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THE FAILED EDUCATION "REFORMS" (12-year old cuffed for puddle jumping)
NewsWithViews.com ^ | April 14, 2003 | Tom DeWeese

Posted on 04/13/2003 3:23:34 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: fight_truth_decay
The only cure for public schools is their total destruction!

41 posted on 04/13/2003 4:53:09 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Jhoffa_
"He did his job," Martone said. "It's a fine line any officer in the schools walks."

And they wonder why many law abiding, upright individuals have nothing but contempt for them.

Come on. This was a man bites dog story. This police department must be unique in arresting a 12 year olds for splashing. That's why the AP picked up the story.

I agree with many of the criticisms of the educational establishment, but the arrest doesn't have much to do with them. If the arrest is a symptom of anything, it is a symptom that the US is becoming an increasing legalistic place.

One aspect of legalism I am seeing in the district where our youngest goes to school is that they really expect the teachers to follow the curriculum, mightily annoying some of the best teachers.

42 posted on 04/13/2003 4:53:15 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: nanny
Why not fix the schools?

We've been talking about doing that for how many decades now? We've been poring money on the public school system, trying all kinds of different things. If I recall correctly, about $10,000 a year is spent to "educate" a child in the D.C. school system.

This has all done no good. It has all been so much bullshit and waste. Thousands upon thousands of lives have been ruined.

I think the public schools can compete -- if they are made to. That is the one thing that has not yet been tried. Not in any serious way.

Vouchers would do that. That is why the NEA is so opposed to them. They would have to get off their butts and go to work. Like the rest of us.

If you had a kid in the public schools in D.C., you wouldn't want to wait another twenty years for the problem to get "worked out" by a bunch of bureaucrats who are mainly concerned with their health benefits and their vacation time.

You'd want it done tomorrow morning. Tuesday morning at the latest.

43 posted on 04/13/2003 4:55:17 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: A. Pole
Zero tolerance!

Zero intelligence.

44 posted on 04/13/2003 4:55:37 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: All
"The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America," should be changed to: "The Liberals Dumbing Down of America".
45 posted on 04/13/2003 4:56:48 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay (occupied)
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To: coydog
These women should realize that not every boy wants to be a 'sissy maid'. It reminds me of those professional dominatrices who specialize in 'forced feminization' of men.

Ridiculous. Kids should not be allowed to splash other kids in school, even with clean water. What was bizarre and wrong here was the punishment, not the rule. It is not being sissified to learn to be respectful of others.

46 posted on 04/13/2003 4:56:58 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Steve Eisenberg

LOL! Now that's an interesting spin to put on some moronic cop arresting 12 year olds for jumping in mud puddles.

You know, I can remember when you had to be smart and use good judgement if you wanted to be a cop.. Guess they lowered the bar since the last time I looked.

47 posted on 04/13/2003 4:57:00 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (It's called "adoption" Perhaps you've heard of it?)
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To: Steve Eisenberg
Florida is famous for this type of nonsense.
48 posted on 04/13/2003 5:00:11 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Steve Eisenberg
Where does the article say he was splashing other people?
49 posted on 04/13/2003 5:01:34 PM PDT by Krafty123
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To: nanny
Reasons why the Assocation of Classical and Christian Schools will NEVER accept vouchers or any kind of state certification for that matter:

http://www.accsedu.org/images/voucher.html
50 posted on 04/13/2003 5:02:37 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: The Other Harry
I want it tomorrow - Tuesday latest and I don't have children in DC.

But I am saying vouchers are not going to fix it - vouchers will only ruin the private schools we have. It is not being suggested and would not be implemented for the good of all children - just 'qualified' children and that does not mean middle-income, working taxpaying people. It never has and never will.

I am not willing to pour more sand down the rathole by giving vouchers to people. People in failing school districts have the same voter clout and same voices as people in any other school district. You said it yourself, money is not the issue. Why don't these parents get in there and do something.

