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Memory of Waco growing dimmer
San Antonio Express News ^ | 4/13/2003 | Dick J. Reavis

Posted on 04/13/2003 10:01:57 AM PDT by Alissa

Brad Borst remembers that infamous day 10 years ago in more detail than he'd like.

He was a 19-year-old construction worker, helping to build the new Denver airport. At the end of his workday, riding a bus that took crews to a parking lot, he heard co-workers chatting.

"They were kind of joking around, saying something like, 'Did you hear that they burned up those religious fanatics?'"

Borst tensed, but kept mum.

As soon as he reached his car, he switched on the radio. That's how he learned his mother was dead.

The afternoon was April 19, 1993. Hours earlier, David Koresh and 75 followers had died at their rambling wooden residence outside Waco called Mount Carmel. Some had been shot; most died from burns.

Borst's mother, Mary Jean, 49, had been a Koresh follower. Brad had been raised at Mount Carmel, but because he disagreed with doctrines taught there, had left several months earlier.

"A few weeks after I turned 18, I went to see David and told him that I was leaving," said Borst, who now works as a police officer. "He gave me $50 and got me a ride to the bus station."

Today, from his home in Colorado, Borst is petitioning Congress to investigate his mother's death, because in the aftermath of the Mount Carmel tragedy he was convinced the Koresh faithful did not kill themselves, as official reports claim.

"There's no doubt in my mind that somebody turned and started shooting, but I knew the people inside, and they wouldn't have done anything like that. David taught against suicide," he said.

Two congressional hearings and a special investigative commission have found the FBI fired no shots during the siege, and Borst is aware there's little chance of a new airing of the Waco controversy.

His desperation and suspicions are typical of survivors of Mount Carmel, but they come from a page of history that, veterans on both sides of the conflict note, rapidly is being forgotten.

51 days

About 10 miles northeast of Waco, a gravel driveway leads into a 77-acre ranch where no cattle roam. Down the driveway about 100 yards is a wooden chapel where surviving Koresh followers — "Davidians," as they are publicly known — hold weekly worship services. The chapel, built in 2000, sits over the spot where the twin front doors of Mount Carmel stood.

About 9:30 a.m. on Feb. 28, 1993, gunfire broke out at the site. Agents from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms dismounted from cattle trailers and rushed the doors, trying to serve a search warrant. Koresh and his lieutenants, the ATF believed, were hiding automatic weapons and grenades.

The raiding agents swore the first shots came from inside the building, but Mount Carmel's residents claimed the ATF had charged the doors with guns blazing.

Because lawsuits challenging the ATF raid still are making their way through the courts, the agency refuses to allow its agents to comment on the affair. But former agent Robert White, now a sheriff's deputy in Hunt County, said he's sure the Davidians fired first.

"By the time I got out of that trailer, 200 to 300 rounds had already been fired," said White, who was shot twice during the fracas. "When they told Koresh that they were federal agents, as soon as he shut the door, the shooting started."

A 45-minute gunbattle ensued, killing five Mount Carmel residents and four ATF agents. As the ATF force retreated, a team of snipers from the ATF and Texas Rangers killed a sixth Davidian in a pasture not far away.

The ATF raiders were reinforced overnight by more than 300 FBI officers, who cordoned the area around Mount Carmel and brought in armored vehicles from nearby Fort Hood. The sky over Mount Carmel was declared a no-fly zone.

Teams of negotiators talked by phone night and day with the inhabitants of Mount Carmel, including Koresh, who was severely wounded. Their chats resulted in the surrender of 37 of Mount Carmel's 120 inhabitants to the FBI.

At sunrise April 19, FBI commanders ordered tank crews to bring the standoff to an end. Their tanks fired more than 400 tear gas grenades into hallways and rooms. Tank drivers also knocked large holes in the building, to create exit routes, the agency said.

Residents answered with small arms fire.

Just after noon, Mount Carmel went ablaze. It soon was a mountain of cinders and blackened wood. Nine people, all adults, escaped the flames.

From the ruins investigators salvaged the charred remains of 76 people, 18 of them children under 10.

In the wake of the carnage, a few congressmen and pundits called for the resignation of Attorney General Janet Reno. But President Clinton defended her, declaring Koresh "killed those he controlled."

Reno and the Justice Department were not at fault, Clinton said, "because some religious fanatics murdered themselves."

But Koresh's followers denied responsibility.

"No one inside set any fires. There were no plans for suicide," declared Renos Avraam, one of the survivors of the blaze.

Nine months after the inferno, a jury trial for 11 Davidians accused in the affair opened at the federal courthouse in San Antonio. It lasted 49 days.

