[Celtjew Libertarian]

So, without Jews we are all animals lost in the modern world and unable to create civilization or technology?

I read it slightly different. When the enlightenment and industrial revolution came, it was necessitated by a tolerance that allowed Jews to become active in society. Because Jews had developed separately with a high level of they were in a good position to rise to prominence at that point.

The rejection of the Jews brings disaster, not because it rejects the Jews, but because it is an indicator of a way of thinking that is inimical to a thriving society. Treatment of Jews is a signal, not because of anything inherent to the Jews, but because it signals a shift in mindset.

Look at the nation of Israel. It is one of the most socialist countries on the planet. It's only technological innovations come in the area of defense.

And agriculture. Especially with regard to irrigation and dealing with harsh environments.

Imminent destruction does seem to sharpen the mind.

I'd say imminent destruction sharpens the mind along those lines that have to do with survival.

John Adams wrote: "I study war and politics in order to give my children an opportunity to study economics and commerce and that will enable their children to study music and art." Israel has never had the opportunity to get beyond that first sentence.

[wardaddy]

Treatment of Jews is a signal, not because of anything inherent to the Jews, but because it signals a shift in mindset.

That's very insightful but do you think that applies to strictly "Christian" nations or others.... Others meaning Islamic since I'm not aware of Jews gaining any footholds in any other nations outside of predominately Christian or Islamic are you? (Israel notwhithstanding) I think the best countries to study the rise and fall and rise and fall and so forth of Jewish minorites are Hungary, Russia, and Poland. It has been a rough ride in those nations and many Jews made the mistake of hitching their wagon to the wrong horse. Do you think it's coincidence that Jews have fared better in Anglo nations including of course here? I don't. I did not mention the modern Jewish experience in Muslim nations which has been disastrous recently with the exceptions of Turkey and Morroco...which are both shining examples of tolerance only in comparison to their tribal neighbors. Germany...that is a case study all by itself. Regards.

[okie01]

"Treatment of Jews is a signal, not because of anything inherent to the Jews, but because it signals a shift in mindset."

The Jews are the canaries in the societal coal mine.

And, in Europe right now, the air is getting pretty foul...