I just want the politicians to be honest and upfront about this. I truly believe big campaign contributors all over this country have the blueprints drawn up for their 'private' schools that will be getting this voucher money.

To me, the voucher issue is no different than the 'we need more money for the schools'. Just because it comes from the Republicans doesn't make it right or good -except for them.

When the government seems to offer money -be very wary - it is never, never to your advantage - unless of course you are one of the big guys.

51 posted on 04/13/2003 5:04:19 PM PDT by nanny
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To: AriOxman
"puddle boy cuffed" in my comments."There was no kid-glove treatment for a 12-year-old boy who stomped his feet in a puddle and sprayed classmates and a school official."
52 posted on 04/13/2003 5:07:19 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay (occupied)
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To: nanny
Vouchers in Maine are used for those in rural towns without a school system.
53 posted on 04/13/2003 5:11:18 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay (occupied)
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To: ChemistCat
Pregnant fifth graders??? Things are getting worse. And I thought it was bad enough when the junior high cheerleaders brought their babies to basketball games.
54 posted on 04/13/2003 5:11:26 PM PDT by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Along with all the economic problems looming on the near horizon, we have this. There is no future for the US. Kids are being treated like criminals, taught by Nazi's, herded into schools which are nothing more than warehouses and breeding grounds for bullies and gangs and most people seem to think this is normal. Wait till this mixed-up generation (thru no fault of their own--how can they know any differently) starts having kids of their own. Pregnant by 13. No family structure. This next generation raised from day one (since the schools have daycare for these young moms) within the very school system that failed their 'parents'. Depressing.
55 posted on 04/13/2003 5:12:51 PM PDT by plusone
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To: ladylib
Reasons why the Assocation of Classical and Christian Schools will NEVER accept vouchers or any kind of state certification for that matter:

I have been trying to say that for a long time and a lot of people are just refusing to consider the possibility. Of course, in doing that, they are totally not looking at the recent history of this country.

I fear for religious institutions with the 'faith-based initiative' issue. Just think of a small clinic that begins to get government funds, goes in to debt to expand to give more care to the needy and then ---- the government decides you must give abortions or loose your funding. They have already tried to attack Catholic hospitals on this basis.

I realize a lot of middle-income people have seen so much giveaway in their lifetime, they think, finally, someone is going to give me something. They need to look at what has happened to those people who took all the government 'help'. They are not better off for it.

Vouchers and faith-based initiative is just another way for the federal government to get its foot in the door and destroy the independence of religion.

56 posted on 04/13/2003 5:15:56 PM PDT by nanny
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To: fight_truth_decay
The point where schools started breaking down was when we stopped having schools being utterly accountable to the town political authority, as in "Problem in the school? The mayor better get somebody to fix it before election day"

These days, the schools obey the state Dept of Education, which is given orders by the Federal Dept of Ed, which is run by all sorts of touchy-feelie types.

Given a Principal with full and complete hire/fire/promote authority (something the teachers unions wouldn't stand for these days) and complete accountability for results (the kids can read, write, and do math, or we get another principal), would have things cleaning up real fast

57 posted on 04/13/2003 5:16:12 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Heavily armed, easily bored, and off my medication)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Education read
58 posted on 04/13/2003 5:20:52 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: nanny
I agree with you. At one time, I was all for vouchers, but now I realize there will be too many strings attached. I would go along with it if there weren't any strings attached, but I doubt very much if that can be done.

This faith-based program is dangerous. I believe it's a ploy to get everyone under one big socialistic umbrella. "Who takes the king's gold is the king's man."
59 posted on 04/13/2003 5:22:18 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: SauronOfMordor
Parent-directed private schools or public schools that are accountable to the townspeople and only the townspeople -- no need for state aid. Keep the money in town.

How much do the feds kick in now -- 9 percent? They have an awful lot to say about local public schools and how they are to be run for that measly 9 percent. They trump the state even. And when the states accept that federal money, they realize only too late how much they are going to pay for it.

60 posted on 04/13/2003 5:28:39 PM PDT by ladylib
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