Three of the defendants were acquitted of all charges. None was found guilty of murder, but eight were sentenced to prison terms of five to 40 years for manslaughter and gun law violations.

Though the U.S. Supreme Court in 2000 ordered reductions in the sentences, seven of the Davidians remain in prison today.

Patriots, militias

The gunfight at Mount Carmel was preceded in August 1992 by a shootout near Ruby Ridge, Idaho. U.S. Marshal William Degan, 42, and the 13-year-old son of white separatist Randy Weaver were killed.

During the standoff that followed, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi killed Weaver's wife, Vickie.

The Ruby Ridge affair gave impetus to a gathering movement of tax protesters and gun-rights advocates who billed themselves as "Patriots." After the Mount Carmel standoff, the Patriot movement began to organize self-defense groups it called "militias."

"Remember Waco!" became the militias' rallying cry.

On April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the Mount Carmel fire, a bomb exploded at the Alfred Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168, including 19 children.

Middle East terrorists at first were suspected in the blast. But within days, two Americans who had been fringe participants in the militia movement, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were in jail, and in 1997, they were convicted in separate trials. McVeigh was executed.

While criminal cases against the pair were pending, a film, "Waco: The Rules of Engagement," drew new audiences to the Mount Carmel controversy, and new supporters for the militia cause.

The documentary, researched by Michael McNulty, a Colorado novice to filmmaking, premiered at the prestigious Sundance Festival in 1997, was nominated for an Academy Award in 1997 and won television's Emmy award for best work of investigative journalism in 1999.

"It took the story of Waco out of the hands of the government and media, and put it in the language of people," McNulty said.

At its heart was a new claim, made by former Defense Department personnel, that an aerial infrared film of Mount Carmel made during the April 19 assault showed flashes of gunfire from FBI lines.

"Rules" and two lesser-known successor movies, said Brad Borst, convinced him that his mother and other Davidians had been slain by federal agents.

Though the movies gave a second wind to Waco critics, most observers say the militia movement began to decline soon after the Oklahoma City blast. In the wake of the bombing, too, federal law enforcement officers called on militia leaders and visited their meetings.

"Law enforcement attention encouraged the militias to chose between reform and revolution," said Chip Berlet, who follows right-wing movements for Political Research Associates, a Boston think tank.

"By our reckoning, the militia movement peaked in 1996, with 856 groups. By our count, it now has only 143," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which keeps tabs on right-wing organizations.

A new approach

Despite the passing of the militia movement, the Mount Carmel affair influenced the way in which American law enforcement agencies deal with groups of determined opponents, federal law enforcers say.

The change was evident in two post-Waco standoffs: with the Montana Freemen in 1996, and, closer to home, with leaders of the Republic of Texas movement, near Fort Davis in 1997.

On March 25, 1996, FBI agents approached a farmhouse near Jordan, Mont., where a group of Freemen had gathered. The agents carried warrants for the arrest of 10 of them. When the suspects wouldn't surrender, the agents cordoned the area.

They then implemented a milder strategy than that used at Waco.

They wore civilian clothes, not combat gear, and they kept armored vehicles out of sight. In Waco, the FBI had held daily televised news conferences, a practice that, some observers believe, created public pressures to end the standoff in a dramatic way. News conferences were not a feature of the Montana siege.

Perhaps most important, the agents allowed phone calls and visits by relatives of the holed-up Freemen. Many of the relatives pleaded with their kin to surrender. At Waco, more than a dozen relatives of the residents, including Jean Holub, Koresh's paternal grandmother, were denied both phone and personal access.

On June 13 — 81 days after the Freemen standoff began — the remaining 16 holdouts surrendered. No shots were fired, no chemical weapons were used and no one died on either side of the barricades.

FBI Director Louis Freeh credited "a fundamentally different approach" by the bureau, one that, he said, "put patience above the risk of bloodshed.

"A strategy from Day 1 of patient, honest and persistent attempts at negotiation ultimately prevailed," he said.

A similar conclusion resulted from the last of the political and religious standoffs of the '90s, the May 1997 confrontation with members of the Republic of Texas movement. A low-key approach by state troopers and Texas Rangers, with advice from FBI veterans, brought quick results: Within seven days, the Republic's leaders had surrendered.

Two members fled into the wilds, one of whom was killed in an exchange of gunfire with DPS officers. Nevertheless, the operation was roundly deemed a success.

"The DPS was certainly conscious of what had happened at Waco, and was extremely interested that something like that not happen again," said Mike Cox, the agency's press spokesman at the time. "Texas showed the world how it should be done."

From the Freemen and Republic of Texas standoffs, former FBI negotiator Clint Van Zandt said, law enforcement planners learned that "the talking cure works."

