractice awards exceeded $1 million; by 1999 to 2000, 52 percent reached that level.

The harm wrought by these predators is not confined to looting doctors. For example, in the 1990s plaintiff lawyers launched a campaign against silicone breast implants, claiming the product was defective. In the end, they extorted a $4.3 billion settlement out of manufacturer Dow Corning, with $1 billion of that sum going to the lawyers. But as Marcia Angell of the New England Journal of Medicine showed in her book Science on Trial, medical evidence did not establish a connection between the implants and the illnesses that the lawyers claimed they caused. Still, Dow Corning went bankrupt, and women who wanted reconstructive surgery after mastectomies were denied the silicone option.

Or consider this case: until the mid-1970s, the Dalkon Shield was a popular and effective form of birth control. But following a study that alleged the device increased the risk of uterine infection and other health problems, an assault led by plaintiff lawyers netted them about $1 billion in fees and drove manufacturer A.H. Robins out of business. Later studies showed the damning study failed to meet scientific standards.

Perhaps the most repulsive element of the assault on doctors is that the predatory lawyers try to give their efforts the sheen of moral superiority by claiming to help "little guys" who suffer injuries at the hands of the greedy rich. Naturally, the plaintiff bar is a major donor to the Democratic Party, which specializes in loot-the-rich rhetoric and supports laws that make possible such predation.

Government Burdens Governments contribute to the assault on physicians in ways other than the judicial system. For example, most doctors need to maintain some relationship with a hospital to practice their trade, and many are required to provide their services at certain times to patients who come in through the emergency room rather then through their own private practices. In 1986, Congress passed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA), which requires all general hospitals to have emergency rooms that provide emergency services in every specialty that practices at that hospital. These emergency rooms are required to treat all patients who come in, whether they can pay their bills or not. And it makes no provision for compensating hospitals or physicians for patients who cannot pay. As a result, border-state hospitals are being flooded with immigrants, legal and illegal, who receive expensive services and do not pay their bills. In poor neighborhoods, hospitals and doctors face similar problems. In other words, the federal government virtually forces doctors to provide services, and if the patient cannot pay—too bad! That is a backhanded form of conscription and slavery.

The federal government also hinders physicians through the sheer volume of its Medicare and Medicaid regulations. Doctors spend a great deal of time filling out paperwork, and not a few find themselves facing huge fines and even prison as the result of innocent mistakes made in trying to understand federal rate-tables and regulations. As attorney Jonathan Emord showed in his article "Murder by Medicare" (Regulation, vol. 21, no. 3; Summer 1998), many solo or smaller medical practices have folded under this regulatory burden.

In addition, the 1986 changes to the Civil False Claims Act had a particularly pernicious effect on physicians. That act allows private parties to file actions against anyone who innocently runs afoul of even the most innocuous bit of federal red tape—and to collect part of the fine. Madeleine Cosman has pointed out that physicians have been hit especially hard by bounty hunters looking to enrich themselves by stealing from the productive members of society.

The Ultimate Insult In response to government oppression, Atlas is shrugging—and the reaction from politicians has been as appalling as anything Ayn Rand predicted.

On December 20, Pennsylvania's secretary of the commonwealth, C. Michael Weaver, sent a letter to the state's physicians threatening that a work stoppage would be detrimental to "your practice…as well as your license should your conduct be found to constitute abandonment." Remember that doctors are barred from practicing without malpractice insurance, and that Pennsylvania's dysfunctional laws make it costly and difficult for physicians to acquire such insurance. Now one of that state's top politicians is maintaining that physicians are in effect feudal serfs chained to the jobs the state makes it impossible for them to perform.

Other politicians no doubt will be tempted to resort to similar strong-arm tactics. A spokesman for New Jersey governor James McGreevey, for example, called a proposed strike by doctors in his state "irresponsible." Few would deny to auto mechanics, steelworkers, or other citizens the right to strike. But doctors, precisely because their services are so valuable, are to be denied this right.

The current assault on doctors is a moral outrage. Phoenix-area general surgeon Jeff Singer observes that he and many of his colleagues became physicians because of a fascination with medicine and biology, the pleasure of dealing with people, the challenge and fulfillment of healing the sick, and the chance to open their own practice and to be their own boss. Now many doctors find themselves spending much of their time trying to get paid; keeping up with the regulations of Medicare, Medicaid, OSHA, and the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act; and trying to keep out of jail when they run afoul of such regulations. They no longer enjoy their work, and many are trying to make enough money to be able to quit their practice and retire early. In other words, the best men and women in our society are being driven out of it.

