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Are They Syrious?
Reason ^ | 4/14/03 | Brian Doherty

Posted on 04/14/2003 12:54:00 PM PDT by RJCogburn

The rhetorical groundwork has been laid for step two in Operation: Arab Freedom. President Bush, in his highly imitable style, began vaguely threatening Syria yesterday. "I think that we believe there are chemical weapons in Syria, for example," Bush told reporters. "And we will—each situation will require a different response and, of course, we're—first things first. We're here in Iraq now. And the second thing about Syria is that we expect cooperation. And I'm hopeful we'll receive cooperation."

President Bush might have been sincerely hopeful that Saddam Hussein would voluntarily leave Iraq as well. But the threat is out there, and the Syrians might be wondering what it is they can do to stay the mighty and vengeful hand of its new neighbor, the U.S. military. The Assad regime started with a somewhat poorly-worded denial, given their audience: "We say to him (President Bush) that Syria has no chemical weapons and that the only chemical, biological and nuclear weapons in the region are in Israel, which is threatening its neighbors and occupying their land," Syrian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Buthaina Shaabam said to Reuters.

No less an authority than the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has, on its "Terrorism: Questions and Answers" Web site, laid out the bill of particulars that makes another round of war in the Mideast seem both inevitable and justified, at least by the standards that made the Iraq war the feel-good hit of the season.

"Syria, a secular dictatorship with one of the world's worst human rights records, has been on the State Department list of countries sponsoring terrorism since the list's inception in 1979," the CFR tells us. So, a nation of oppressed people yearning for liberation, check. And with links to evil beyond its borders, check.

So, now how much would you pay to invade Syria? Another $80 billion? But that's not all!

"Syria has an active chemical weapons program, including significant reserves of the deadly nerve agent sarin," according to the CFR Web site. "Its research programs are trying to develop even more toxic nerve agents. It also has a biological weapons program, but experts say Syria is incapable of producing and 'weaponizing' large quantities of dangerous germs without substantial foreign help." No nukes, alas, but what the hell—those uranium processing tubes were fake and that didn't make conquering Iraq any less of a screaming success.

Thus, every reason why the invasion of Iraq was considered a good idea applies equally well to Syria. They have a dictator and they have weapons. So, why not invade? I expect the Bush administration itself won't be able to come up with a good answer. Here are some suggestions.

Sure, a crowd of people will dance in the streets once Assad is on the run. But that is simply not a good enough reason for the United States to wage war. Pro-war arguments sometimes seem to assume that any "good result" from a war somehow makes the costs—in life and wealth and for America's future—worth it.

But that isn't necessarily so. The American government is not a Spider-Man manqué, whose "great power comes with great responsibility" to sock it to supervillains around the globe. It is costly and dangerous to be an empire, and to be the citizen of an empire. We are mighty and wealthy enough to protect our nation and our people without projecting that might and wealth willy-nilly. While this ongoing mission to invade and occupy is somehow sold as an anti-terror measure, there is scarcely a terrorist group in existence whose grievances are not at their root about some extranational power lording it over what is seen as an occupied or subject people. It seems unlikely, then, that spreading American protectorate states throughout the Middle East could possibly help make Americans more secure from terrorism.

America has slowly (since at least the Spanish-American War) been killing that which was most lovely, unique, and irreplaceable about itself: a limited, representative government dedicated to protecting its citizens' life, liberty, and ability to pursue happiness. It was meant to be a nation where the government's mission was tightly prescribed and the people's liberty and property were theirs, a nation that could successfully live in peace—a coiled snake, yes, as per the Gadsden flag, but one that struck only when stepped on.

To some, this is less glorious or lovely than a nation waging perpetual war until evil is wiped from the earth. Some careful conservatives used to call that fool's mission "immanentizing the eschaton," and were aware that it was an evil temptation. Now, almost all who wrap themselves in the conservative mantle embrace America's seemingly never-ending mission to destroy all evil.

War is not safe, alas, for republics or other living things. Keep your eyes on Damascus.


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I don't necessarily agree with everything I post.
1 posted on 04/14/2003 12:54:00 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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2 posted on 04/14/2003 12:55:38 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: RJCogburn
Would make a great tag-line.
3 posted on 04/14/2003 12:56:32 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: RJCogburn
"I think that we believe there are chemical weapons in Syria."

With all due respect to President Bush, this has to be one of the lamest statements ever to come out of this White House.

4 posted on 04/14/2003 12:58:32 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: RJCogburn
I don't necessarily agree with everything I post.

Wow a new twist on the anti-war mantra of, "I support the troops but I am against the war."

5 posted on 04/14/2003 1:00:40 PM PDT by Dane
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To: RJCogburn
Notice that Baghdad Bob is being replaced by Damascus Dave. Of course, those are mighty shoes to fill. It is not enough just to stand up and lie to the press in plain English -- hundreds of Congressmen do that every week.

No, the bar is much higher than that. The lies have to be spectacular, obvious, and yet delivered with a straight face. And the spokesman for the dirty regime has to top his own lies, day after day after day.

So, we will see whether "a star is born in Syria."

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, now up on UPI, and FR, "I Believe" (1957-2003)

Latest book(let), "to Restore Trust in America."