"The phoenix that came out of the ashes of Waco," he said, "is a new approach."

Unchanged faith

Most people have put the Mount Carmel tragedy behind them, and even the surviving Davidians now are looking toward the future.

Larry Lynch, a former deputy who negotiated with Koresh by phone during the Feb. 28 gunfight, now is sheriff of McLennan County, whose seat is Waco. The Mount Carmel episode put Waco on the map, he said, but didn't have a lasting negative effect on the city.

"The only thing is, you don't have to say 'Texas' after you say 'Waco' anymore," he said.

Though a few believers have died, and a few have fallen away, a core of some three dozen Davidians has kept the faith, which, members say, gives them hope for the future.

"I don't anticipate our serving out the time that remains," writes Davidian prisoner Livingstone Fagan, 43, whose wife and mother died in the April 19 fire.

Fagan is the last of the Davidians slated for release, in 2007; the six others are to be released in 2006.

"There are surprises yet to reveal themselves in the prophetic timetable of events," he suggests.

The "surprises" to which he refers include the return in the sky of David Koresh, notes Clive Doyle, 62, one of those who was exonerated in the 1994 San Antonio trial.

"David predicted that he'd come back in a somewhat different form," he said, "and even though all of my life I've expected things too soon, we still believe that it won't be long."


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To: Free Vulcan
If you think that was bad, wait untill the full force of the Patriot/Homeland laws are wielded against other local terrorists. The Patriot Act II will gurantee Government success.
21 posted on 04/13/2003 11:43:19 AM PDT by duk
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To: Alissa
The facts are as follows:

Over 100 heavily armed BATF agents attacked a Church on a Sunday morning. It was occupied by men, women, teenagers, children and infants. They first shot the dogs and puppies at the front of the building. When the front door was opened by David Koresh, they began firing on the main building.

The occupants of the Church returned small arms fire in self defense.

The agents retreated, with four dead, and called in the FBI.

The FBI surrounded the site and utilized psychological warfare techiques against the occupants. After 51 days they initiated an attack by military vehicles on April 19, 1993. The vehicles injected chemical irritants into the building and fired on the building with small arms fire.

The Church building burned to the ground, killing 76 Church members. Some died by suicide. It is argued that members of the Church set the fire.

The federal government, to this day, considers itself totally innocent of any wrongdoing and argues it was justified in all of its actions at Mt. Carmel.

Question - Do you trust Federal law enforcement agencies and their personnel to do what is right?

As a side note, they now have even more powers with passage of post 9-11 laws.

22 posted on 04/13/2003 12:04:35 PM PDT by ASTM366
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To: ASTM366

Jury Foreman, Sarah Bain, Speaks

After the acquittal, the jury foreman, Sarah Bain, issued a statement saying:

"We jurors said from the beginning that we had the wrong people on trial. The ones who should have been on trial were the ones who planned the raid and insisted on going on with it even though they knew that the element of surprise had been lost." (quoted in press release issued by Mt. Carmel Independent Investigation Advocates, PO Box 9050, Waco, Texas 76714).

The inherent right to self defense, encoded in Texas law, protected the Branch Davidians right to self defense, even if it meant the death of their attackers.

 

End Note

Despite their acquittal for murder, a number of the Branch Davidians were convicted of lesser charges; some were sentenced to as much as 40 years in jail. On August 5, 1996, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the Draconian sentences.

Back: Museum Library

23 posted on 04/13/2003 12:14:28 PM PDT by Howie
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To: Alissa
Who would have thought that so much could change in 10 years?
24 posted on 04/13/2003 12:17:23 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies, he murders part of the world.)
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To: hauerf
What law did they break?

Alleged non-payment of a $200 tax. Apparently, this offence now carries the death penalty.

25 posted on 04/13/2003 12:22:33 PM PDT by zeugma (If you use microsoft products, you are feeding the beast.)
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To: Howie
Good to see that Carol is still running the WacoMuseum. I've not been to her site in a while.

Some of us will never forget Waco. Remember: all those men, women, and children were murdered in our name!

26 posted on 04/13/2003 12:30:48 PM PDT by zeugma (If you use microsoft products, you are feeding the beast.)
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To: Alissa
A good friend of mine sent me an "underground" VHS tape that is about 30 minutes long, narrated by a woman with a great voice, and it shows some incredible footage of Waco that day.

- BATF agent on a ladder shooting himself in the right leg just as he tries to take his holstered weapon while on the ladder.

- 4 BATF agents taking the same ladder next, 3 of the agents entering a second floor draped window, then the 4th agent being shot at with several rounds (not hit) from through the roof, and in response he sticks his weapon into the window, and sweep sprays the same room the 3 agents had just entered only seconds earlier (these agents who were claimed to have been killed by waco residents)

- Agents walking calming in the so-called line of return fire, while other BATF agents are spraying the compound with gun fire.