Striking Back President Bush has proposed a cap on payments for pain and suffering in malpractice suits as a means to hold down the insurance costs of physicians. Such caps make sense. According to the Medical Liability Monitor, the nineteen states with caps on non-economic damages have insurance rates that are, on average, lower than those in states without such caps. A cap on pain and suffering payments would still allow injured patients to be fully compensated for all actual harm, but awards that gratuitously drive up insurance costs would be limited.

Unquestionably, such arbitrary caps could create injustices. For example, a woman recently opted for a double mastectomy after a lab mixed up her results with another patient's. With a cap on awards for pain and suffering, this victim might not receive the large award she should undoubtedly be paid. But, if so, she would not be a victim of the arbitrary cap itself, but of the rampant subjectivism in tort law that has made such arbitrary caps necessary.

The Bush proposals also raise some serious questions about federalism. After all, the Constitution does not grant the federal government jurisdiction over tort law and insurance. These matters are traditionally reserved for state and local governments, and if states and counties lose their doctors and hospitals because of bad local laws, it is up to local voters to throw out the politicians who maintain the dysfunctional system. But President Bush is right to call attention to the serious problem of law gone bad.

It is also time for physicians to call attention to the problem and to take the moral high ground when they do so. They toil for years to acquire the skills necessary to save lives, cure diseases, and alleviate pain and suffering. Their challenging work demands the best within them—high levels of intelligence, dedication, and endurance—and it makes them prosperous, as well it should.

Physicians should reject the notion that their importance, status, or wealth binds them to serve under a legal and political regime that punishes them for their virtues. They should resolve to offer their services only in a system that grants them the freedom owed to all productive persons, that compensates patients only for acts of genuine negligence, and that protects physicians from the pseudo-judicial predation of the envious.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: atlas; ayn; objectivist; rand; shrugged; tortreform
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-49 next last
To: breakem
regarding point 1, wait for the movie.

Update: "Atlas Shrugged" Movie Project April 2, 2002

Atlas Shrugged is an epic novel, the story of a society in mysterious decline, of the heroes who fight to preserve their world, and of the secret enemy who becomes their savior. Adapting the novel for the screen has proved to be a challenge of equally epic proportions. Since the 1970s, when Ayn Rand herself took up the challenge, three distinct projects have made it as far as the contract stage. At least six complete screenplays have been drafted. But so far none have even been cast, let alone filmed and released.

The current project, a TV miniseries for Turner Network Television, recently entered an uncertain phase when its contract expired in March, and "the making of Atlas" may now continue under several different plot-lines.

The project was a three-way collaboration. John Aglialoro, CEO of UM Holdings (and a trustee of The Objectivist Center), holds the film rights on the novel. Two years ago he signed with TNT's Originals division to produce a five-hour miniseries, with Al Ruddy of the Ruddy-Morgan Organization as executive producer. By the fall of 2000, Ruddy's team had completed the screenplay; anticipating an actors' strike the following summer, they were eager to line up the director and cast and complete the filming by June of 2001.

Then entropy set in. Prospective leads either were not interested or were otherwise committed. The economy hit the skids, making the projected $25 million cost of the film seem riskier. And TNT went through a wrenching process of reorganization when its parent company, Time-Warner, merged with America Online. Two executives involved with the project left, and Variety reports that half of the TNT Originals staff has been laid off.

In quick succession last summer, TNT first cut its financial commitment to $10 million, then withdrew from the project altogether. That left the project in Ruddy's hands, with nine months left to get it off the ground. He reconceived it as a feature film rather than a TV miniseries, and condensed the script accordingly, but was not able to line up the talent or the financing by the March deadline.

What happens now? Ruddy is still working to find those missing ingredients. Aglialoro says he would consider a new contract with Ruddy, but he will also be exploring other possibilities. He agrees that a full-length feature film is now a better approach than a TV miniseries.

"I am looking at all the options in terms of how to structure the story as well as the project. After half a dozen scripts that tried to tell the whole story, it may be time to consider spinning out the core plot of the strike, which conveys Rand's essential message, and not trying to include all the subsidiary plot-lines, relationships, and consequences of the strike."

Stay tuned….

http://www.atlassociety.org/news_atlas-mini.asp

21 posted on 04/14/2003 2:09:46 PM PDT by RJCogburn (Yes, it's bold talk.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: RJCogburn
The Fox is in charge of the henhouse and has been for some time. Does anyone seriously believe that the fox is going to kill his favorite hen??? No state or federal government, comprised of lawyers, is ever going to take the needed action. It will not happen.
22 posted on 04/14/2003 2:18:39 PM PDT by cynicom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lev
2) Ayn Rand was blind to the fact that the country she came to and admired existed only because of a vision and philosophy that was based on the religion of those who formed the nation

Vision and philosophy of the founders had many sources, Christianity was one of them. But it was not the only one. Regards, Lev

Agreed, and did not mean to imply otherwise. Even Christianity in and of itself owes a huge debt to Judaism. And there were many non-religious influences such as Adam Smith et al. I've also read that the system of government was influenced by the governmental systems of the Iroquois Confederacy, as well as by the English Parliamentary system.

