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Oil industry suppressed plans for 200-mpg car
TimesOnline ^ | March 31, 2003 | Simon de Bruxelles

Posted on 04/09/2003 1:08:01 PM PDT by Nov3

THE original blueprints for a device that could have revolutionised the motor car have been discovered in the secret compartment of a tool box.

A carburettor that would allow a car to travel 200 miles on a gallon of fuel caused oil stocks to crash when it was announced by its Canadian inventor Charles Nelson Pogue in the 1930s.

But the carburettor was never produced and, mysteriously, Pogue went overnight from impoverished inventor to the manager of a successful factory making oil filters for the motor industry. Ever since, suspicion has lingered that oil companies and car manufacturers colluded to bury Pogue’s invention.

Now a retired Cornish mechanic has enlisted the help of the University of Plymouth to rebuild Pogue’s revolutionary carburettor, known as the Winnipeg, from blueprints he found hidden beneath a sheet of plywood in the box.

The controversial plans once caused panic among oil companies and rocked the Toronto Stock Exchange when tests carried out on the carburettor in the 1930s proved that it worked.

Patrick Davies, 72, from St Austell, had owned the tool box for 40 years but only recently decided to clean it out. As well as drawings of the carburettor, the envelope contained two pages of plans, three test reports and six pages of notes written by Pogue.

They included a report of a test that Pogue had done on his lawnmower, which showed that he had managed to make the engine run for seven days on a quart (just under a litre) of petrol.

The documents also described how the machine worked by turning petrol into a vapour before it entered the cylinder chamber, reducing the amount of fuel needed for combustion.

Mr Davies has had the patent number on the plans authenticated, proving that they are genuine documents.

He said: “I couldn’t believe what I saw. I used to be a motor mechanic and I knew this was something else altogether. I was given the tool box by a friend after I helped to paint her house in 1964. Her husband had spent a lot of time in Canada.”

The announcement of Pogue’s invention caused enormous excitement in the American motor industry in 1933, when he drove 200 miles on one gallon of fuel in a Ford V8. However, the Winnipeg was never manufactured commercially and after 1936 it disappeared altogether amid allegations of a political cover-up.

Dr Murray Bell, of the University of Plymouth’s department of mechanical and marine engineering, said he would consider trying to build a model of the Pogue carburettor.

Engineers who have tried in the past to build a carburettor using Pogue’s theories have found the results less than satisfactory. Charles Friend, of Canada’s National Research Council, told Marketplace, a consumer affairs programme: “You can get fantastic mileage if you’re prepared to de-rate the vehicle to a point where, for example, it might take you ten minutes to accelerate from 0 to 30 miles an hour.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: automobiles; conspiracy; oilmarkets; tinfoil
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OK conspiracy freaks here it is again. A thermodynamic analysis of the Otto cycle says this is impossible but every time I see this come up it piques my attention!
1 posted on 04/09/2003 1:08:01 PM PDT by Nov3
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2 posted on 04/09/2003 1:08:57 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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Yeah, this is the same type of moronic junk-science that says depleted uranium is radioactive. Sure it is, in multi-tonne quantities... morons, all of them.
3 posted on 04/09/2003 1:09:49 PM PDT by dagar
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OK conspiracy freaks here it is again. A thermodynamic analysis of the Otto cycle says this is impossible but every time I see this come up it piques my attention!

And here's why no one picked up on it:

Engineers who have tried in the past to build a carburettor using Pogue’s theories have found the results less than satisfactory. Charles Friend, of Canada’s National Research Council, told Marketplace, a consumer affairs programme: “You can get fantastic mileage if you’re prepared to de-rate the vehicle to a point where, for example, it might take you ten minutes to accelerate from 0 to 30 miles an hour.”

4 posted on 04/09/2003 1:10:16 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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Engineers who have tried in the past to build a carburettor using Pogue’s theories have found the results less than satisfactory. Charles Friend, of Canada’s National Research Council, told Marketplace, a consumer affairs programme: “You can get fantastic mileage if you’re prepared to de-rate the vehicle to a point where, for example, it might take you ten minutes to accelerate from 0 to 30 miles an hour.”

Odd how this paragraph is saved till the end, after all the conspiracy stuff.

5 posted on 04/09/2003 1:11:04 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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Doh!
6 posted on 04/09/2003 1:11:42 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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I found plans for an anti-gravity device in my grandfather's underwear drawer after he passed away. I built it in my backyard and it worked perfectly.

Unfortunately, I left the plans on top of the device and watched them both float off.

8 posted on 04/09/2003 1:12:36 PM PDT by dead
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yeah. in the same toolbox was the cure for cancer suppressed by the american cancer society.

dep

9 posted on 04/09/2003 1:12:45 PM PDT by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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Charles Nelson P{ogue took credit for the invention, but it was actually his wife who found the carburettor in the wrckage of a crashed alien spaceship. And it requires a special brand of gasoline, refined only when the moon is full, and the car containing the device must always be parked in a direction facing Roswell, NM.

Other than that, the article is entirely accurate, or so the voices being beamed into my head tell me. I just wish they'd shut up for a while so I could sleep.

10 posted on 04/09/2003 1:12:59 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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Well, it would be a distator to car makers if 1. It was cheaper to operate their product and more people could afford it and those who alread could afford it could do so at a higher price and 2. The enviornmentalist rationale for a substantial portion of auto industry regulation were eliminiated. Wouldn't it?
11 posted on 04/09/2003 1:13:00 PM PDT by Boston Capitalist
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Silly
12 posted on 04/09/2003 1:13:07 PM PDT by RichardW
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revolutionary carburettor, known as the Winnipeg

A day late and a dollar short - we've moved onto fuel injection coupled with superchargers and turbochargers and not to mention VAST improvements in diesel technology even ...

13 posted on 04/09/2003 1:13:37 PM PDT by _Jim ( // NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR \\)
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Only problem with this car is that you have to wear a tinfoil hat when you drive it.
14 posted on 04/09/2003 1:14:09 PM PDT by ladtx ("...the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country." D. MacArthur)
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If such a device was possible to build "Smokey Yunick" would have built it before his death.
15 posted on 04/09/2003 1:14:40 PM PDT by Uncle George
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Mr Davies has had the patent number on the plans authenticated, proving that they are genuine documents.

If there is a patent number, then there is a patent. And patents are public documents. Thus, the day that patent issued, is was no longer a supressible secret. And the day that patent expired (in the 40s or 50s) it was public domain for anyone to implement.

Which all suggests quite compellingly that the whole thing is a bunch of hooey. Any decent journalist would inquire as to what the patent number is.

16 posted on 04/09/2003 1:15:08 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("Democracy, whiskey! And sexy!")
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http://www.starrotor.com/indexflash.htm


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The StarRotor engine uses the Brayton cycle, the same thermodynamic cycle employed by jet engines. Ambient air is compressed to about 6 atm, and then is preheated by a heat exchanger. The preheated compressed air is further heated by combusting fuel. The hot, high-pressure gas expands, thereby doing work. In the heat exchanger, thermal energy is recovered from the exhaust gases. The compressor and expander use a gerotor, a positive-displacement device that can process the large volumes of gas required by Brayton cycle engines.

17 posted on 04/09/2003 1:16:02 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ( clinton is a raping traitor!)
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If cars got as much mileage as this old urban legend, they would produce 200 gallons of gasoline per mile driven.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.php
18 posted on 04/09/2003 1:16:15 PM PDT by happydogdesign
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Well, it would be a distator

Is a distator kinda like a yam?

19 posted on 04/09/2003 1:16:33 PM PDT by SubSailor
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I heard about that! It was a low maintance car too. All you had to do was replace the rubber bands when they break. :)
20 posted on 04/09/2003 1:17:17 PM PDT by John123
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