6 posted on 04/14/2003 1:01:18 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ("Saddam has left the building. Heck, the building has left the building.")
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To: RJCogburn
Syria will probably put up a better defense than Iraq. It was fairly obvious that we would win in Iraq and that the challenges would come later (e.g. preventing civil war, etc). With Syria the challenges could come up front.
7 posted on 04/14/2003 1:01:52 PM PDT by palmer (ohmygod this bulldozer is like, really heavy?)
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To: RJCogburn
No, they are hughly series.
8 posted on 04/14/2003 1:03:35 PM PDT by ewing
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To: palmer
I disagree with an attack on Syria. It would upset the balance of power in the region.
9 posted on 04/14/2003 1:04:58 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: RJCogburn
There are some big differences between Syria and Iraq:

1st, Syria doesn't have squat for oil. So if we invade them we can't get paid on the back side.
2nd, while Syria probably has chemical weapons, unlike Iraq they haven't used them on anybody. Nor do they appear to have handed any over to the Hezbollah. So they are aware of consequences.
3rd, while they did invade Lebonnon they did establish some order over complete chaos.

So all in all, they are less of a threat than N. Korea. My guess is we are just going to intimidate them into line, rather than shooting it out with them.

10 posted on 04/14/2003 1:07:07 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: RJCogburn
Wilsonian liberalism has carried the day, but at least Wilson funded his war with bonds. Bush just prints more greenbacks.
11 posted on 04/14/2003 1:26:40 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: AppyPappy
What balance of power? Aside from Jordan or Turkey swooping in to occupy a few of Syria's sand dunes, there is no threat of anyone taking advantage of a defeated Syria.

There may indeed be good reasons not to get involved in another regime change venture, but balance of power considerations are fairly minor in the overall scheme of things. The broad foreign policy goal here is to enforce a new level of compliance with traditional consensus tenets of "good behavior" in international relations. Israel certainly has no territorial ambitions beyond the Golan heights.

Is there something in particular that makes you think there is a power equilibrium in Syria's part of the world that is teetering precariously on a precipice?
12 posted on 04/14/2003 1:33:57 PM PDT by yeswecan
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To: RJCogburn
immanentizing the eschaton

What in the hell does this mean? 'Eschaton' is not in the dictionary. Definition please.
13 posted on 04/14/2003 1:33:58 PM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republic of Iraq)
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To: dark_lord
Dork_lord said:

"There are some big differences between Syria and Iraq"

I agree with your assessment, and add that Syria is NOT forbidden by UN Sanctions from having chem/bio weapons unlike Iraq.

The best thing Syria could do is fess up to having them and leave it at that. Even the US has Chem/Bio weapons. We've just promised never to use them, and have been slowly destroying old stocks.

14 posted on 04/14/2003 1:35:09 PM PDT by konaice
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To: RJCogburn
> a nation that could successfully live in peace?a coiled snake, yes, as per the Gadsden flag, but one that struck only when stepped on.

This author was where on 9-11? Out to lunch? The trouble with naming your magazine Reason is that people might actually think what you write is supposed to make sense.

15 posted on 04/14/2003 1:37:56 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: konaice
I agree with your assessment, and add that Syria is NOT forbidden by UN Sanctions from having chem/bio weapons

What is a UN Sanction and why should anyone care?

16 posted on 04/14/2003 1:39:49 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Real Americans Support our Troops 100%)
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To: palmer
"Syria will probably put up a better defense than Iraq. It was fairly obvious that we would win in Iraq and that the challenges would come later (e.g. preventing civil war, etc). With Syria the challenges could come up front"

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A better defense to WHAT???

Even if the US did go after Syria, (which I doubt very strongly) Syria would be fighting the last war, and we would do something totally different. Iraq, in spite of watching the build up in plain site in Kuaite, sat there expecting either another special forces war, or a rerun of Afganistan. Neither happened, instead they got Blitzkreig
and "WW2-style Island-hopping".

So any defense Syria would launch would be out maneauvered by a totally different war style.

Their situation is extremely hopeless, and they know it. They have Turkey (no friend) to the north, and the US army to the East, and the US Navy to the West and Isreal to the south.

I predict their response over the next few weeks to be a typical Arab "waving of swords and loud snareling" but with plenty of back-channel assurances to the US that no action is necessary, and please please leave us alone.

As soon as there is any "HINT" of progress on the Palistinian issue they will even kick out Hesbola and all the other terrorist organizations. You watch and see.
17 posted on 04/14/2003 1:46:17 PM PDT by konaice
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To: yeswecan
Is there something in particular that makes you think there is a power equilibrium in Syria's part of the world that is teetering precariously on a precipice?

Syria is one of the countries bordering Israel ie supposedly keeping Israel in check according to the Arabs. They will freak if we wipe out one of Israel's neighbors. Most Arab countries had their own reason for wanting Saddam knocked off. I doubt the feel the same about Assad considering he isn't a direct threat to any of them.

Remember that we wouldn't allow the Israelis to go after Damascus because it would cause trouble with the Soviets and our "allies".

18 posted on 04/14/2003 1:47:41 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: RobFromGa
"What is a UN Sanction and why should anyone care?"

Good point ;-)

But you gotta admit, it made a good excuse to do in Iraq what desperatly needed to be done...


19 posted on 04/14/2003 1:48:20 PM PDT by konaice
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To: konaice
We are better off telling Syria what we expect privately and making sure they do it. And we can start with getting the terrorists out of Lebanon.
20 posted on 04/14/2003 1:49:25 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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