- A tank crashing several feet into the side wall of the compound, then seconds later, withdrawing with the tip of the metal barrel burning - as if it had just sprayed a flamable compound. The building fire started in this zone only moments later.

There are about 20 other such instances, all quite suspect.

After you see this tape, you cannot help but think that Reno had it in for these people.
27 posted on 04/13/2003 12:30:56 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: duk
These arrogant little snots act as if Bush will be President forever, and we will never have Hillary or like clone in office again. What are they going to do when the govt doesn't agree with their version of the universe, and doesn't respect their line in the sand, and calls THEM the terrorist (or religious wacko)?

No one will be there to come aid, that is for sure.

28 posted on 04/13/2003 12:34:16 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: _Jim
Surely you gest ... most work attepmting to 'spin' it any other way is seriously flawed by the film-making hucksters who seek fame at the cost of others ...

What does "gest" mean? Is that English?

29 posted on 04/13/2003 12:38:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Symix
And mine boils at the thought that the FBI, Reno and the Clintons were and still are to blame and never to be prosecuted for the massacre of those innocents.
30 posted on 04/13/2003 12:47:47 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: _Jim
_Jim!!!!! _I _missed _you!!! _Not!

How is everything at the FBI these days, or whatever government agency you crawled into?
31 posted on 04/13/2003 12:48:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: ASTM366
I'm amazed at the "New Democrats," joined with some "Compassionate Conservatives," who seem to approve of the mass-lynching of religious heretics. Only nowadays they use the word "fanatics" instead of "heretics," and we are supposed to think that it is open season on such people and that that is the way it is supposed to be. I cannot identify with religious cults that ignore the plain teachings of Jesus and yet weave intricate doctrines out of thin air. And the more obscure something is, the more you are supposed to believe it. Such fervor is foreign to me and I am against it. So I am writing as an opponent to such cults when I say the government has no business persecuting them. The authorities involved (on up to President Clinton and members of Congress who covered it up) share most of the blame for what happened, and the fact that they were terribly incompetent does not absolve them of their criminality.
32 posted on 04/13/2003 1:12:56 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I think _Jim is retired. That is what he claimed when he used to post on talk.politics.guns defending whatever fedgoon had killed a nursing mother, stomped someone's cat to death or prosecuted a citizen for possession of fender washers.
33 posted on 04/13/2003 1:51:31 PM PDT by Rifleman
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To: _Jim
I have two questions for you, _Jim.

1) Have you seen the FLIR footage with your own eys?

2) What is _YOUR personal explanation for the "flashes?"

I am probably giving _you too much credit for independent, rational thought by even asking these questions, but hey, just call me an optimist.
34 posted on 04/13/2003 1:54:32 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: _Jim
I have two questions for you, _Jim.

1) Have you seen the FLIR footage with your own eyes?

2) What is _YOUR personal explanation for the "flashes?"

I am probably giving _you too much credit for independent, rational thought by even asking these questions, but hey, just call me an optimist.
35 posted on 04/13/2003 1:54:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Rifleman
I think _Jim is retired.

Probably took an early disability pension.

36 posted on 04/13/2003 1:57:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Free Vulcan
I don't want to rain on your parade,but, I don't trust Bush anymore than Clinton. From the time I saw his first Presidential dabate I did not trust him. He is a COMPANY MAN, and will follow the NWO all the way. How else to explain the Patriot/Homeland laws which he eagerly signed into law. His AG (Ashcroft) had secretly drafted and distributed to select members of Congress Patriot II.

His claims of being a Christian don't hold water when he goes to a Mosque and proclaims the Koran the "holy word of God". How about his visit to a Shinto shrine, while the PM of Japan sat in his car out in the parking lot. What about appointing gay activists to prominent posts.

All this to say, don't trust the government. Our forefathers didn't, that is why they broke up the system into three parts, and made it as small as possible!!
37 posted on 04/13/2003 2:05:54 PM PDT by duk
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To: Alissa
Amazing how Janet Reno can kill more Americans over the course of two months than Saddam Hussein. And the woman has the nerve to run for governor.
38 posted on 04/13/2003 2:10:47 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Where liberals lead, misery follows.)
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To: Alissa
Ten year bump.
My tag-line retains it's truth.
39 posted on 04/13/2003 2:13:15 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: HighWheeler
Was it Reno, or was it Hillary? It would be good to have some light shed on Hillary's part in the Waco events before she runs for President.
40 posted on 04/13/2003 3:15:01 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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