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F-14 Tomcat is workhorse of air missions, for now
Chicago Tribune ^
| Apr. 11, 2003
| JAMES JANEGA
Posted on 04/11/2003 9:02:29 AM PDT by LSUfan
Edited on 07/02/2004 5:48:13 PM PDT by Admin Moderator.
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ABOARD THE USS CONSTELLATION -(KRT) - Sleek and projecting power even though still, the USS Constellation's F-14 Tomcats dominate the carrier's flight deck. Originally designed to foil Soviet fighters during the Cold War, these exponents of Navy air power are probably seeing their last service in this one.
Instead of the dog-fighting missions for which they were created, the Tomcats have been retooled into part bomber, part forward air observer and part airborne traffic controller for other planes attacking ground targets.
In coming years, the Navy plans to phase out the Tomcat in favor of the newer, easier to maintain F/A-18 Super Hornet. But for the time being, the F-14 remains a workhorse in the complex air missions supporting coalition ground troops in Iraq.
"I would characterize the Tomcat as a late-1960s muscle car," said Capt. Mark Fox, a Tomcat pilot who shot down the first Iraqi MiG during the first gulf war in 1991.
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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: avionics; f14; f14tomcat; navy; sexybeast; tomcat; ussconstellation; weaponssystem
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Every time I read an article about the F-14 that mentions the Super Hornet, I cringe. It seems the only advantage the Super Hornet has over the F-14 is its avionics package.
The Tomcat is faster and goes further, which it means it can carry a larger practical weapons load.
We haven't faced real air opposition in a long time and perhaps we never will, but what if we have to face fairly well-trained Red Chinese pilots flying Su-27s or Su-30s down the road? My guess is we'll be missing the F-14 then, because the Super Hornet is not a great dogfighter and can't loiter as long as a Tomcat.
And we also managed to let the Phoenix missile capability fade away by never updating it and then making the F-14 an A-6E replacement. We may wish we had a modern Tomcat and up-to date AIM-54 if and when we have to face the Iranians or the Chicoms. They both are armed with the M2.5+ SS-N-25 Sunburn anti-ship missile.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:03:42 AM PDT
by
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To: LSUfan
How does the JSF stack up? I think the Navy and Marine Corps have ordered a bunch of 'em, and it would be interesting to hear your take on how the Navy's air capabilities will change.
FWIW, a friend of mine from college has flown both, and last time I spoke with him, he said he "loves" flying the Super Hornet. But that doesn't say anything about the capabilities.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:07:33 AM PDT
by
Rammer
To: LSUfan
I agree. When we lose the capability to launch the Phoenix missile, we will lose a very big advantage as it allows the pilot to launch on a bogie from over 100 miles away, perhaps even before the enemy bomber is within range of our ships.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:08:17 AM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: LSUfan; hchutch
Every time I read an article about the F-14 that mentions the Super Hornet, I cringe. It seems the only advantage the Super Hornet has over the F-14 is its avionics package.And maintainability, and readiness rates.
A fabulously capable airplane does you no good if it's stuck in the hangar bay awaiting parts.
The Tomcat is faster
This ain't a race.
and goes further, which it means it can carry a larger practical weapons load.
The Navy's out of the deep strike business because they bet on the wrong horse in 1984. Go read The $5 Billion Misunderstanding.
We haven't faced real air opposition in a long time and perhaps we never will, but what if we have to face fairly well-trained Red Chinese pilots flying Su-27s or Su-30s down the road?
Let me know when Chinese pilots actually get to the level of "well-trained."
Wong Wei was NOT unexceptional.
My guess is we'll be missing the F-14 then, because the Super Hornet is not a great dogfighter and can't loiter as long as a Tomcat.
In what way is the Super Hornet not a great dogfighter?
The Tomcat has some serious dogfighting issues. At anything above a modest AOA, the pilot isn't so much flying the airplane as he's flying the engines in order to avoid compressor stalls.