My point was just that Rand lumps all religious types in with the looters. Yet it was those self-same religious folks who had a lot to do with founding the one country that came the closest to meeting her ideals.

It is not my intention either to whitewash the history of Christianity and how often its adherents have failed to live up to its standards. Several of those first colonies (e.g. Quakers) were founded by Christian sects that only came to this continent fleeing viscious persecution at the hands of other Christians.

I've read here on FR that at least one colony (the Quakers?) attempted to live communally for a period before giving it up. At least they had the practical good sense to give it up.

23 posted on 04/14/2003 2:29:17 PM PDT by MalcolmS (Paging Dr. Galt, Dr. Johnathon Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: RJCogburn
In real life Atlas usually has a family to support, and most of the looters aren't quite smart enough to realize what they are doing.
24 posted on 04/14/2003 2:32:10 PM PDT by Salman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tdadams
Bump to your bump and ditto
25 posted on 04/14/2003 2:42:45 PM PDT by pankot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: RJCogburn
If I were an M.D., I'd simply require all my patients to pay their bills in cash. This would allow me to fire the entire administrative staff of my practice (no more insurance processing, accounts payable, or accounts receiveable to waste resources on) and slash prices across the board. I'd also publish a menu of services with prices, offer house calls (for colds, allergies, flu, etc.) and limit office visits to those that required office facilities. One more thing: I'd allow my patients to subscribe to my services on a monthly basis, with a regular checkup every six months and two hours of office time per quarter in exchange for a flat fee (discounted for families). This would encourage my patients to care for their own health rather than running to the doc every time somebody looks at them funny -- and in time they'd hopefuly come to see me as a Marcus-Welby-type family doctor rather than as a mere source of pills -- or as a target with deep pockets.

As for prescriptions: I'd publish a list of bus companies that serve Mexican cities, and a list of "approved" pharmacias in each city for them to use. Drug prices in the US are outrageous. Just a thought.

26 posted on 04/14/2003 2:50:42 PM PDT by B-Chan (FR Catholic)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobFromGa
re: religion. Ayn Rand made it clear the morality does not require an organized religion in order to define it. living things are either alive or dead. actions which favor continued existence and which are in the best self-interest of a man without depriving another man of the same is moral. that which is not is immoral. nothing is owed by any man to another that does not involve self-interest. and she is right because that is human nature.

Yes, Ayn Rand made it clear that organized religion is not necessary to define a morality. However, in Atlas Shrugged, she argued that religion was in fact immoral according to her philosophy.

My point is simply that objectivist philosophy did not create the country she admired and to which she immigrated. It was created by people who, for the most part, were religious (Christian--of various brands and flavors, Deist, Jewish etc.). Some were more serious about their religion than others, but for her to lump all religious types in with the looters is a bit unfair.

From a practical point of view, is there a country where an atheistic system of government has resulted in an objective (pun intended) success? Among nations which promoted atheism, such as the USSR, the lack of a restraining morality leads to about 100 million killed--far outstripping the dead in any conflict that had a religious dimension. Without relgion (indeed in many cases with it), people tend to flock toward anarchy or warlordism rather than objectivism.

I wonder if an essentially atheistic philosophy, such as objectivism, can appeal to enough people to actually have a major reforming impact on the world. It's an interesting thought to ponder.

27 posted on 04/14/2003 2:55:32 PM PDT by MalcolmS (Paging Dr. Galt, Dr. Johnathon Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Doctor Stochastic
The current Trial Lawyers's arguments (as seen and heard o TV and Radio) are that the doctor's premiums are increasing because the Evil Insurance Companies made bad stock investments and premiums are raised to cover the losses.)))

Trial lawyers think in terms of "fault", even when the fault is irrelevant to the issue. We all (OK, most of us) have lost some in the market, and that creates changes in behavior. This is true for insurers as it is for us. We can't afford some things these days.

But it doesn't occur to the Trial Lawyers that we now cannot afford *them*, and the much-vaunted "consumer policing" that supposedly they bring to the community to justify their luxurious existance.

When times were flush, we could afford a quantity of parasites. When grain and hay are cheap, we don't worry so much about worming the cattle. Now, when times are not so abundant, we have to give our cattle some worming medicine so that they can survive.

