Memory of Waco growing dimmer

San Antonio Express News ^ | 4/13/2003 | Dick J. Reavis

[duk]

If you think that was bad, wait untill the full force of the Patriot/Homeland laws are wielded against other local terrorists. The Patriot Act II will gurantee Government success.

[ASTM366]

The facts are as follows:

Over 100 heavily armed BATF agents attacked a Church on a Sunday morning. It was occupied by men, women, teenagers, children and infants. They first shot the dogs and puppies at the front of the building. When the front door was opened by David Koresh, they began firing on the main building.

The occupants of the Church returned small arms fire in self defense.

The agents retreated, with four dead, and called in the FBI.

The FBI surrounded the site and utilized psychological warfare techiques against the occupants. After 51 days they initiated an attack by military vehicles on April 19, 1993. The vehicles injected chemical irritants into the building and fired on the building with small arms fire.

The Church building burned to the ground, killing 76 Church members. Some died by suicide. It is argued that members of the Church set the fire.

The federal government, to this day, considers itself totally innocent of any wrongdoing and argues it was justified in all of its actions at Mt. Carmel.

Question - Do you trust Federal law enforcement agencies and their personnel to do what is right?

As a side note, they now have even more powers with passage of post 9-11 laws.

[Howie]

Jury Foreman, Sarah Bain, Speaks

After the acquittal, the jury foreman, Sarah Bain, issued a statement saying:

"We jurors said from the beginning that we had the wrong people on trial. The ones who should have been on trial were the ones who planned the raid and insisted on going on with it even though they knew that the element of surprise had been lost." (quoted in press release issued by Mt. Carmel Independent Investigation Advocates, PO Box 9050, Waco, Texas 76714).

The inherent right to self defense, encoded in Texas law, protected the Branch Davidians right to self defense, even if it meant the death of their attackers.

 

End Note

Despite their acquittal for murder, a number of the Branch Davidians were convicted of lesser charges; some were sentenced to as much as 40 years in jail. On August 5, 1996, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the Draconian sentences.

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[Search4Truth]

Who would have thought that so much could change in 10 years?

[zeugma]

What law did they break?

Alleged non-payment of a $200 tax. Apparently, this offence now carries the death penalty.

[zeugma]

Good to see that Carol is still running the WacoMuseum. I've not been to her site in a while.

Some of us will never forget Waco. Remember: all those men, women, and children were murdered in our name!

[HighWheeler]

A good friend of mine sent me an "underground" VHS tape that is about 30 minutes long, narrated by a woman with a great voice, and it shows some incredible footage of Waco that day.

- BATF agent on a ladder shooting himself in the right leg just as he tries to take his holstered weapon while on the ladder.

- 4 BATF agents taking the same ladder next, 3 of the agents entering a second floor draped window, then the 4th agent being shot at with several rounds (not hit) from through the roof, and in response he sticks his weapon into the window, and sweep sprays the same room the 3 agents had just entered only seconds earlier (these agents who were claimed to have been killed by waco residents)

- Agents walking calming in the so-called line of return fire, while other BATF agents are spraying the compound with gun fire.

- A tank crashing several feet into the side wall of the compound, then seconds later, withdrawing with the tip of the metal barrel burning - as if it had just sprayed a flamable compound. The building fire started in this zone only moments later.

There are about 20 other such instances, all quite suspect.

After you see this tape, you cannot help but think that Reno had it in for these people.

[Free Vulcan]

These arrogant little snots act as if Bush will be President forever, and we will never have Hillary or like clone in office again. What are they going to do when the govt doesn't agree with their version of the universe, and doesn't respect their line in the sand, and calls THEM the terrorist (or religious wacko)?

No one will be there to come aid, that is for sure.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Surely you gest ... most work attepmting to 'spin' it any other way is seriously flawed by the film-making hucksters who seek fame at the cost of others ...

What does "gest" mean? Is that English?

[Paulus Invictus]

And mine boils at the thought that the FBI, Reno and the Clintons were and still are to blame and never to be prosecuted for the massacre of those innocents.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

_Jim!!!!! _I _missed _you!!! _Not!

How is everything at the FBI these days, or whatever government agency you crawled into?

[Wilhelm Tell]

I'm amazed at the "New Democrats," joined with some "Compassionate Conservatives," who seem to approve of the mass-lynching of religious heretics. Only nowadays they use the word "fanatics" instead of "heretics," and we are supposed to think that it is open season on such people and that that is the way it is supposed to be. I cannot identify with religious cults that ignore the plain teachings of Jesus and yet weave intricate doctrines out of thin air. And the more obscure something is, the more you are supposed to believe it. Such fervor is foreign to me and I am against it. So I am writing as an opponent to such cults when I say the government has no business persecuting them. The authorities involved (on up to President Clinton and members of Congress who covered it up) share most of the blame for what happened, and the fact that they were terribly incompetent does not absolve them of their criminality.

[Rifleman]

I think _Jim is retired. That is what he claimed when he used to post on talk.politics.guns defending whatever fedgoon had killed a nursing mother, stomped someone's cat to death or prosecuted a citizen for possession of fender washers.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I have two questions for you, _Jim.

1) Have you seen the FLIR footage with your own eys?

2) What is _YOUR personal explanation for the "flashes?"

I am probably giving _you too much credit for independent, rational thought by even asking these questions, but hey, just call me an optimist.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I have two questions for you, _Jim.

1) Have you seen the FLIR footage with your own eyes?

2) What is _YOUR personal explanation for the "flashes?"

I am probably giving _you too much credit for independent, rational thought by even asking these questions, but hey, just call me an optimist.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I think _Jim is retired.

Probably took an early disability pension.

[duk]

I don't want to rain on your parade,but, I don't trust Bush anymore than Clinton. From the time I saw his first Presidential dabate I did not trust him. He is a COMPANY MAN, and will follow the NWO all the way. How else to explain the Patriot/Homeland laws which he eagerly signed into law. His AG (Ashcroft) had secretly drafted and distributed to select members of Congress Patriot II.

His claims of being a Christian don't hold water when he goes to a Mosque and proclaims the Koran the "holy word of God". How about his visit to a Shinto shrine, while the PM of Japan sat in his car out in the parking lot. What about appointing gay activists to prominent posts.

All this to say, don't trust the government. Our forefathers didn't, that is why they broke up the system into three parts, and made it as small as possible!!

[Tall_Texan]

Amazing how Janet Reno can kill more Americans over the course of two months than Saddam Hussein. And the woman has the nerve to run for governor.

[brityank]

Ten year bump.
My tag-line retains it's truth.

[Verginius Rufus]

Was it Reno, or was it Hillary? It would be good to have some light shed on Hillary's part in the Waco events before she runs for President.