And we also managed to let the Phoenix missile capability fade away by never updating it and then making the F-14 an A-6E replacement.
Get over it--the world changed.
We may wish we had a modern Tomcat and up-to date AIM-54 if and when we have to face the Iranians or the Chicoms. They both are armed with the M2.5+ SS-N-25 Sunburn anti-ship missile.
Which the Phoenix would be absolutely worthless against. It was designed to shoot the archers, not the arrows.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:08:55 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: LSUfan
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:10:54 AM PDT
by
pabianice
To: LSUfan
I bet the F-22 will stand up.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:11:29 AM PDT
by
finnman69
(!)
To: pabianice
I feel the need, the need for speed
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:12:47 AM PDT
by
bmwcyle
(Semper Gumby - Always flexible)
To: finnman69
I bet the F-22 will stand up. I'm sure, but we're talking carrier-based aircraft, which the F-22 ain't.
To: Charles Martel
True, have to wait and see on the carrier based JSF.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:18:36 AM PDT
by
finnman69
(!)
To: Poohbah
The Tomcat has some serious dogfighting issues. At anything above a modest AOA, the pilot isn't so much flying the airplane as he's flying the engines in order to avoid compressor stalls. That concern pretty much eliminated when going from the P&W TF30's (A model) to the GE F110's (B/D models).
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:20:57 AM PDT
by
quark
To: LSUfan
There were similar misgivings during Vietnam when the Navy replace the F8 Crusader with the F4 Phantom. Pilots will always have a warm spot in their hearts for certain aircraft, but the key is to get the most from what you got.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:24:49 AM PDT
by
Tallguy
To: quark
IIRC, the B/D program got clobbered way back when.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:25:18 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: Poohbah
Best option would be for the Navy to get onto the FB-22 project and ditch JSF.
In the interim, getting more F-14Ds as soon as possible.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:25:37 AM PDT
by
hchutch
(America came, America saw, America liberated; as for those who hate us, Oderint dum Metuant)
To: pabianice
Aye, it's a sexy beast!
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:26:22 AM PDT
by
rabidralph
(Hey, Saddumb, All Your Base Are Belong To Us)
To: hchutch
Can't build F-14Ds for a long time, yet.
The military doesn't pay for the tooling to be stored, so it gets destroyed.
I don't think the FB-22 is going to be even remotely carrier suitable.
Bottom line: the Navy doesn't do deep strikes anymore. It's really, with that few aircraft, a nuclear mission anyway.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:27:30 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: Poohbah
What a mess.
This si not good. The Iranians have Backfires according to some of my sources, plus they have Fencers. We need the ability to fight the outer air battle.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:30:43 AM PDT
by
hchutch
(America came, America saw, America liberated; as for those who hate us, Oderint dum Metuant)
To: hchutch
This si not good. The Iranians have Backfires according to some of my sources, plus they have Fencers. We need the ability to fight the outer air battle.If you look at single-dimensional ops, yeah, you need it.
If you look at joint ops...the "Outer Air Battle" consists of some boys from Whiteman cratering the runways and bombing their HASs, and Navy TLAMs smashing their fuel depots, barracks, and maintenance facilities.
How you win the air battle: you kill enemy planes by the dozen on the ground, not one at a time at 30,000 feet.
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posted on
04/11/2003 9:33:49 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: finnman69
have to wait and see on the carrier based JSF. From certain angles, the JSF looks quite nice:

However, the military is pushing the thing as a replacement for everything from the F-14 to the A-10. They may as well announce that it is capable of standard takeoff-to-orbit, as well. Jack of all trades, master of none.
To: Poohbah
How you win the air battle: you kill enemy planes by the dozen on the ground, not one at a time at 30,000 feet. Only if the enemy accomodates us, of course. We still need fast Navy aircraft carrying powerful long-range missiles, in the event that we don't catch those aircraft on the ground.
Do we have anything else that can carry the Phoenix, or any other missile that matches the Phoenix for range?
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