28 posted on 04/14/2003 3:02:57 PM PDT by Mamzelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan
The idea you propose is already in place in several large cities. Yearly membership ranges from $15,000 to $25,000 and up. While this a sound capitalistic business pracitce, it will also serve to bring on socialized medicine for the rest of us.
29 posted on 04/14/2003 3:03:12 PM PDT by cynicom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: cynicom
Sad but true - we are indeed our own enemy in this way.
30 posted on 04/14/2003 3:12:02 PM PDT by Amalie (Its STILL too dangerous to vote Democratic...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: RJCogburn
Thanx, something for my grandchildren to go to on a senior ticket.
31 posted on 04/14/2003 3:12:40 PM PDT by breakem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: RobFromGa
Agreed on the abridged tape. Also, the reader, Edward Hermann does a great job. He also read the audio version of John Addams by David McCullough.

I've seen an unabridged audio version of AS available... 38 cassettes! LOL!

32 posted on 04/14/2003 3:18:03 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: cynicom
This is what is called "boutique" medicine. Some of its versions show some experimental promise, and not all of them are expensive. Several are in place in Austin, Texas.
33 posted on 04/14/2003 3:39:32 PM PDT by Mamzelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: MalcolmS
My point was just that Rand lumps all religious types in with the looters. Yet it was those self-same religious folks who had a lot to do with founding the one country that came the closest to meeting her ideals.

Yes, the founders were religious to verying degrees but as far as I remember Rand were talking about 'preachers' as you said, not people who happened to be religious. Maybe at the time most of representatives of organized religion deserved to be included in the same category with looters.
I am not as militant as Rand was but if a religion puts altruism above individual freedom in its moral scale, I'm with her.
Regards,
Lev

34 posted on 04/14/2003 3:42:23 PM PDT by Lev
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan
What you suggest is fine as far as it goes, but you are not taking into account the souring costs of hospitalization. Office visits and treatments are the least expensive of this cost pyramid.

It is a very despressing thing to watch, this exploding hospitalization cost. There are many difficult dynamics at work.

For instance, I do a bit of investing in biotech. I am privy to some discussions of new medical technology--and my ears always perk up at the "Wow, how cool!" things that come down the pike. They are investment opportunities.

A really wow-cool thing that we will have shortly are new shunts used in cardiovascular surgery. They will come imbedded with a medicine which will prevent/slow the formation of tissue that heretofore has shortened the useful life of the shunt. The question--which company will produce the best shunt?

Notice that the question is not, and will never be as long as the legal situation is as it is--"What is the best shunt for the money?"

A few years back there was a big competition for a heart-attack medication, administered in the ER. One cost $3K, another cost $300. The pharm company that produced the more expensive version pulled out all the stops to establish that it was *slightly* better (and even that wasn't really established). The hospitals wanted the cheaper version--but they knew better than to go for it when the other company had created a "paper trail" of marginal superiority. They couldn't risk being dragged into court with an accusation of being a dangerous cheapskate.

Multiply this by thousands of similar circumstances in medical practice, and it just seems so hopeless to try to contain costs...

35 posted on 04/14/2003 3:51:47 PM PDT by Mamzelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Tijeras_Slim
I think that the fact that Atlas Shrugged is still quite relevant almost fifty years after being writtern shows what a firm grasp of human nature and government nature that Ayn had.
36 posted on 04/14/2003 4:01:02 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support our Troops 100%)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: RJCogburn
If American doctors go on strike, or leave medicine for other pursuits, the government will just expand the H-1B program to allow more foreign docs in. My sister-in-law works in HR for a pretty big healthcare company, and often sends her to the Philippines to recruit nurses. I've also read that it's being considered to make up for the shortage of government school teachers (yet another reason to home school!). I'm afraid the future holds much more of this, and no career field will be immune.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

37 posted on 04/14/2003 4:20:48 PM PDT by wku man
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MalcolmS
Preachers in the book were exclusivly villians.

Although her bias against religion is unmistakeable, I'm hard pressed to recall a single preacher in the cast of characters, much less "preachers" plural.

I don't see how America's religious history mitigates any of the lessons of Atlas Shrugged.

I agree there should be a condensed version. It's verbose to an almost absurd degree.

38 posted on 04/14/2003 5:19:26 PM PDT by tdadams
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: cynicom
But there is an alternative. It requires no laws, no regulations, no state or federal intervention.

Quite simply, all the doctors in the country sign a pledge that they will never provide medical treatment to a trial lawyer. Never again, no matter what the circumstances.

Sick lawyers will be offered a straight up-or-down choice: resign permanently from their parasitic "profession", or die.

39 posted on 04/14/2003 5:57:49 PM PDT by John Locke
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: B-Chan
Here in Silicon Valley, at least, some of the walk-in "corporate" medical places give you a 10 or 20% discount if you pay cash. I had crummy health insurance at a company and decided that I'd do better just paying for low-level stuff like sinus infections myself.
40 posted on 04/14/2003 6:03:59 PM PDT by jiggyboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-49 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson